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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 21:16:04 GMT
They could easily go down if they get their managerial appointment wrong. Get somebody not up to the job in and they are going to surely take to at least February or so before they swing the axe a second time.
Allerdyce to the end of the season is probably something their deluded fan base will be up in arms about, but given their start I don’t think they have much choice other than to do that and line somebody else up ready for the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 21:24:25 GMT
Amazing comeback What is it with Prem footballers that it takes being humiliated in a match like Everton were tonight, or the manager being sacked, or a half-time hair-dryer session, that they can suddenly get their fingers out and start playing to their true potential. They definitely have some psychological defect. New manager syndrome. They can go back to being truly appalling once DU/whoever is appointed.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 6, 2017 9:15:14 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Nov 6, 2017 11:34:33 GMT
Wouldn't want him here but would expect him to do enough to get Everton safe fairly quickly
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 6, 2017 12:41:06 GMT
Just remember who told you first on October 15th 😉
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 6, 2017 12:48:16 GMT
Just remember who told you first on October 15th 😉 Maybe you can change your avatar to an actual blind squirrel?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 13, 2017 19:01:44 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 13, 2017 19:05:50 GMT
Has that come out of left field. I thought the marble gargler was the man!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 13, 2017 19:07:45 GMT
Has that come out of left field. I thought the marble gargler was the man! He’s been linked with them but I thought it was paper talk.Marble gargler🤔
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 13, 2017 20:47:52 GMT
Has that come out of left field. I thought the marble gargler was the man! He’s been linked with them but I thought it was paper talk.Marble gargler🤔 The marble gargling twat Dyche Didn't think Silva was in the running at all
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Post by lancyclaret on Nov 14, 2017 0:42:03 GMT
Good news for Burnley if Silva gets Everton job which Dyche had set his heart on. Burnley should have conceded 2 late goals to lose at Goodison. Silva knows which side his bread is buttered.
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Post by Davef on Nov 15, 2017 13:58:31 GMT
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Post by Northy on Nov 15, 2017 15:37:09 GMT
Sshh don't tell Benji he told us all on October 15th it was happening didn't he?
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 15, 2017 15:53:36 GMT
Allerdyce is saying "I'm not going to be anyone's second choice", which will now be the case for whoever eventually gets the job. The Everton owners are doing a fine job on screwing up a football club. Reminds me of a company I worked for the the 1980s. The General Manager kept changing the manager of one particular department because it was failing to perform. Instead of getting to the root cause of the problem, all everyone was learning was the General Manager was a lousy picker of managers.
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Post by lordb on Nov 15, 2017 17:10:49 GMT
Making a mess aren't they?
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 15, 2017 17:29:56 GMT
Everton and Sunderland are making a mess of things. I wonder if somebody thinks they should have stuck it out with Koeman and bought a striker in January? They are after all, the only team to remotely pause the Manchester City juggernaut this season.
If Silva won't go, (and he could be another Martinez for them), I'm not sure where they turn. Ex players talking of Ancelotti and Simeone is ridiculous.
Sunderland's approach to the Barnsley manager is brave, but could soon blow up if their supporters turn against him and the players. It's like they have dreaded playing at home for about 4 seasons now.
Two big clubs who might get relegated this season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 15, 2017 17:40:00 GMT
Everton and Sunderland are making a mess of things. I wonder if somebody thinks they should have stuck it out with Koeman and bought a striker in January? They are after all, the only team to remotely pause the Manchester City juggernaut this season. If Silva won't go, (and he could be another Martinez for them), I'm not sure where they turn. Ex players talking of Ancelotti and Simeone is ridiculous. Sunderland's approach to the Barnsley manager is brave, but could soon blow up if their supporters turn against him and the players. It's like they have dreaded playing at home for about 4 seasons now. Two big clubs who might get relegated this season. Silva has a load more about him than Martinez. I don't see what they have in common beyond both being not British?
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 15, 2017 17:58:57 GMT
Everton and Sunderland are making a mess of things. I wonder if somebody thinks they should have stuck it out with Koeman and bought a striker in January? They are after all, the only team to remotely pause the Manchester City juggernaut this season. If Silva won't go, (and he could be another Martinez for them), I'm not sure where they turn. Ex players talking of Ancelotti and Simeone is ridiculous. Sunderland's approach to the Barnsley manager is brave, but could soon blow up if their supporters turn against him and the players. It's like they have dreaded playing at home for about 4 seasons now. Two big clubs who might get relegated this season. Silva has a load more about him than Martinez. I don't see what they have in common beyond both being not British? Apologies, a slightly flippant comment. They seem to have the same profile as continental techno coach who understand the tactical intricacies of the modern game but may not be best equipped for the physical rigours of the Premier League. It remains to be seen how good Silva is. Certainly not all his fault he already has one relegation on his CV. As for Martinez, the World Cup will be another test. Along with Germany and France, he has the most talented squad at his disposal. They look strong all over the pitch with strength on the bench. Probably under achieved at Euro 2016, being well beaten by Italy then losing to Wales after being in front. This is after they drew Hungary in the knockout stages, probably the softest draw of the round.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 15, 2017 18:44:00 GMT
I thought it was a case of Silva can't go, Watford won't let him?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 15, 2017 18:48:41 GMT
Don't know why they're pissing about, just give the job to Rooney. Please.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 15, 2017 18:55:28 GMT
Koeman is a proven good manager.
He went to Everton who had sacked their manager because they were disappointed in 11th place after a huge amount of investment. He gets them up to 7th (well above 8th) and into Europe.
They sell their best player, possibly the best striker in the Prem. scoring 26 goals with the 7th best team, have a huge turnover of players, which is clearly going to take time to settle and build teamwork, then sack Koeman after a handful of matches, which IMO was a cowardly capitulation to the baying mob.
Everton deserve to be relegated, but I suspect the quality of the squad (which Koeman created) is too good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 18:59:53 GMT
Koeman is a proven good manager. He went to Everton who had sacked their manager because they were disappointed in 11th place after a huge amount of investment. He gets them up to 7th (well above 8th) and into Europe. They sell their best player, possibly the best striker in the Prem. scoring 26 goals with the 7th best team, have a huge turnover of players, which is clearly going to take time to settle and build teamwork, then sack Koeman after a handful of matches, which IMO was a cowardly capitulation to the baying mob. Everton deserve to be relegated, but I suspect the quality of the squad (which Koeman created) is too good. One of the main problems was that Koeman spent £150m and didn’t replace Lukaku. He signed a load of the same type of players and ended up with an unbalanced squad and having to play players out of position to fit them in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 15, 2017 19:05:06 GMT
Silva has a load more about him than Martinez. I don't see what they have in common beyond both being not British? Apologies, a slightly flippant comment. They seem to have the same profile as continental techno coach who understand the tactical intricacies of the modern game but may not be best equipped for the physical rigours of the Premier League. It remains to be seen how good Silva is. Certainly not all his fault he already has one relegation on his CV. As for Martinez, the World Cup will be another test. Along with Germany and France, he has the most talented squad at his disposal. They look strong all over the pitch with strength on the bench. Probably under achieved at Euro 2016, being well beaten by Italy then losing to Wales after being in front. This is after they drew Hungary in the knockout stages, probably the softest draw of the round. I don’t think Martinez and tactics belong in the same sentence. That’s an incredibly harsh assessment of Silva though. Even getting Hull into a position to challenge to stay up was an accomplishment, and he’s made a tremendous start to the season with a team tipped to struggle. If he was English the press would be touting him for Southgate’s job.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 16, 2017 9:32:31 GMT
Silva has made a good start, but has now lost 3 on the spin, 2 after leading away at Chelsea and Everton and a defeat at home to the Mighty Potters.
Next are 3 games in 10 days with the re-born Moyes inspired West Ham at home, then Newcastle away followed by Manchester United at home. We'll see how he looks after that.
Will he be fluent, flukey or flakey?
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Post by lordb on Nov 16, 2017 9:35:29 GMT
Managerless Everton are away at a better organized Palace.
Big game
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 16, 2017 9:40:38 GMT
Silva has made a good start, but has now lost 3 on the spin, 2 after leading away at Chelsea and Everton and a defeat at home to the Mighty Potters. Next are 3 games in 10 days with the re-born Moyes inspired West Ham at home, then Newcastle away followed by Manchester United at home. We'll see how he looks after that. Will he be fluent, flukey or flakey? He'll win some, lose some and draw some what with them being Watford I'd have thought. I don't think anyone is saying he's a genius but he does look a very able manager. There's only him of the vaguely realistic targets I'd actively get rid of Hughes for right now, if there's the slightest chance he'd come.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 16, 2017 9:44:46 GMT
Silva has made a good start, but has now lost 3 on the spin, 2 after leading away at Chelsea and Everton and a defeat at home to the Mighty Potters. Next are 3 games in 10 days with the re-born Moyes inspired West Ham at home, then Newcastle away followed by Manchester United at home. We'll see how he looks after that. Will he be fluent, flukey or flakey? You seem to be a lot less generous with poor results than you are with our present and previous managers, Okey...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 16, 2017 10:06:13 GMT
Sshh don't tell Benji he told us all on October 15th it was happening didn't he? Which is why everyone realised it would never happen. Benji's ITK though, he told us so. Which is why we also know that that's bollox too.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 16, 2017 10:46:20 GMT
Silva has made a good start, but has now lost 3 on the spin, 2 after leading away at Chelsea and Everton and a defeat at home to the Mighty Potters. Next are 3 games in 10 days with the re-born Moyes inspired West Ham at home, then Newcastle away followed by Manchester United at home. We'll see how he looks after that. Will he be fluent, flukey or flakey? He'll win some, lose some and draw some what with them being Watford I'd have thought. I don't think anyone is saying he's a genius but he does look a very able manager. There's only him of the vaguely realistic targets I'd actively get rid of Hughes for right now, if there's the slightest chance he'd come. Yep, think you're right. Big game for them this weekend. He certainly galvanised a very poor Hull side and has made Watford the surprise package, so far getting them to produce more than the sum of their parts. He's had so few games in the Premier League I find it difficult to judge. I'm basically risk averse, so wouldn't swap him for MH at this point, who has demonstrated he can build a decent squad and at times play great football delivering consistently high league finishes.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 16, 2017 10:58:23 GMT
Silva has made a good start, but has now lost 3 on the spin, 2 after leading away at Chelsea and Everton and a defeat at home to the Mighty Potters. Next are 3 games in 10 days with the re-born Moyes inspired West Ham at home, then Newcastle away followed by Manchester United at home. We'll see how he looks after that. Will he be fluent, flukey or flakey? You seem to be a lot less generous with poor results than you are with our present and previous managers, Okey... You've nailed it there, because they're "ours" a bit of objectivity goes out of the window! All the pack can easily go on a 3 game run of defeats. As said above, he's obviously got something but it is maybe too early to judge for me. He's done OK, but not as well as the under rated and stereotyped Dyche. The other interesting observation is that so far De Boer, Billic and Koeman have gone, the first two being replaced with the ultra conservative (and British) Hodgson and Moyes. Despite his media flounce I suspect if the money was right and Everton become increasingly desperate, Allardyce would be at Goodison faster than you could say Z-Cars. As the good Lord B observes above, if Everton lose at Palace, things are looking decidedly shaky. The Pochettino effect is diminishing. Are Chairmen less inclined to take a big risk in the hope of striking gold and prefer a safe pair of hands to avoid the trap door and the shark infested waters of the Championship?
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