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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 22, 2017 17:57:32 GMT
Palace, Bournemouth & Everton all to lose heavily, we'll be ok then...
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Post by liamo on Oct 22, 2017 18:19:40 GMT
2 convincing wins
Either that or 2 defeats, it seems like Hughes keeps doing the bare minimum required to keep his job and we need change
Look at Newcastle, our squad is better than there's on paper, only difference is Rafa is a good manager
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 22, 2017 18:43:01 GMT
2 convincing wins Either that or 2 defeats, it seems like Hughes keeps doing the bare minimum required to keep his job and we need change Look at Newcastle, our squad is better than there's on paper, only difference is Rafa is a good manager I'm baffled by this better squad basis , Benitez turned down Jesse who he knew from Madrid , and signed Joselu instead Clarke at £5m infinitely better than Wimmer at 18 our squad is unequivocally the worst in 10 years signings no others wanted chopper, Jesse , berahino to name 3 , how it got there mind boggling incompetence and complacency and under investment
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 22, 2017 18:46:35 GMT
2 convincing wins Either that or 2 defeats, it seems like Hughes keeps doing the bare minimum required to keep his job and we need change Look at Newcastle, our squad is better than there's on paper, only difference is Rafa is a good manager I'm baffled by this better squad basis , Benitez turned down Jesse who he knew from Madrid , and signed Joselu instead Clarke at £5m infinitely better than Wimmer at 18 our squad is unequivocally the worst in 10 years signings no others wanted chopper, Jesse , berahino to name 3 , how it got there mind boggling incompetence and complacency and under investment Ah go on Benj you auld troll, admit it you're positively praying for a few more losses, keeps you topical!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 21:16:23 GMT
I'm not praying for losses, but I can only see us getting one point out of the next two games. Sorry. That's if we're lucky by the way!
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Post by StatesideStokie on Oct 22, 2017 21:44:08 GMT
Apologies for the naughty thread but i'm genuinely intrigued. Be honest, hands up who wants two defeats and two heavy defeats to see the back of Hughes? Who wants two resounding victories? What a stupid fucking question.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Oct 22, 2017 22:12:01 GMT
2 convincing wins Either that or 2 defeats, it seems like Hughes keeps doing the bare minimum required to keep his job and we need change Look at Newcastle, our squad is better than there's on paper, only difference is Rafa is a good manager I'm baffled by this better squad basis , Benitez turned down Jesse who he knew from Madrid , and signed Joselu instead Clarke at £5m infinitely better than Wimmer at 18 our squad is unequivocally the worst in 10 years signings no others wanted chopper, Jesse , berahino to name 3 , how it got there mind boggling incompetence and complacency and under investment It's bloody hard to read your messages. And that doesn't even relate to the content. Can't you get a grown up to type them in for you?
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Post by thedarkknight on Oct 22, 2017 22:18:27 GMT
I'd be absolutely ecstatic with four points,however I feel we'll go into the Leicester game on the back of another defeat. The game will be massive. If we lose I can't see Hughes surviving. This.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 22:20:05 GMT
I fear that we'll lose both games - "nil points" as they say. Watford looked good at Chelsea, and Leicester seemed quite good away at Swansea.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 22, 2017 22:20:32 GMT
Is it too much to hope for Hughes to suddenly hit upon a magic system, his best XI and a way to recover our goal difference with two thumping wins?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 22, 2017 22:22:58 GMT
You forgot to switch your ID from Benj to Bayern ....... Christ, is that the best you've got? That's what she said.
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Post by thedarkknight on Oct 22, 2017 22:24:01 GMT
As a fan, I hope for 6.
As a realist I expect 1. And a change of regime.
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Post by PB1863 on Oct 22, 2017 22:27:39 GMT
I remember years ago wanting us to lose heavily to get rid of a manager - can't remember who but it was in the 80's. Now I want 6 points and no goals conceded. I want Hughes to succeed and I want those signed players to do well.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Oct 22, 2017 22:34:42 GMT
I don't really give a fuck. Tit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 22:37:57 GMT
I don't really give a fuck. Tit. I don't. Win and the casms that have developed over the last 18 months are papered over again and the things that have been needed to addressed since Nzonzi and Moses left wont be addressed, again. But we stand a better chance of staying up, ace. Lose and those problems may be solved and we may become a better side and stand a better chance of staying up. Ace.
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Post by mattface on Oct 22, 2017 22:42:20 GMT
6 points - next question
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 22, 2017 22:42:50 GMT
If we had won yesterday you would shrug a loss at Watford but expect a win against Leicester. We are going to have to perform a lot better than yesterday and I don't think we have it in us so we may be in trouble. Pieters and Cameron played like a bag of shite yesterday. Cant see where our next win is
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Post by thedarkknight on Oct 22, 2017 22:43:21 GMT
I don't. Win and the casms that have developed over the last 18 months are papered over again and the things that have been needed to addressed since Nzonzi and Moses left wont be addressed, again. But we stand a better chance of staying up, ace. Lose and those problems may be solved and we may become a better side and stand a better chance of staying up. Ace. To summarise then. You're indifferent. Not the first time a post or three of yours have contributed nothing. 😉
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 22:44:57 GMT
I don't. Win and the casms that have developed over the last 18 months are papered over again and the things that have been needed to addressed since Nzonzi and Moses left wont be addressed, again. But we stand a better chance of staying up, ace. Lose and those problems may be solved and we may become a better side and stand a better chance of staying up. Ace. To summarise then. You're indifferent. Not the first time a post or three of yours have contributed nothing. 😉 I just want Hughes gone. My posts sadly have been bang on these past 18 months.
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Post by thedarkknight on Oct 22, 2017 22:47:01 GMT
To summarise then. You're indifferent. Not the first time a post or three of yours have contributed nothing. 😉 I just want Hughes gone. My posts sadly have been bang on these past 18 months. I have no doubt some of them have. Considering your post count though, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Throw enough shit at a wall and some of it will stick.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Oct 22, 2017 22:48:38 GMT
I don't. Win and the casms that have developed over the last 18 months are papered over again and the things that have been needed to addressed since Nzonzi and Moses left wont be addressed, again. But we stand a better chance of staying up, ace. Lose and those problems may be solved and we may become a better side and stand a better chance of staying up. Ace. Then you're a tit. Any answer other than 6 points is a total disgrace. Not being bothered about losing both games because it MIGHT result in a managerial change is ridiculous. It would still be unlikely that Hughes would be sacked but highly likely that we'd be sitting in the drop zone. Even if you got your wish and Hughes is sacked, the recruitment and scouting set-up would remain.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 22:51:30 GMT
I just want Hughes gone. My posts sadly have been bang on these past 18 months. I have no doubt some of them have. Considering your post count though, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Throw enough shit at a wall and some of it will stick. Nah, this whole malaise has been obvious for so long and people have accepted it. That's the real disgrace.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 22:54:50 GMT
I don't. Win and the casms that have developed over the last 18 months are papered over again and the things that have been needed to addressed since Nzonzi and Moses left wont be addressed, again. But we stand a better chance of staying up, ace. Lose and those problems may be solved and we may become a better side and stand a better chance of staying up. Ace. Then you're a tit. Any answer other than 6 points is a total disgrace. Not being bothered about losing both games because it MIGHT result in a managerial change is ridiculous. It would still be unlikely that Hughes would be sacked but highly likely that we'd be sitting in the drop zone. Even if you got your wish and Hughes is sacked, the recruitment and scouting set-up would remain. We'll be in and out of the drop zone all season with Hughes in charge, you better get used to it. It would but we have got some good players who can be organised by a good manager. Go from there. We need some of structure in the side. Hughes has shown he cannot do that. Apathy is the order of the day for a good number. That's worse than anger.
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 22, 2017 22:56:09 GMT
After yesterday you can bet Hughsey is on trial for the next 3 or 4 games. Otherwise its if Stoke go down we all go down get pissed on the ale. We...lll come back up ....
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Post by kustokie on Oct 22, 2017 23:16:55 GMT
I don't. Win and the casms that have developed over the last 18 months are papered over again and the things that have been needed to addressed since Nzonzi and Moses left wont be addressed, again. But we stand a better chance of staying up, ace. Lose and those problems may be solved and we may become a better side and stand a better chance of staying up. Ace. While it may be true that the start of the decline more or less coincided with the departure of N’zonzi, it is only one contributing factor. A much bigger factor was the strategic decision to switch from 4-2-3-1 to three at the back without first signing the players necessary to play that system. Now Hughes is stuck between a rock and a hard place because he doesn’t have the squad to play either system very well. He starts every game with a formation cobbled together with three center backs, of which at least one is injured, and two make-shift wing backs. After about 30 minutes, it’s obvious to everyone that Plan A isn’t working, so he transitions to four at the back, which steadies things at the back (a bit), throws on Crouch and hopes for the best. It’s basically a big mess with no obvious solution.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 23:50:40 GMT
I don't. Win and the casms that have developed over the last 18 months are papered over again and the things that have been needed to addressed since Nzonzi and Moses left wont be addressed, again. But we stand a better chance of staying up, ace. Lose and those problems may be solved and we may become a better side and stand a better chance of staying up. Ace. While it may be true that the start of the decline more or less coincided with the departure of N’zonzi, it is only one contributing factor. A much bigger factor was the strategic decision to switch from 4-2-3-1 to three at the back without first signing the players necessary to play that system. Now Hughes is stuck between a rock and a hard place because he doesn’t have the squad to play either system very well. He starts every game with a formation cobbled together with three center backs, of which at least one is injured, and two make-shift wing backs. After about 30 minutes, it’s obvious to everyone that Plan A isn’t working, so he transitions to four at the back, which steadies things at the back (a bit), throws on Crouch and hopes for the best. It’s basically a big mess with no obvious solution. It is but N'Zonzi and not replacing him and that whole episode encapsulates everything that has been wrong with the club in that time. He was the heartbeat of our side. He was the player that allowed Hughes to play how he wanted to play. He was the key man, he could pass, he could see things other can't and he was such a clever footballer. We knew he was leaving and the player we could muster to replace him was Marco Van Ginkel. A loan. A sticking plaster. The cheap option, make do. But then that was ok because it was the plan all along, we'd done some great scouting and had the replacement in our sights all along. Or did we just see him in a pre season game and cobble it from there? 18m wasted on a player who has no desire, no brain, no effort and just doesn't care. No foresight, no planning, no attention to detail, lack of effort, half arsed all summed up in trying to replace one player. The beginning of the end for Hughes.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 23, 2017 0:05:02 GMT
Is it too much to hope for Hughes to suddenly hit upon a magic system, his best XI and a way to recover our goal difference with two thumping wins? The evidence of the last couple of seasons would suggest it almost certainly is ... sadly.
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Post by thedarkknight on Oct 23, 2017 0:05:57 GMT
While it may be true that the start of the decline more or less coincided with the departure of N’zonzi, it is only one contributing factor. A much bigger factor was the strategic decision to switch from 4-2-3-1 to three at the back without first signing the players necessary to play that system. Now Hughes is stuck between a rock and a hard place because he doesn’t have the squad to play either system very well. He starts every game with a formation cobbled together with three center backs, of which at least one is injured, and two make-shift wing backs. After about 30 minutes, it’s obvious to everyone that Plan A isn’t working, so he transitions to four at the back, which steadies things at the back (a bit), throws on Crouch and hopes for the best. It’s basically a big mess with no obvious solution. It is but N'Zonzi and not replacing him and that whole episode encapsulates everything that has been wrong with the club in that time. He was the heartbeat of our side. He was the player that allowed Hughes to play how he wanted to play. He was the key man, he could pass, he could see things other can't and he was such a clever footballer. We knew he was leaving and the player we could muster to replace him was Marco Van Ginkel. A loan. A sticking plaster. The cheap option, make do. But then that was ok because it was the plan all along, we'd done some great scouting and had the replacement in our sights all along. Or did we just see him in a pre season game and cobble it from there? 18m wasted on a player who has no desire, no brain, no effort and just doesn't care. No foresight, no planning, no attention to detail, lack of effort, half arsed all summed up in trying to replace one player. The beginning of the end for Hughes. So true. And at that point, before the market went mad, there were so many great options!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 23, 2017 0:10:34 GMT
I don't. Win and the casms that have developed over the last 18 months are papered over again and the things that have been needed to addressed since Nzonzi and Moses left wont be addressed, again. But we stand a better chance of staying up, ace. Lose and those problems may be solved and we may become a better side and stand a better chance of staying up. Ace. While it may be true that the start of the decline more or less coincided with the departure of N’zonzi, it is only one contributing factor. A much bigger factor was the strategic decision to switch from 4-2-3-1 to three at the back without first signing the players necessary to play that system. Now Hughes is stuck between a rock and a hard place because he doesn’t have the squad to play either system very well. He starts every game with a formation cobbled together with three center backs, of which at least one is injured, and two make-shift wing backs. After about 30 minutes, it’s obvious to everyone that Plan A isn’t working, so he transitions to four at the back, which steadies things at the back (a bit), throws on Crouch and hopes for the best. It’s basically a big mess with no obvious solution. This is it, in an absolute nutshell.
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Post by pottarius on Oct 23, 2017 0:13:34 GMT
I jokingly said to a mate I hope we get mullered at Watford in order to get Hughes out of the door. However I just don't see it, unless we go on a run of 10 straight losses PC won't even consider getting rid mid-season and even then he'd most likely still keep him on. We need scrape every point we can, contentious penalties, handball goals, flukes off Saido's arse or whatever - we have got to survive first but whilst doing so the fans need to make it clear to the stubborn one that change is needed and not just Hughes. The whole set up needs a kick-up the arse
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