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Post by yeokel on Nov 5, 2019 15:36:19 GMT
Thanks for those quotes from Tom Sutcliffe, the well known authority on the Human Psyche, and, of course, a renowned expert in the best courses of action when faced with almost certain death due to an ongoing disaster. Ah, hang on…… My mistake, It’s actually a BBC theatre critic you are quoting from. He would naturally know more about these types of situation than the rest of us. I bow to your superior terms of reference. He's actually a social commentator on many things but you stick to your guns, defend the Victorian Ghost and his vile and offensive statements, I mean this and wanting the poor to be 'put down', it's been quite the week for a clear view into the members of the Conservative Party 'human psyche'. Shameful. I’m not defending anybody in particular. I was merely pointing out that the opinion of a BBC theatre critic about the best course of action during an emergency holds no more weight that your opinion does, or my opinion. I don’t know what I would do in the circumstance. You probably don’t know what you would do either. From what Eggybread has written, he knows what he would do in the middle of a towering inferno and that is that he would have a bath. There is no telling is there? But please, if you are going to present a counter argument to a discussion on this subject matter, try to do a little better than a tweet from a BBC theatre critic.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 5, 2019 15:44:34 GMT
He's actually a social commentator on many things but you stick to your guns, defend the Victorian Ghost and his vile and offensive statements, I mean this and wanting the poor to be 'put down', it's been quite the week for a clear view into the members of the Conservative Party 'human psyche'. Shameful. I’m not defending anybody in particular. I was merely pointing out that the opinion of a BBC theatre critic about the best course of action during an emergency holds no more weight that your opinion does, or my opinion. I don’t know what I would do in the circumstance. You probably don’t know what you would do either. From what Eggybread has written, he knows what he would do in the middle of a towering inferno and that is that he would have a bath. There is no telling is there? But please, if you are going to present a counter argument to a discussion on this subject matter, try to do a little better than a tweet from a BBC theatre critic. "Eggybread has written, he knows what he would do in the middle of a towering inferno and that is that he would have a bath" Dont take the piss at 6 flights up and no way out could you think of anything better to do. When I told the fire and ambulance crew they said it was a clever idea.Seconds count in those situations and if I could have got and an extra few minutes to help those were trying to rescue us (even though they didnt)it could have been a few seconds between life and deaf. I said I didnt want to go into the details but dont take the piss .
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2019 15:45:03 GMT
He's actually a social commentator on many things but you stick to your guns, defend the Victorian Ghost and his vile and offensive statements, I mean this and wanting the poor to be 'put down', it's been quite the week for a clear view into the members of the Conservative Party 'human psyche'. Shameful. I’m not defending anybody in particular. I was merely pointing out that the opinion of a BBC theatre critic about the best course of action during an emergency holds no more weight that your opinion does, or my opinion. I don’t know what I would do in the circumstance. You probably don’t know what you would do either. From what Eggybread has written, he knows what he would do in the middle of a towering inferno and that is that he would have a bath. There is no telling is there? But please, if you are going to present a counter argument to a discussion on this subject matter, try to do a little better than a tweet from a BBC theatre critic. Your automatic trigger response was to defend him. You agree with him that those who perished were thick and not struck with the terror of the situation. The point about his partitional lack of imagination and sense of utter superiority is a point well made.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 5, 2019 15:45:15 GMT
Manufactured outrage something you are an expert on Sheiky nowhere does he claim they lacked common sense at worst you could say he implies this. At school I was taught to leave a burning building, the same at work. If I had been in that building I'd have been out like a shot if I could get me and mine out, I've seen Towering Inferno too many times as a kid not everyone there was in that position to do that but I'll reserve my anger for the people who didn't do their job before that night and allowed that cladding to be put up.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2019 15:48:07 GMT
Manufactured outrage something you are an expert on Sheiky nowhere does he claim they lacked common sense at worst you could say he implies this. At school I was taught to leave a burning building, the same at work. If I had been in that building I'd have been out like a shot if I could get me and mine out, I've seen Towering Inferno too many times as a kid not everyone there was in that position to do that but I'll reserve my anger for the people who didn't do their job before that night and allowed that cladding to be put up. "Rees-Mogg told the LBC radio host Nick Ferrari that if either of them had been in a fire they would “leave the burning building” and ignore the London fire brigade." He thinks him and his mate Ferrari are better than those that died, brighter and just better. It's clear if you listen to the whole piece. It's absolutely horrific.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 5, 2019 15:49:15 GMT
Manufactured outrage something you are an expert on Sheiky nowhere does he claim they lacked common sense at worst you could say he implies this. At school I was taught to leave a burning building, the same at work. If I had been in that building I'd have been out like a shot if I could get me and mine out, I've seen Towering Inferno too many times as a kid not everyone there was in that position to do that but I'll reserve my anger for the people who didn't do their job before that night and allowed that cladding to be put up. Yes he does “If you just ignore what you’re told and leave you are so much safer,” the senior Conservative said. “And I think if either of us were in a fire, whatever the fire brigade said, we would leave the burning building. It just seems the common sense thing to do.” If common sense was not applied which he does say he is then saying they lack it.Of course he is thats is why he has been forced to say sorry.Jesus wept.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 5, 2019 16:03:27 GMT
Manufactured outrage something you are an expert on Sheiky nowhere does he claim they lacked common sense at worst you could say he implies this. At school I was taught to leave a burning building, the same at work. If I had been in that building I'd have been out like a shot if I could get me and mine out, I've seen Towering Inferno too many times as a kid not everyone there was in that position to do that but I'll reserve my anger for the people who didn't do their job before that night and allowed that cladding to be put up. "Rees-Mogg told the LBC radio host Nick Ferrari that if either of them had been in a fire they would “leave the burning building” and ignore the London fire brigade." He thinks him and his mate Ferrari are better than those that died, brighter and just better. It's clear if you listen to the whole piece. It's absolutely horrific. Sorry but that's nonsense his point is I think that staying put in a fire runs counter to all natural instincts and is the opposite of what we are taught at schools, work etc etc, It's based in the context of the report about the night of the fire that says the stay put instructions cost people their lives and should have been overturned, there are no easy answers to it as there is then a risk people die on the stairs through panic etc, I've told you what I would have done and why they are both talking in hindsight obviously but the implication he thinks they are thick or he is better is poor taste.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2019 16:06:50 GMT
"Rees-Mogg told the LBC radio host Nick Ferrari that if either of them had been in a fire they would “leave the burning building” and ignore the London fire brigade." He thinks him and his mate Ferrari are better than those that died, brighter and just better. It's clear if you listen to the whole piece. It's absolutely horrific. Sorry but that's nonsense his point is I think that staying put in a fire runs counter to all natural instincts and is the opposite of what we are taught at schools, work etc etc, It's based in the context of the report about the night of the fire that says the stay put instructions cost people their lives and should have been overturned, there are no easy answers to it as there is then a risk people die on the stairs through panic etc, I've told you what I would have done and why they are both talking in hindsight obviously but the implication he thinks they are thick or he is better is poor taste. Why does he make the clear point to Ferrari that the likes of them would have made different decision to those faced with the actual terror of the situation? Why are they different? What's the implication?
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Post by yeokel on Nov 5, 2019 16:11:49 GMT
I’m not defending anybody in particular. I was merely pointing out that the opinion of a BBC theatre critic about the best course of action during an emergency holds no more weight that your opinion does, or my opinion. I don’t know what I would do in the circumstance. You probably don’t know what you would do either. From what Eggybread has written, he knows what he would do in the middle of a towering inferno and that is that he would have a bath. There is no telling is there? But please, if you are going to present a counter argument to a discussion on this subject matter, try to do a little better than a tweet from a BBC theatre critic. Your automatic trigger response was to defend him. You agree with him that those who perished were thick and not struck with the terror of the situation. The point about his partitional lack of imagination and sense of utter superiority is a point well made. " Your automatic trigger response was to defend him. You agree with him that those who perished were thick and not struck with the terror of the situation" Not at all. That is an invention of your own mind I'm afraid. And, if you want to argue semantics, my "trigger" was to agree with his point about common sense. You will not find the word "thick" in anything I've written apart from this reposte. And you would not find a single word written by me in either praise or support of JRM in any of my couple of thousand posts. Your own trigger, on the other hand, is to attack anyone who writes anything which you might be able to twist in support of your one single blinkered mantra of 'all that is red is great and everything else is evil'.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 5, 2019 16:14:32 GMT
Manufactured outrage something you are an expert on Sheiky nowhere does he claim they lacked common sense at worst you could say he implies this. At school I was taught to leave a burning building, the same at work. If I had been in that building I'd have been out like a shot if I could get me and mine out, I've seen Towering Inferno too many times as a kid not everyone there was in that position to do that but I'll reserve my anger for the people who didn't do their job before that night and allowed that cladding to be put up. Yes he does “If you just ignore what you’re told and leave you are so much safer,” the senior Conservative said. “And I think if either of us were in a fire, whatever the fire brigade said, we would leave the burning building. It just seems the common sense thing to do.” If common sense was not applied which he does say he is then saying they lack it.Of course he is thats is why he has been forced to say sorry.Jesus wept. Here is the thing if he had claimed they lacked common sense you would be able to quote him saying this instead you try and explain why he could be considered to have implied this because he didn't actually say it. As I said at worst you might be able to say he implied this but you can't say he claimed it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2019 16:20:08 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 5, 2019 16:27:16 GMT
Sorry but that's nonsense his point is I think that staying put in a fire runs counter to all natural instincts and is the opposite of what we are taught at schools, work etc etc, It's based in the context of the report about the night of the fire that says the stay put instructions cost people their lives and should have been overturned, there are no easy answers to it as there is then a risk people die on the stairs through panic etc, I've told you what I would have done and why they are both talking in hindsight obviously but the implication he thinks they are thick or he is better is poor taste. Why does he make the clear point to Ferrari that the likes of them would have made different decision to those faced with the actual terror of the situation? Why are they different? What's the implication? He was having a conversation with Ferrari that's why he references them both, who knows what he would really have done in that situation, I can only say for myself and why.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 5, 2019 16:31:07 GMT
But nowhere does he claim or say they lacked common sense, you can say he implied it if you want too but he does not claim they lacked common sense.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 5, 2019 16:50:41 GMT
But nowhere does he claim or say they lacked common sense, you can say he implied it if you want too but he does not claim they lacked common sense. He said something stupid. If I was running Labour’s election campaign I’d be looking to give the Tories as much media time as possible and let them shoot themselves in the foot. With two inept parties fighting it out the winner may be the one who fucks up the least.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 5, 2019 16:53:54 GMT
But nowhere does he claim or say they lacked common sense, you can say he implied it if you want too but he does not claim they lacked common sense. He said something stupid. If I was running Labour’s election campaign I’d be looking to give the Tories as much media time as possible and let them shoot themselves in the foot. With two inept parties fighting it out the winner may be the one who fucks up the least. With two inept parties fighting it out the winner sure as hell won't be the electorate
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2019 16:59:03 GMT
But nowhere does he claim or say they lacked common sense, you can say he implied it if you want too but he does not claim they lacked common sense. "If either of us were in a fire, regardless of what the fire brigade said we would leave the burning building. It just seems the common sense thing to do" No implication just an outright and ingrained sense of superiority .
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 5, 2019 18:12:02 GMT
Sorry but that's nonsense his point is I think that staying put in a fire runs counter to all natural instincts and is the opposite of what we are taught at schools, work etc etc, It's based in the context of the report about the night of the fire that says the stay put instructions cost people their lives and should have been overturned, there are no easy answers to it as there is then a risk people die on the stairs through panic etc, I've told you what I would have done and why they are both talking in hindsight obviously but the implication he thinks they are thick or he is better is poor taste. Why does he make the clear point to Ferrari that the likes of them would have made different decision to those faced with the actual terror of the situation? Why are they different? What's the implication? They are rich and arrogant and know best!! we are poor and weak and have no mind because were so gullible and will do anything the rich say !
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 5, 2019 18:22:19 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 5, 2019 18:50:43 GMT
Why does he make the clear point to Ferrari that the likes of them would have made different decision to those faced with the actual terror of the situation? Why are they different? What's the implication? They are rich and arrogant and know best!! I am we are poor and weak and have no mind because I am were so gullible and will do anything the rich say ! Just fixed that for you.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2019 19:01:43 GMT
The detestable Mr Bridgen doubling down on R4.
It's what they think. They are better than most of you.
Absolute wankers
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 5, 2019 19:52:21 GMT
It's no different to the fire chief saying last week she wouldn't do anything differently with the Benefit of hindsight
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 21:14:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 21:27:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 21:28:35 GMT
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Post by yeokel on Nov 5, 2019 21:41:33 GMT
Yes. Essex tried to tell us about it earlier today, although I’m not surprised you missed it as his usually crystal clear text seems to have been jumbled up by a random garbage generator. “the tories court lying again although they promised 5 years ago to build new affordable starter homes they let the legislation not pass (by not tabling it )” EssexSpeak link
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Post by zerps on Nov 5, 2019 21:46:03 GMT
So it’s a choice between a bunch of cunts and a bunch of cunts. Why aren’t we rioting again?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2019 22:01:18 GMT
Time for a summary?
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Post by algor on Nov 5, 2019 22:06:12 GMT
So it’s a choice between a bunch of cunts and a bunch of cunts. Why aren’t we rioting again? It looks like that is the choice doesn't it! I have always been centre right purely because I believe the right always does better with the economy but the right has gone too far right and the left has gone too far left, the centre is very opaque at the moment. Struggling to find a worthy vote candidate
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 5, 2019 22:21:38 GMT
The detestable Mr Bridgen doubling down on R4. It's what they think. They are better than most of you. Absolute wankers I listened to it & it was just like that. “He’s had a very expensive education & is a natural leader” Moggy knows better than firemen. He knows better than anyone. Ffs, he’s been telling us for long enough. Are you so thick that you haven’t learned yet. Plebs, know your place🎩
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Post by auntiegeorge on Nov 5, 2019 23:01:51 GMT
The issue about Grenfell (to me) is not what JRM said. It's why the London Fire Brigade advised people to stay put in a burning building. Was that a common sense approach? Surely it is counter intuitive? If I'm in a burning building the only thing I would want to do is get out of it. Isn't that common sense?
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