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Post by harryburrows on Apr 22, 2019 9:05:23 GMT
W These links to the FT don't work momo , just a paywall
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 22, 2019 9:10:47 GMT
W These links to the FT don't work momo , just a paywall Think it works off a twitter link for some reason H. Pasted below. Charity filling in the gaps that this Government wilfully leaves unplugged. There are few signs in the treatment room at the Lean-on-Me safe space, behind a shop front in the city centre of Hereford, to suggest the facility is anything other than part of the UK’s state-provided National Health Service.A treatment couch bears a disposable paper cover, ready for the next patient. A poster gives those assessing them a checklist to determine whether a graver medical issue might underlie the alcohol or drug intoxication that brings most people to the service. But the Bible in the waiting area shows that Lean-on-Me is part of an increasingly important social movement across the country: the growing number of services being offered by faith-based — and particularly church — groups as austerity funding cuts erode the capacity of public-sector bodies. Vennture, a Hereford-based Christian charity, set up Lean-on-Me with qualified volunteers as an extension of its street pastors service, which helps people who have become distressed or injured on nights out or need help to get home safely. The efforts of Vennture — which has its roots in the philanthropic work of John Venn, a 19th-century vicar in Hereford — are part of a mushrooming of social initiatives by churches, mosques, synagogues and other religious congregations in the wake of deep spending cuts to the services offered by local authorities, police forces and other public bodies. The most obvious sign is the proliferation of food banks based in church halls. But faith groups have also been prominent in setting up winter shelters for the UK’s growing numbers of homeless people. Street pastors are a feature of Friday and Saturday nights in many town and city centres. Paul Bickley, a research fellow at Theos, a think-tank on religion, said growth in such provision was “quite substantial”, although there were few reliable statistics. Chrissie Pepler, community link development officer for the Church of England’s Diocese of Hereford, in the west of England, said: “As austerity has deepened and other things have disappeared, the churches have remained and have grown to fill some of that gap.”Mosques are also present nationwide and heavily involved in community support. Between 2010, when austerity began, and 2020, local authorities will have lost almost 60 per cent of their central government funding between 2010 and 2020. The philanthropic work has its roots in the efforts of John Venn, a 19th century vicar in Hereford © Alpha Historica/Alamy Rt Rev Richard Frith, the bishop of Hereford, said the trend marked a shift from the early 2000s when churches helped local councils to decide how to spend government grants. But “the principles remain the same — to best serve the community”, the bishop said.As well as Lean-on-Me, street pastors and street ambassadors, which help shoppers in Hereford, Vennture runs two mentoring programmes for people grappling with social problems. The family pastors scheme supports 60 families facing potential unemployment, homelessness or having their children taken into care. Another scheme helps 100 individuals facing similar issues to rebuild their lives. Some councils nevertheless remained concerned about entrusting delivery of some tasks to volunteers and about whether committed religious groups should be involved, Mr Bickley said. “There’s worry in some local authorities around, ‘If I say yes to this, am I saying yes to things I don’t understand?’.” Superintendent Susan Thomas: 'The street pastors play a significant role in our extended policing family' © Andrew Fox At the city’s police station, Susan Thomas, superintendent at West Mercia Police, criticised some faith-based groups. She said provision of free food to marginalised people in Hereford helped addicts find extra money to spend on illegal drugs. But she praised Vennture, saying their services reduce pressure on Hereford County hospital’s overstretched accident and emergency department. They also reduced the number of drunks the police detained. Funding cuts have cut the police presence in central Hereford on a weekend evening to 10 or fewer officers, against 12 to 14 as recently as five years ago. “The street pastors play a significant role in our extended policing family,” Supt Thomas said. Vennture said it dealt with more than 400 serious incidents a year.Robert Thomas, its chief executive, acknowledged there were questions about how well a predominantly voluntary group could deliver support once provided by public-sector professionals. However, he said his organisation trained volunteers thoroughly and they had more time. One volunteer at Lean-on-Me, Chloe Willimont, recounted spending two hours talking to a young woman who was severely distressed after a chance encounter with a man who had raped her. “I don’t think the NHS has the same kind of time,” Ms Willimont said. Mr Thomas acknowledged that some public bodies regarded the religious affiliation of the group, which draws board members from a number of churches in Hereford, as problematic. “Periodically, we’ll have someone come and say, ‘If only you’d drop the Christian thing, you’d make it so much easier’,” he said. Supt Thomas said Vennture’s religious affiliation was “not an issue at all”. The group, like other faith groups offering public services, has policies banning volunteers from proselytising to clients. “What we are here to do is to bring practical meaning to the power of Jesus’ love,” Mr Thomas said. Ms Willimont is an atheist but accepted that the zeal of religious organisations was often key to sustaining initiatives such as Lean-on-Me.“I don’t think any of this would be here without the church . . . having the time and money and volunteers.”
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 22, 2019 10:54:51 GMT
This is the agenda of Respublica. As espoused in the 'Red Tory'. They were thick in with Cameron when he was in office. A hidden hand from within the Bullingdon boys. Interesting how this has crept in. Feudalism, serfdom, the Poor Laws. And most likely an accompanying cultural revolution. It's no coincidence the main proponents personal catchphrase was {and obv. still is} "Let's Wreck". As with many of these things I personally thought there were some good ideas in it: a light touch government, localised informal networks of support etc. But it's masking savage austerity, division and putting Church/religion back into the heart of state affairs. A sort of spiritual Marxism for the masses. I thought it had faded away, but suspected it was lurking somewhere. I hadn't been paying enough attention. We've already got workhouses = prisons.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 22, 2019 11:06:03 GMT
In the first place the banks, we (the government Labour)then bought the banks to stop them going under this government (conservative) sold off the banks minus the toxic assets to there mates in the city. so this government now own the toxic assets So you should be thanking the Tories for getting back some of the money Labour spunked up the wall by not managing the regulation of the banks properly, then mishandling the sale of Northern Rock which led to the run on the other banks. And by the way they didnt sell off the banks only the shares they held as they never owned the banks and considering how much trouble all governments have running schools, nhs, police I'd suggest they might be best to give banking a miss. It was a world banking crisis, not one singled out for Britain & the measures taken by those two brave Jockanese Brown & Darling we’re adopted by many other countries suffering the same difficulties. Rather than innocent of banking deregulation that the Torys started, George Osborne wanted more deregulation. I’m loving your analogy that governments can’t run banks, because it became apparent that banks couldn’t run banks & that’s why governments had to bail them out. But, what did Osborne & Cameron do when they got their chance to put things right, they plunged us into austerity & gave us the Brexit debacle. So if governments can’t run stuff as you say & our civil service has been systematically run into the ground over decades by the ‘Reform’ ideology under Francis Maude, how do you think we will get stuff done after Brexit, cause this government is an utter shambles...
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Post by 3putts on Apr 22, 2019 12:21:54 GMT
Now your on the blame game lets start the thatcher / major governments for not investing in hospital/ school infrastructures that meant that schools and hospitals were falling down riddled with asbestos while the family silver (the utility companies) were sold off on the cheap so that the richest in society could be given tax cuts. Lets then also blame the greedy bankers who chased profits in the American subprime markets and the Labour government had to bail them out to stop a collapse in the banking sector. lets also blame this government for selling off these new national owned banks to there mates in the city for nock down prices while keeping the toxic assets. Whatever your politics you cannot deny that these events happened(remember the North staffs infirmary?) and that we are all still suffering the consequences today
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 22, 2019 19:15:15 GMT
So you should be thanking the Tories for getting back some of the money Labour spunked up the wall by not managing the regulation of the banks properly, then mishandling the sale of Northern Rock which led to the run on the other banks. And by the way they didnt sell off the banks only the shares they held as they never owned the banks and considering how much trouble all governments have running schools, nhs, police I'd suggest they might be best to give banking a miss. It was a world banking crisis, not one singled out for Britain & the measures taken by those two brave Jockanese Brown & Darling we’re adopted by many other countries suffering the same difficulties. Rather than innocent of banking deregulation that the Torys started, George Osborne wanted more deregulation. I’m loving your analogy that governments can’t run banks, because it became apparent that banks couldn’t run banks & that’s why governments had to bail them out. But, what did Osborne & Cameron do when they got their chance to put things right, they plunged us into austerity & gave us the Brexit debacle. So if governments can’t run stuff as you say & our civil service has been systematically run into the ground over decades by the ‘Reform’ ideology under Francis Maude, how do you think we will get stuff done after Brexit, cause this government is an utter shambles... The brave jockanese who refused to let tsb use a 250m loan to buy northern rock based in labour voting area and instead had to spend billions. The rest I really cant be bothered going over old ground again....
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 22, 2019 23:03:19 GMT
It was a world banking crisis, not one singled out for Britain & the measures taken by those two brave Jockanese Brown & Darling we’re adopted by many other countries suffering the same difficulties. Rather than innocent of banking deregulation that the Torys started, George Osborne wanted more deregulation. I’m loving your analogy that governments can’t run banks, because it became apparent that banks couldn’t run banks & that’s why governments had to bail them out. But, what did Osborne & Cameron do when they got their chance to put things right, they plunged us into austerity & gave us the Brexit debacle. So if governments can’t run stuff as you say & our civil service has been systematically run into the ground over decades by the ‘Reform’ ideology under Francis Maude, how do you think we will get stuff done after Brexit, cause this government is an utter shambles... I really cant be bothered going over old ground again.... Back at you...
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 23, 2019 13:28:53 GMT
False expenses claim Tory MP Chris Davies fined £1,500 linkAnother tory on the take and another one caught and another one caught another tory on the take
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Post by Northy on Apr 23, 2019 13:48:22 GMT
False expenses claim Tory MP Chris Davies fined £1,500 linkAnother tory on the take and another one caught and another one caught another tory on the take Wrong, if you actually read the story you will see he wasnt on the take, he wouldnt have profited from it, it was a £750 invoice he was splitting that he shouldnt have, he would have been entitled to claim all the money from one pot, all to do with his start up budget. It's not like a Hazel Blears cheque waving, or Labour's Elliot Morley, David Chaytor and Jim Devine illegally claiming almost £60,000 is it ? Labour still lead the way on convictions on these false expenses
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 23, 2019 14:32:15 GMT
So you should be thanking the Tories for getting back some of the money Labour spunked up the wall by not managing the regulation of the banks properly, then mishandling the sale of Northern Rock which led to the run on the other banks. And by the way they didnt sell off the banks only the shares they held as they never owned the banks and considering how much trouble all governments have running schools, nhs, police I'd suggest they might be best to give banking a miss. It was a world banking crisis, not one singled out for Britain & the measures taken by those two brave Jockanese Brown & Darling we’re adopted by many other countries suffering the same difficulties. Rather than innocent of banking deregulation that the Torys started, George Osborne wanted more deregulation. I’m loving your analogy that governments can’t run banks, because it became apparent that banks couldn’t run banks & that’s why governments had to bail them out. But, what did Osborne & Cameron do when they got their chance to put things right, they plunged us into austerity & gave us the Brexit debacle. So if governments can’t run stuff as you say & our civil service has been systematically run into the ground over decades by the ‘Reform’ ideology under Francis Maude, how do you think we will get stuff done after Brexit, cause this government is an utter shambles... I think you will find austerity started under Gordon Browns premiership
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 23, 2019 17:12:42 GMT
It was a world banking crisis, not one singled out for Britain & the measures taken by those two brave Jockanese Brown & Darling we’re adopted by many other countries suffering the same difficulties. Rather than innocent of banking deregulation that the Torys started, George Osborne wanted more deregulation. I’m loving your analogy that governments can’t run banks, because it became apparent that banks couldn’t run banks & that’s why governments had to bail them out. But, what did Osborne & Cameron do when they got their chance to put things right, they plunged us into austerity & gave us the Brexit debacle. So if governments can’t run stuff as you say & our civil service has been systematically run into the ground over decades by the ‘Reform’ ideology under Francis Maude, how do you think we will get stuff done after Brexit, cause this government is an utter shambles... I think you will find austerity started under Gordon Browns premiership Indeed and that was even with the benefit of the 0% economic growth he proudly announced to the house
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 23, 2019 18:52:41 GMT
It was a world banking crisis, not one singled out for Britain & the measures taken by those two brave Jockanese Brown & Darling we’re adopted by many other countries suffering the same difficulties. Rather than innocent of banking deregulation that the Torys started, George Osborne wanted more deregulation. I’m loving your analogy that governments can’t run banks, because it became apparent that banks couldn’t run banks & that’s why governments had to bail them out. But, what did Osborne & Cameron do when they got their chance to put things right, they plunged us into austerity & gave us the Brexit debacle. So if governments can’t run stuff as you say & our civil service has been systematically run into the ground over decades by the ‘Reform’ ideology under Francis Maude, how do you think we will get stuff done after Brexit, cause this government is an utter shambles... I think you will find austerity started under Gordon Browns premiership Really! Even if that were true, under whom does anyone else feel less wealthy...
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 23, 2019 23:01:09 GMT
I think you will find austerity started under Gordon Browns premiership Really! Even if that were true, under whom does anyone else feel less wealthy... Now I'm confused , you described socialism perfectly, you seem to like the prospect
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 24, 2019 5:43:05 GMT
Really! Even if that were true, under whom does anyone else feel less wealthy... Now I'm confused , you described socialism perfectly, you seem to like the prospect Well the truth is that this is a thread about the most incompetent government we’ve ever had, it flies the capitalist flag, it has no prospects(quite the opposite)& is the furthest thing from perfection you could imagine.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Apr 24, 2019 8:36:21 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 24, 2019 12:58:34 GMT
Now I'm confused , you described socialism perfectly, you seem to like the prospect Well the truth is that this is a thread about the most incompetent government we’ve ever had, it flies the capitalist flag, it has no prospects(quite the opposite)& is the furthest thing from perfection you could imagine. I agree
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 25, 2019 16:43:31 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 25, 2019 16:47:22 GMT
Seems like its one rule for one political party in the press and one for another!!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 25, 2019 16:48:51 GMT
Seems like its one rule for one political party in the press and one for another!!! It does doesn't it but I think it's far more sinister than that I'm afraid, Essex.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 25, 2019 16:56:28 GMT
Food bank network hands out record 1.6m food parcels in a year
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 25, 2019 17:00:03 GMT
Seems like its one rule for one political party in the press and one for another!!! It does doesn't it but I think it's far more sinister than that I'm afraid, Essex. I keep saying this but people have a very short memory when it comes to Labour as the leader before corbin was Jewish and who was next in the pole oh yes his brother also jewish not bad for an anti jewish party is it. where the tories have and always will have a leaning to the far right and the racist views that they hold just look at the ERG !!
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 25, 2019 17:02:41 GMT
A steady rise in food bank use is a stark reminder that universal credit has been an abject failure link
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 25, 2019 17:51:56 GMT
It does doesn't it but I think it's far more sinister than that I'm afraid, Essex. I keep saying this but people have a very short memory when it comes to Labour as the leader before corbin was Jewish and who was next in the pole oh yes his brother also jewish not bad for an anti jewish party is it. where the tories have and always will have a leaning to the far right and the racist views that they hold just look at the ERG !! Where is the proof that the ERG is racist they might be a touch more right wing than you would like But I would be interested to see the proof there racist On the point of not be anti Semitic using the millibands as you’re proof Does that also mean the Tory party by having a Muslim son of a immigrant bus driver means the Tory’s are not anti immigrant or anti Islamic
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 26, 2019 7:10:30 GMT
I keep saying this but people have a very short memory when it comes to Labour as the leader before corbin was Jewish and who was next in the pole oh yes his brother also jewish not bad for an anti jewish party is it. where the tories have and always will have a leaning to the far right and the racist views that they hold just look at the ERG !! Where is the proof that the ERG is racist they might be a touch more right wing than you would like But I would be interested to see the proof there racist On the point of not be anti Semitic using the millibands as you’re proof Does that also mean the Tory party by having a Muslim son of a immigrant bus driver means the Tory’s are not anti immigrant or anti Islamic One major difference the home office minister was appointed by the PM not elected by the membership or voted on in other words thousands of Labour supporters voted for Jewish candidates not just the appointment of 1 person so totally different and idiotic to try and draw comparisons
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 26, 2019 7:25:59 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 26, 2019 7:39:10 GMT
Where is the proof that the ERG is racist they might be a touch more right wing than you would like But I would be interested to see the proof there racist On the point of not be anti Semitic using the millibands as you’re proof Does that also mean the Tory party by having a Muslim son of a immigrant bus driver means the Tory’s are not anti immigrant or anti Islamic One major difference the home office minister was appointed by the PM not elected by the membership or voted on in other words thousands of Labour supporters voted for Jewish candidates not just the appointment of 1 person so totally different and idiotic to try and draw comparisons Thousands of conservative voters elected the same son of a immigrant as there mp so by your train of thought the majority of Tory voters are pro immigrant and are not anti Islamic As are beloved Eu leaders keep telling us you can’t have your cake and eat it Or cherry pick either
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 26, 2019 9:55:46 GMT
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Post by 3putts on Apr 26, 2019 14:07:36 GMT
beggars belief that the entire world have become suspicious of Huawei over security fears but our lovable gaurdians welcome them with open arms? I wonder how much they are getting off Huawei to set up the next generation network. it seems tory ministers are more concerned about who leaked this info than they are about our national security.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 26, 2019 18:51:06 GMT
beggars belief that the entire world have become suspicious of Huawei over security fears but our lovable gaurdians welcome them with open arms? I wonder how much they are getting off Huawei to set up the next generation network. it seems tory ministers are more concerned about who leaked this info than they are about our national security. watched the bbc programme the other day and they are the best in the sector for this type of technology id be worried also if they weren't being considered as it would definitely be a backhander to the winning firm America are making big noises as they want there fitms, to get the contract for a inferia product
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Post by thevoid on Apr 26, 2019 19:00:02 GMT
It does doesn't it but I think it's far more sinister than that I'm afraid, Essex. I keep saying this but people have a very short memory when it comes to Labour as the leader before corbin was Jewish and who was next in the pole oh yes his brother also jewish not bad for an anti jewish party is it. where the tories have and always will have a leaning to the far right and the racist views that they hold just look at the ERG !! Joey I know you're as thick as a whale omlette, but what does Jewish representation in the Labour Party pre-Corbyn have to do with the current set up? The Labour Party before the fanatics of Momentum held sway was a completely different animal, and as far as I'm aware, when Labour was a centre-left party, there was no anti-semitism. It's only since Momentum's Quisling took over that the issues with anti-semitism began. Can you find any evidence of these alleged 'far right leanings' that are a constant feature of the Tory Party? If you did some research, I think you'll find that the ERG includes members from Muslim, Nigerian and Jewish backgrounds. Oh, and it's 'poll', not 'pole' 😎
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