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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 15, 2017 11:18:25 GMT
Many Stokies will allow that Saturdays result was a one off against a top side and unlikely to be repeated soon. But however you might label it Stoke are unconvincing, inconsistent, fragile, without an effective game plan. This may be largely due to a bad run of injuries or the worrying form or attitude of some players. But can we change or improve? 1. Change the Manager. Unrealistic as there are no obvious alternatives available. 2. Bring in reinforcements. If there was a useful free agent available then yes possibly. 3. Review the backroom team. Are we merely unlucky with the treatment given to players who take a prolongued spell to recover or can we do things better. 4. Add a new defensive Coach. This is a clear option. He/she could be told what the overall plan and system is and try to make it work effectively. Thanks to Marc Wilson it is widely believed that Stoke's defensive training is inadequate and it is certainly easy to believe that this might be true. We have a specialist goalkeeping coach so why not a coach for the defence. This can be done now without needing a transfer window. So why not. This can be a positive move. Leaving MH to focus on attacking issues.
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Post by stokemark on Oct 15, 2017 11:22:18 GMT
You eiither sack him (Hughes) or you don't
He takes responsibility for the team / coaching so surely bringing someone in that he doesn't necessarily see the need for undermines him ?
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 15, 2017 11:22:31 GMT
The mighty Sam Allardyce said that no defence would have cut out the balls that De Bruyne put over.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 15, 2017 11:22:37 GMT
Many Stokies will allow that Saturdays result was a one off against a top side and unlikely to be repeated soon. But however you might label it Stoke are unconvincing, inconsistent, fragile, without an effective game plan. This may be largely due to a bad run of injuries or the worrying form or attitude of some players. But can we change or improve? 1. Change the Manager. Unrealistic as there are no obvious alternatives available. 2. Bring in reinforcements. If there was a useful free agent available then yes possibly. 3. Review the backroom team. Are we merely unlucky with the treatment given to players who take a prolongued spell to recover or can we do things better. 4. Add a new defensive Coach. This is a clear option. He/she could be told what the overall plan and system is and try to make it work effectively. Thanks to Marc Wilson it is widely believed that Stoke's defensive training is inadequete and it is certainly easy to believe that this might be true. We have a specialist goalkeeping coach so why not a coach for the defence. This can be done now without needing a transfer window. So why not. This can be positive move. Leaving MH to focus on attacking issues. It is plainly obvious that we do not take defensive coaching seriously hence 12 battering's in just over a season, the problems lie with the management team at the club until that is addressed this trend will continue. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 11:26:14 GMT
We need Ryan fit.
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Post by biglad180 on Oct 15, 2017 17:48:26 GMT
the only thing we need is to get our players who are out with injury back on the field our best 11 will hold there own with most teams in the league
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 18:09:31 GMT
Sam Allardyce is wrong. This was a very poor Stoke outfit, and why the media is getting excited about this particular result is beyond me. We were clueless all over the place, and would have lost to quite a few teams in this league, with a similar performance. We were absolutely rubbish. Do not forget that! Rubbish! Embarrassingly so!!!!!!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 15, 2017 18:13:19 GMT
Yep, we look all over the place without him. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 16, 2017 10:25:52 GMT
I want M Hughes to have success with us.Give him the money in Jan. to buy players what are needed to for whatever system he decides to go with,if at the end of the season we have not improved,then it will be time to replace him,but not with the likes of big Sam or Sean Dyke.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 16, 2017 10:42:23 GMT
Many Stokies will allow that Saturdays result was a one off against a top side and unlikely to be repeated soon. But however you might label it Stoke are unconvincing, inconsistent, fragile, without an effective game plan. This may be largely due to a bad run of injuries or the worrying form or attitude of some players. But can we change or improve? 1. Change the Manager. Unrealistic as there are no obvious alternatives available. 2. Bring in reinforcements. If there was a useful free agent available then yes possibly. 3. Review the backroom team. Are we merely unlucky with the treatment given to players who take a prolongued spell to recover or can we do things better. 4. Add a new defensive Coach. This is a clear option. He/she could be told what the overall plan and system is and try to make it work effectively. Thanks to Marc Wilson it is widely believed that Stoke's defensive training is inadequete and it is certainly easy to believe that this might be true. We have a specialist goalkeeping coach so why not a coach for the defence. This can be done now without needing a transfer window. So why not. This can be positive move. Leaving MH to focus on attacking issues. It is plainly obvious that we do not take defensive coaching seriously hence 12 battering's in just over a season, the problems lie with the management team at the club until that is addressed this trend will continue. For god's sake carpy!!!!!! Why slag off the defence and completely ignore the fact that we've also been utterly toothless with absolutely no cutting edge going forward, for about 2 years now as well???? Disappointed in you mate  In all seriousness, yes Saturday was a one off in terms of conceding 7 but as you rightly say, it's certainly not a one off in terms of us getting a battering (and with most we don't have the excuse of them being an incredible side who are almost impossible to stop as Man City are currently). Some managers concentrate on stopping goals, some bank on the fact that if they do concede they at least have a chance of scoring more than the other team....not quite sure what we seem to be concentrating on though as it appears to be neither of those 2. |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 16, 2017 10:45:46 GMT
I want M Hughes to have success with us.Give him the money in Jan. to buy players what are needed to for whatever system he decides to go with,if at the end of the season we have not improved,then it will be time to replace him,but not with the likes of big Sam or Sean Dyke. At the end of the season could well be to late, the writing has been on the wall for eighteen months how he kept his job this season is a mystery, he has decided his system now includes wing backs and we have none he bought none but extended Johnsons contract for some strange reason. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 16, 2017 10:48:16 GMT
I want M Hughes to have success with us.Give him the money in Jan. to buy players what are needed to for whatever system he decides to go with,if at the end of the season we have not improved,then it will be time to replace him,but not with the likes of big Sam or Sean Dyke. What? Give him the money so he can buy "The New Imbula", a French Berahino, or a slimmer Wimmer? Hughes' inability to spend sizeable amounts effectively is probably his single biggest shortcoming. We were poor on Saturday, very poor, but don't forget that Citeh have been scoring for fun this season against pretty much everyone - including Liverpool - so I'm not going to get carried away about that particular result. I was all for Hughes going in the summer but unless you're really worried about relegation - and after eight games we're not - then there's no reason for a club like Stoke to fire a manager mid season (unless by not doing so you'll miss out on an ideal replacement who's available - and I'm not aware of one) - particularly with the - ahem -"winnable" games we've got coming up. If we're in the bottom three by Christmas then maybe re-evaluate - but almost whatever happens I don't want Hughes here next season as I would prefer to see next season's transfer budget in the hands of someone who has a modicum of a clue how to spend it. |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 16, 2017 10:49:38 GMT
It is plainly obvious that we do not take defensive coaching seriously hence 12 battering's in just over a season, the problems lie with the management team at the club until that is addressed this trend will continue. For god's sake carpy!!!!!! Why slag off the defence and completely ignore the fact that we've also been utterly toothless with absolutely no cutting edge going forward, for about 2 years now as well???? Disappointed in you mate In all seriousness, yes Saturday was a one off in terms of conceding 7 but as you rightly say, it's certainly not a one off in terms of us getting a battering (and with most we don't have the excuse of them being an incredible side who are almost impossible to stop as Man City are currently). Some managers concentrate on stopping goals, some bank on the fact that if they do concede they at least have a chance of scoring more than the other team....not quite sure what we seem to be concentrating on though as it appears to be neither of those 2. Sorry Mick you are correct it appears that we also do not practice attacking coaching, come to think of it the midfield look bereft of ideas as well. Where was Berahino on Saturday Hughes appears to have lost patience with his new expensive toys. |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 16, 2017 10:52:22 GMT
The mighty Sam Allardyce said that no defence would have cut out the balls that De Bruyne put over. Cutting off the supply is the usual way of doing so, any half decent manager would have identified the threat KD posed and attempted to nullify it we did not. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 16, 2017 10:55:59 GMT
The mighty Sam Allardyce said that no defence would have cut out the balls that De Bruyne put over. Big Sam is probably right so what do you do you stop the ball geting to de Bruyne If you can't stop the balls to him you get in his way if necessary you kick the little fucker so high he comes down with snow on What you don't do is give him all the space in the world stand there and virtually applaud his brilliance The thing that is finally finished me with Hughes is he sends a team out with no fight no passion and what's worst no apparent PRIDE |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 10:56:11 GMT
The mighty Sam Allardyce said that no defence would have cut out the balls that De Bruyne put over. Cutting off the supply is the usual way of doing so, any half decent manager would have identified the threat KD posed and attempted to nullify it we did not. Like Klopp, Silva and de Boer for example? |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 16, 2017 10:57:35 GMT
The mighty Sam Allardyce said that no defence would have cut out the balls that De Bruyne put over. Cutting off the supply is the usual way of doing so, any half decent manager would have identified the threat KD posed and attempted to nullify it we did not. The worrying thing is that before the game Bowen said how Jese and Shaq needed to be our first line of defence......would Shaq be in anyone's list to be any line of defence in any way (unless by defending he meant standing there and throwing his hands up in the air as people drift past him)????? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 11:22:40 GMT
Or Jese for that matter. In truth we look shite all over the place. I care about this club, and cannot stand this ineptitude by the manager and his staff. Much as I hate to say it, and you've all probably read my rallying call for the game on Saturday upcoming, if Bournemouth turn up and decide to play, I can see us losing. As I say, I hate to say this after their performance here last season, but I would not like to have a gamble on Stoke doing what we all want. What I will say again, is that we really need the bear pit atmosphere back for this one!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 16, 2017 12:11:49 GMT
The mighty Sam Allardyce said that no defence would have cut out the balls that De Bruyne put over. Maybe if we had someone who tried to get within 5 yards of him and Silva, we would have had a better chance. Lost 7-2 and only 1 booking for a rugby tackle after the hapless Afellay had given away possession yet again. As good as they were, we were pathetic. I can only recall one tackle worthy of the name all game. |
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Post by silverdollar on Oct 16, 2017 15:02:27 GMT
You may well end up so disappointed. Ryan was making numerous mistakes before his injury and wasn't performing particularly well in the three man back line. It's amazing how is absence has seen this myth grow about him being the answer. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 15:05:14 GMT
The question is where they that good or where we that bad?
After watching the extended highlights Man City played some sublime football and Kevin DeBruyne in particular was absolutely fantastic. To combat this you have to be at your absolute best and have a full strength team out that are fit and firing. Of course we weren't at our best and we are blighted with injuries.
For me Man City would have hammered almost anyone with the way they played let alone an understrength mid-table team with several key players out injured.
Sure there's always room for improvement but our season will not be defined against the likes of Man City.
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 16, 2017 15:12:29 GMT
We were not blighted by injuries. Shawcross and Allen were missing through injury from our first choice eleven.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 15:30:45 GMT
We were not blighted by injuries. Shawcross and Allen were missing through injury from our first choice eleven. So Wimmer was 100% as was BMI. We didn't have a man carried off? Plus Ryan and Allen?? Yeah fully fit team..... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 15:47:54 GMT
You may well end up so disappointed. Ryan was making numerous mistakes before his injury and wasn't performing particularly well in the three man back line. It's amazing how is absence has seen this myth grow about him being the answer. It's amazing some only choose to see the bad rather than he's the best defender at the club. |
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Post by thehoof on Oct 16, 2017 16:09:24 GMT
You may well end up so disappointed. Ryan was making numerous mistakes before his injury and wasn't performing particularly well in the three man back line. It's amazing how is absence has seen this myth grow about him being the answer. Rubbish - we had conceded 2 goals in the three games he had played. How is that numerous mistakes? |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 16, 2017 16:32:50 GMT
I think we have to play to our strengths which whether people like it or not , having to defend pretty deep because of lack of pace
Make Shaq the centre of.the team and play two up front with crouch on the pitch a lot more than he is , plenty of early crosses and try to get more bodies in the box when we are attacking .
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Post by silverdollar on Oct 16, 2017 17:27:25 GMT
You may well end up so disappointed. Ryan was making numerous mistakes before his injury and wasn't performing particularly well in the three man back line. It's amazing how is absence has seen this myth grow about him being the answer. It's amazing some only choose to see the bad rather than he's the best defender at the club. You'll find this is because this is your opinion and that other people do not hold or have the same opinion. |
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Post by silverdollar on Oct 16, 2017 17:29:45 GMT
You may well end up so disappointed. Ryan was making numerous mistakes before his injury and wasn't performing particularly well in the three man back line. It's amazing how is absence has seen this myth grow about him being the answer. Rubbish - we had conceded 2 goals in the three games he had played. How is that numerous mistakes? Fortunately not all mistakes lead to goals. |
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Post by waffles on Oct 16, 2017 17:45:35 GMT
Man city would have beaten Barcelona on Saturday.
The end
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 18:28:32 GMT
It's amazing some only choose to see the bad rather than he's the best defender at the club. You'll find this is because this is your opinion and that other people do not hold or have the same opinion. I know thats why I didn't say you were talking complete and utter bollocks and are peddling agenda driven shite. I totally respect your opinion. |
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