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Post by BraveSirRobin on Oct 13, 2017 15:03:25 GMT
You relay don't like our Les do you ? I don't like him as a manager, and I'm just defending Guardiola and Jose as they get a lot of stick, but they really are great managers. Yet neither have had to prove themselves at a crap club.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 13, 2017 15:08:21 GMT
I don't like him as a manager, and I'm just defending Guardiola and Jose as they get a lot of stick, but they really are great managers. Yet neither have had to prove themselves at a crap club. Jose proved himself at Porto. Not a crap club, but certainly not the best. There's a reason he's wanted by every top club. Don't be a fool.
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Post by daveandeddy on Oct 13, 2017 15:10:07 GMT
You relay don't like our Les do you ? I don't like him as a manager, and I'm just defending Guardiola and Jose as they get a lot of stick, but they really are great managers. Great ??? Put them in charge of Vale and see what they can do
success is all down to how much money is spunked
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 13, 2017 15:15:05 GMT
To attract the likes of Mourinho and Guardiola we would have to be in the mega club bracket who can attract and retain the best players in the world. We aren't and we will probably never will be. We are an unfashionable medium sized club in a relatively small unfashionable city. We also have a very good manager, a stable, well run club and some pretty decent players. It really doesn't get much better than this. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 13, 2017 15:20:57 GMT
We are managed by a top manager. The rest is mischief making bollox.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 13, 2017 15:24:54 GMT
I don't like him as a manager, and I'm just defending Guardiola and Jose as they get a lot of stick, but they really are great managers. Great ??? Put them in charge of Vale and see what they can do
success is all down to how much money is spunked
Why should they drop down to Vale? They've both worked hard and deserve to manage top clubs.
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Post by Fred Merger on Oct 13, 2017 15:25:50 GMT
Hughes has been able to attract more talented players to our club than any other manager we have had in recent years.You could argue that defensively he could have spent more but on the whole with the budget he has to work within,its highly unlikely that we will get a better option than Hughes.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 13, 2017 15:30:02 GMT
Both Mourinho & Guardiola WOULD make a big difference, it would be silly to say they wouldn't!!! They're top managers with top reputations who know top players, and if we had the money to back them, those top players would want to play for them!!! Well, some if not most would!!! Well as Clough said Stoke Fans didn’t deserve Waddo I don’t think he thought much of us so highly unlikely
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 17:09:00 GMT
I don't like him as a manager, and I'm just defending Guardiola and Jose as they get a lot of stick, but they really are great managers. Great ??? Put them in charge of Vale and see what they can do
success is all down to how much money is spunked
Why is managing in the bottom division a benchmark of a good manager all of a sudden? If Guardiola were to be managing a fourth division team his coaching methods and way of playing the game would instantly turn them into a better team. To suggest anything else is utter tripe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 17:10:15 GMT
Hughes has been able to attract more talented players to our club than any other manager we have had in recent years.You could argue that defensively he could have spent more but on the whole with the budget he has to work within,its highly unlikely that we will get a better option than Hughes. And yet he seemingly doesn't have much of a clue of how to get a regular tune out of them lately.
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Post by milky on Oct 13, 2017 18:07:39 GMT
Yet neither have had to prove themselves at a crap club. Jose proved himself at Porto. Not a crap club, but certainly not the best. There's a reason he's wanted by every top club. Don't be a fool. Hmmmmm..lets see.. Wanking over Pogba-check Wanking over Mourinho-check Not hard to see where your loyalties truly lie is it ? 😊
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Oct 13, 2017 18:40:14 GMT
Yet neither have had to prove themselves at a crap club. Jose proved himself at Porto. Not a crap club, but certainly not the best. There's a reason he's wanted by every top club. Don't be a fool. Don't be a fool to point out facts?wind your neck in kid.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 13, 2017 18:58:42 GMT
Hughes is a top manager as he's managed at top 10 PL and international level. Jose is a sulky plonker!Who's won more than Hughes will ever win. Hughes had a distinguished and very successful playing career. I wonder who is the happiest with their personal achievements
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Post by thedarkknight on Oct 13, 2017 19:00:42 GMT
I Don't know if he is in your idea of a "top" manager. But i would have loved us to have had Pochettino when he joined Southampton. The guys pure class.
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 13, 2017 23:20:49 GMT
Southgate will be available after the WC, so we may get the chance to find out.
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Post by march4 on Oct 13, 2017 23:36:13 GMT
Taking SCFC from certain relegation to the 3rd Division up to Prem mid-table, Europe and an FA Cup Final Taking Plymouth from certain relegation up to Championship mid table Taking Palace from certain relegation up to Prem mid-table Taking West Brom from certain relegation up to mid-table Prem.
These so-called 'top' managers might be capable of a couple of these but only the best manager on the planet can do all four.
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Post by marwood on Oct 13, 2017 23:56:37 GMT
Taking SCFC from certain relegation to the 3rd Division up to Prem mid-table, Europe and an FA Cup Final Taking Plymouth from certain relegation up to Championship mid table Taking Palace from certain relegation up to Prem mid-table Taking West Brom from certain relegation up to mid-table Prem. These so-called 'top' managers might be capable of a couple of these but only the best manager on the planet can do all four. Ryan Burge has yet to manage Palace
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 14, 2017 8:23:43 GMT
Mourinho would do well pretty much anywhere. As somebody mentioned above, his record at Porto shows that. It's also important that his biggest strength as a manager is his man management. If he had a complete mental breakdown, resigned from Man Utd and took a job at the Vale, he'd keep them up.
I'm not convinced that you could say the same for Guardiola, whose track record is winning things when given an excellent team and then leaving when they start to decline. He's only really got a tune out of Man City once he was able to spend squillions on full backs. Put him in charge of the Vale and he'd just get frustrated at the inability of his fourth division bloggers to carry out his complicated instructions and then resign when Smurthwaite can't afford to pay £300,000,000 to sign Messi or somebody.
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Post by southstanddan on Oct 14, 2017 9:44:19 GMT
They would both change the work ethic and style of our team and it would be for the better. A lot better. People who are saying Guardiola wouldn't make a difference are seriously stupid. Their 50 coaches probably do that
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Post by GoBoks on Oct 14, 2017 9:51:48 GMT
They would both change the work ethic and style of our team and it would be for the better. A lot better. People who are saying Guardiola wouldn't make a difference are seriously stupid. To quote a famous line "My Mama always says, Stupid is as stupid does", but to label everyone who does not share your opinion as stupid ..... well that's just downright .....stupid.
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Post by GoBoks on Oct 14, 2017 9:59:22 GMT
Taking SCFC from certain relegation to the 3rd Division up to Prem mid-table, Europe and an FA Cup Final Taking Plymouth from certain relegation up to Championship mid table Taking Palace from certain relegation up to Prem mid-table Taking West Brom from certain relegation up to mid-table Prem. These so-called 'top' managers might be capable of a couple of these but only the best manager on the planet can do all four. Bravo MArch! You gave me a good chuckle.
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Post by Fred Merger on Oct 14, 2017 10:38:08 GMT
Taking SCFC from certain relegation to the 3rd Division up to Prem mid-table, Europe and an FA Cup Final Taking Plymouth from certain relegation up to Championship mid table Taking Palace from certain relegation up to Prem mid-table Taking West Brom from certain relegation up to mid-table Prem. These so-called 'top' managers might be capable of a couple of these but only the best manager on the planet can do all four. And he still has never managed to get 50 points at premiership level and only managed one top ten finish as well!
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 14, 2017 10:55:08 GMT
Taking SCFC from certain relegation to the 3rd Division up to Prem mid-table, Europe and an FA Cup Final Taking Plymouth from certain relegation up to Championship mid table Taking Palace from certain relegation up to Prem mid-table Taking West Brom from certain relegation up to mid-table Prem. These so-called 'top' managers might be capable of a couple of these but only the best manager on the planet can do all four. Gotta laugh at your enthusiasm March, sometimes I can't help but think you're on the wind-up
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 11:17:06 GMT
Like Jose Mourinho,Pep Guardiola etc.without the Mega money they now get to spend,how do you think they would do? Can't see us challenging for the Title,but every chance of winning a Cup or two. The quality and the price of the players they'd demand would instantly put me Coates six foot under
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 14, 2017 15:59:40 GMT
They would both change the work ethic and style of our team and it would be for the better. A lot better. People who are saying Guardiola wouldn't make a difference are seriously stupid. To quote a famous line "My Mama always says, Stupid is as stupid does", but to label everyone who does not share your opinion as stupid ..... well that's just downright .....stupid. It's not an opinion it's a fact. Why do you think they're managing top clubs. Fool.
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Post by GoBoks on Oct 14, 2017 17:18:53 GMT
To quote a famous line "My Mama always says, Stupid is as stupid does", but to label everyone who does not share your opinion as stupid ..... well that's just downright .....stupid. It's not an opinion it's a fact. Why do you think they're managing top clubs. Fool. Strange facts indeed. You said they would change the work ethic at Stoke. As far as I am aware, none of the above managers have ever managed Stoke. So, is it your opinion that “they would change the work ethic” or is it a fact? Perhaps if you spent less time insulting people’s opinions and more time trying to master the basics of logical thinking, you’d be better able to hold your own in a discussion.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 14, 2017 17:45:17 GMT
It's not an opinion it's a fact. Why do you think they're managing top clubs. Fool. Strange facts indeed. You said they would change the work ethic at Stoke. As far as I am aware, none of the above managers have ever managed Stoke. So, is it your opinion that “they would change the work ethic” or is it a fact? Perhaps if you spent less time insulting people’s opinions and more time trying to master the basics of logical thinking, you’d be better able to hold your own in a discussion. It's a fact that they're top managers and the reason they manage clubs like Manchester City and Manchester United is because of their success as MANAGERS.
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Post by bigdev on Oct 14, 2017 18:17:20 GMT
Get the Watford manager Silva in. They look organised attacking and defending. They play at quick tempo and he is very vocal.
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Post by wembley1972 on Oct 14, 2017 19:42:37 GMT
I Don't know if he is in your idea of a "top" manager. But i would have loved us to have had Pochettino when he joined Southampton. The guys pure class. I agree, I would loved to have had Pochettino come here instead of Southampton. But people are asking about top managers coming to Stoke. Pochettino wasn't labelled as a top manager when he went to Southampton. He has earned that label. I can't ever see a top manager coming here, we are not big enough or attractive enough. We do have a decent manager in Hughes but he is at his limit, and to be honest Stoke are probably at our limit too. Coates seems to me to be a very careful chairman and for that reason I don't see him taking a chance on an up and coming manager. Therefore we have what we have and we are what we are. We can dream, every other team around our size are sharing the same dreams. Leicesters came true a couple of years ago. Perhaps ours will one day. My guess is the same five or six teams, with plenty of money in big cities will carry on attracting the best players and winning the league and most of the trophies. There are those with delusions of grandeur and those with a more pragmatic view. It doesn't mean we support our club less passionately. The differences of opinion cause some great debates and sometimes arguments and always will.
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Post by generationex on Oct 14, 2017 20:12:08 GMT
Get the Watford manager Silva in. They look organised attacking and defending. They play at quick tempo and he is very vocal. It’s a bit late. The owners had a big decision to make in the summer and an obvious prospect. They blew it. They must know Hughes has got to go - on failed signings alone - but I don’t know what the clear succession is now.
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