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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 4, 2017 14:48:23 GMT
Was this banner displayed in a football ground; or anywhere else in public? In public outside the ground but not inside which is another reason why Spurs should not ban the person involved. |
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Post by mattador78 on Oct 4, 2017 16:58:12 GMT
Technically it's factually correct 🤔 Actually it isn't. He didn't murder her. He caused the death of a friend by driving whilst under the influence. Very wrong and very stupid but not murder Correct I withdraw my comment as I will be honest I first heard it said killed a girl. Now if they had whipped a banner up with that on not much anyone could do about it really |
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Post by waffles on Oct 4, 2017 17:26:08 GMT
I love this "paid off the victims family" game. They don't just think they are above the law they actually are, you wouldn't get the opportunity because you are not famous and rich, what the fuck were the family thinking??? You wouldn't accept money surely? I'd stand up in court and say this bloody Muppet has killed my daughter driving a car when he was pissed up,he now has the temerity to offer me money to make it go away?
What are they spending the money on, new car, holidays??
He murdered her by being reckless with her life on his watch.
He's a scumbag.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 4, 2017 17:59:31 GMT
I love this "paid off the victims family" game. They don't just think they are above the law they actually are, you wouldn't get the opportunity because you are not famous and rich, what the fuck were the family thinking??? You wouldn't accept money surely? I'd stand up in court and say this bloody Muppet has killed my daughter driving a car when he was pissed up,he now has the temerity to offer me money to make it go away? What are they spending the money on, new car, holidays?? He murdered her by being reckless with her life on his watch. He's a scumbag. He was also friends with the family, I don't know if that made any difference, but he wasn't a stranger to them. Also he is not a murderer. He had no intent on killing anyone. |
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Post by waffles on Oct 4, 2017 18:07:56 GMT
Driving a car whilst pissed is being reckless with someone else's life, if they die you have murdered them,you didn't have to drive, you could buy a taxi company on a weeks wages,why drive?
It's murder and he made it worse by chucking money around.
He should have gone prison for offering money for it.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 4, 2017 19:07:58 GMT
Driving a car whilst pissed is being reckless with someone else's life, if they die you have murdered them,you didn't have to drive, you could buy a taxi company on a weeks wages,why drive? It's murder and he made it worse by chucking money around. He should have gone prison for offering money for it. She made the decision to get into his car. Would you get into somebody's car when you know they're intoxicated? It is not murder. It would've been murder if he had intent of killing his passengers. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2017 19:55:15 GMT
Technically it's factually correct 🤔 Actually it isn't. He didn't murder her. He caused the death of a friend by driving whilst under the influence. Very wrong and very stupid but not murder It's semantics. It doesn't make her any less dead nor him any less responsible. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 4, 2017 19:57:49 GMT
Actually it isn't. He didn't murder her. He caused the death of a friend by driving whilst under the influence. Very wrong and very stupid but not murder It's semantics. It doesn't make her any less dead nor him any less responsible. But it was a mistake not an intention. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2017 20:20:14 GMT
It's semantics. It doesn't make her any less dead nor him any less responsible. But it was a mistake not an intention. Manslaughtering cunt then  |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2017 20:37:50 GMT
It's semantics. It doesn't make her any less dead nor him any less responsible. But it was a mistake not an intention. But it was exacerbated by the fact that he was pissed which makes him reckless. By the letter of the law he's clearly not a murderer but his reckless selfish actions have resulted in the death of another person. The fact that he may not have meant it doesn't make her any less dead. If we had a fight, I punched you, you fell and hit your head and died, I'd likely be convicted of manslaughter and given a lengthy prison sentence. What's the difference other than the involvement of a car? |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 4, 2017 20:42:22 GMT
But it was a mistake not an intention. But it was exacerbated by the fact that he was pissed which makes him reckless. By the letter of the law he's clearly not a murderer but his reckless selfish actions have resulted in the death of another person. The fact that he may not have meant it doesn't make her any less dead. If we had a fight, I punched you, you fell and hit your head and died, I'd likely be convicted of manslaughter and given a lengthy prison sentence. What's the difference other than the involvement of a car? She decided to get into his car. She could've made him get a taxi for themselves. They should all have been aware of the implications. With a fight, you're still intending to cause harm, depending if it's a cheap shot or an actual fight where both people are trying to hit each other. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2017 20:57:51 GMT
But it was exacerbated by the fact that he was pissed which makes him reckless. By the letter of the law he's clearly not a murderer but his reckless selfish actions have resulted in the death of another person. The fact that he may not have meant it doesn't make her any less dead. If we had a fight, I punched you, you fell and hit your head and died, I'd likely be convicted of manslaughter and given a lengthy prison sentence. What's the difference other than the involvement of a car? She decided to get into his car. She could've made him get a taxi for themselves. They should all have been aware of the implications. With a fight, you're still intending to cause harm, depending if it's a cheap shot or an actual fight where both people are trying to hit each other. Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought, either expressed or implied. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention. It is normally divided into two categories; constructive manslaughter and criminally negligent manslaughter, both of which involve criminal liability. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 4, 2017 21:01:19 GMT
She decided to get into his car. She could've made him get a taxi for themselves. They should all have been aware of the implications. With a fight, you're still intending to cause harm, depending if it's a cheap shot or an actual fight where both people are trying to hit each other. Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought, either expressed or implied. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention. It is normally divided into two categories; constructive manslaughter and criminally negligent manslaughter, both of which involve criminal liability. And the point is he's not a murderer, they both made a mistake and it doesn't really have a place on a banner for a football game. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 21:18:37 GMT
It's not murder or manslaughter
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2017 21:20:03 GMT
Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought, either expressed or implied. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention. It is normally divided into two categories; constructive manslaughter and criminally negligent manslaughter, both of which involve criminal liability. And the point is he's not a murderer, they both made a mistake and it doesn't really have a place on a banner for a football game. Like I said it's semantics. If she was my daughter I might be calling him a murderer as well even though technically he isn't. Why does it not have a place at football? Do we not have a right to know about it and what sort of person he is? Just because he's a footballer should he be immune from any criticism of his private life. If I got pissed and killed somebody I'd be sacked (and probably banged up as well). He seems to have got away with it at the expense of less than a weeks wages. Apart from the incorrect terminology it's factually accurate and I certainly hadn't heard about it before all this blew up. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 4, 2017 21:30:40 GMT
And the point is he's not a murderer, they both made a mistake and it doesn't really have a place on a banner for a football game. Like I said it's semantics. If she was my daughter I might be calling him a murderer as well even though technically he isn't. Why does it not have a place at football? Do we not have a right to know about it and what sort of person he is? Just because he's a footballer should he be immune from any criticism of his private life. If I got pissed and killed somebody I'd be sacked (and probably banged up as well). He seems to have got away with it at the expense of less than a weeks wages. Apart from the incorrect terminology it's factually accurate and I certainly hadn't heard about it before all this blew up. Why do we need to know about it? You go to a game to watch football. Also we don't know what sort of person he is. Like I said we all make mistakes, some more serious than others. I'm sure he's well aware that he fucked up, but we don't know how he is handling it off the pitch. It's also not fair on the victims family. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 5, 2017 9:14:17 GMT
Like I said it's semantics. If she was my daughter I might be calling him a murderer as well even though technically he isn't. Why does it not have a place at football? Do we not have a right to know about it and what sort of person he is? Just because he's a footballer should he be immune from any criticism of his private life. If I got pissed and killed somebody I'd be sacked (and probably banged up as well). He seems to have got away with it at the expense of less than a weeks wages. Apart from the incorrect terminology it's factually accurate and I certainly hadn't heard about it before all this blew up. Why do we need to know about it? You go to a game to watch football. Also we don't know what sort of person he is. Like I said we all make mistakes, some more serious than others. I'm sure he's well aware that he fucked up, but we don't know how he is handling it off the pitch. It's also not fair on the victims family. Mate I got bored and went to bed and this morning I've got better things to do than carry this argument on. Needless to say you're wrong  |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 5, 2017 11:51:32 GMT
Why do we need to know about it? You go to a game to watch football. Also we don't know what sort of person he is. Like I said we all make mistakes, some more serious than others. I'm sure he's well aware that he fucked up, but we don't know how he is handling it off the pitch. It's also not fair on the victims family. Mate I got bored and went to bed and this morning I've got better things to do than carry this argument on. Needless to say you're wrong Well I go to a game to support my team and watch football, not bash a young lad and remind him of such a horrible tragedy and maybe bring attention to the victims family. No place to act like a thug. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 5, 2017 12:41:28 GMT
Mate I got bored and went to bed and this morning I've got better things to do than carry this argument on. Needless to say you're wrong Well I go to a game to support my team and watch football, not bash a young lad and remind him of such a horrible tragedy and maybe bring attention to the victims family. No place to act like a thug. Top marks for Mr Perfect. |
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