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Post by leoncort on Oct 2, 2017 9:48:03 GMT
I know the lad hasnt played much football over the last 2 seasons. But him and Zouma seem poles apart so far this season considering they both came from the fringes of two top 4 teams and Zouma has also not played that much football having suffered a nasty knee injury.
On Saturday he caused more problems than he solved, looked worried on the ball and his clearances left us under pressure. I hope its just the lack of premier league games and by no means am i writing the lad off, but for 17m i was expecting a player to come in and hit the ground running. i hope he comes good in the enxt few weeks and we've not just been daniel levy'd again.
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Post by Gods on Oct 2, 2017 9:51:56 GMT
I don't think Wimmer played more than about 10 hours 1st team football in the 2 years he was at Spurs. He made 15 appearances but several were as substitute such as his cameo in their 4-0 win against us last season at the Lane.
I'm not really sure how his value went up 5 times over that period and how we judged if he is any good or not but that's another story.
He must be rusty at the very least. I think we need to hang in there a bit longer before we dunk him on the Imbula/Berahino high cost/low value pile. His attitude is first class and that gives me cause for hope.
You might say Zouma hadn't played much 1st team football either but I think he is a one off freak of nature and any direct comparisons are unfair!
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Post by pez75 on Oct 2, 2017 9:58:58 GMT
The early indications are not good. Looked a right plum on saturday.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 2, 2017 10:02:11 GMT
Plus he was clearly not fully fit from his hamstring injury but was rushed back because of our centre half shortage. I was giving him pelters at the match but on reflection and in more rational frame of mind he didn't do too bad in the circumstances. Anyone would look second rate compared to Zouma.
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Post by leoncort on Oct 2, 2017 10:08:43 GMT
Yeah, Zouma is probably a 30m+ player in my opinion, so comparing the two is harsh on Wimmer. However from what i have seen so far BMI looks far more assured and we didnt pay Daniel Levy prices for him.
hopefully with games under his belt he will improve, but in this league you cant be carrying players, particularly not a CB.
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Post by adamsson on Oct 2, 2017 10:11:38 GMT
Having moved Wollschied out the fans really needed a defender to BOO! Wimmer seems to have been selected for this role.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 2, 2017 10:12:57 GMT
I can only hope that his injury affected his performance as so far, he just sort of gets in the way. We could (and should ) have played a centre back pairing of Cameron and Zouma and thrown in an extra body in midfield from the start, but that would have meant playing Johnson from the off. Assuming Wimmer was fully fit then Geoff could have gone to right back and Afellay could have started. We'd have had a bit more of the ball and maybe we'd have not looked so desperate at the end (yes, I know Afellay was on then).
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 2, 2017 10:13:57 GMT
Wimbo looked a bit off the pace on Satdee but considering everything he did OK. It's actually appalling some of us are writing him off already.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 10:16:03 GMT
Having moved Wollschied out the fans really needed a defender to BOO! Wimmer seems to have been selected for this role. We've always needed a boo boy for some reason. Even Huthy was getting it in the neck when Pulis decided he was a right back
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 2, 2017 10:16:11 GMT
Having moved Wollschied out the fans really needed a defender to BOO! Wimmer seems to have been selected for this role. Yes I think we need to give him a run of games when he's fully fit before we start taking the piss out of his camp running style
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2017 10:16:21 GMT
I thought he was really good against Man Yoo.
I haven't seen him in any other games bar that one and the game on Saturday. But he was pretty poor. He still defended like his life depended on it though when needed so that was good.
But his passing was absolutely atrocious and he couldn't get off the ground when he was jumping.
But he did look ridiculously unfit.
I'd be really tempted to play him in the Checkatrade on Tuesday if he's not been called up to Austria.
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Post by adamsson on Oct 2, 2017 10:22:04 GMT
I thought he was really good against Man Yoo. I haven't seen him in any other games bar that one and the game on Saturday. But he was pretty poor. He still defended like his life depended on it though when needed so that was good. But his passing was absolutely atrocious and he couldn't get off the ground when he was jumping. But he did look ridiculously unfit. I'd be really tempted to play him in the Checkatrade on Tuesday if he's not been called up to Austria. or let his hamstring recover?
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 2, 2017 10:30:13 GMT
Having moved Wollschied out the fans really needed a defender to BOO! Wimmer seems to have been selected for this role. Johnson is the natural successor to Wolfy in the useless defender stakes.
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Post by steinosjockstrap on Oct 2, 2017 10:34:12 GMT
Yes,he's clearly being earmarked by the boo-boys. I heard someone giving him loads on Saturday for a misplaced pass,but it was Geoff who did it!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2017 10:41:08 GMT
I thought he was really good against Man Yoo. I haven't seen him in any other games bar that one and the game on Saturday. But he was pretty poor. He still defended like his life depended on it though when needed so that was good. But his passing was absolutely atrocious and he couldn't get off the ground when he was jumping. But he did look ridiculously unfit. I'd be really tempted to play him in the Checkatrade on Tuesday if he's not been called up to Austria. or let his hamstring recover? If it wasn't recovered for the weekend, he shouldn't have played. He looks like he needs games to me. He'd get a week off after the game on Tuesday anyway.
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Post by leoncort on Oct 2, 2017 10:41:15 GMT
I said from the start of this thread i wasnt writing him off. I was just hoping to hear if others were also expecting more from him since hes come in. I think criticism is fair of his performances to date but i'm hoping its hamstring/fitness related, i'm hoping he comes good.
Others have been slated by boo boys in the past, Allen & Pieters particularly but i thought Allen was very good on saturday and broke up the play well. Similarly Erik has had a very solid and decent start to this season having been a scapegoat for most of last.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 2, 2017 10:49:35 GMT
I don't rate him (I said that before we signed him) but to criticise him for Saturday's performance is extremely harsh when he clearly wasn't anywhere close to being fully fit. His injury hampered his ability to run and jump which is a slight issue for a defender.
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 2, 2017 10:53:13 GMT
That we even need "boo boys" is pretty despicable and not something I want any part of.
Whilst it's obviously fine to have opinions on specific players, it's not right to behave the way we often do. If we are supporters of this club we should be behind the players. If we want to metaphorically 'boo' players, how about the opposition, rather than our own men?
Not every transfer will work out as hoped, we have seen that for certain, however we have plenty that HAVE worked out, and also in the case of players like Wimmer we need to give them time and we need to let them get physically fit and match fit.
To write Wimmer off after so little time is frankly mind-boggling.
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Post by mrred on Oct 2, 2017 11:04:31 GMT
Wimbo looked a bit off the pace on Satdee but considering everything he did OK. It's actually appalling some of us are writing him off already. What's a Wimbo? Sounds like some Australian hohinkey.
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Post by rawli on Oct 2, 2017 11:04:38 GMT
That we even need "boo boys" is pretty despicable and not something I want any part of. Whilst it's obviously fine to have opinions on specific players, it's not right to behave the way we often do. If we are supporters of this club we should be behind the players. If we want to metaphorically 'boo' players, how about the opposition, rather than our own men? Not every transfer will work out as hoped, we have seen that for certain, however we have plenty that HAVE worked out, and also in the case of players like Wimmer we need to give them time and we need to let them get physically fit and match fit. To write Wimmer off after so little time is frankly mind-boggling. People can't wait. It's a bonus that he cost nearly £20 million. For some reason a lot of the crowd call for spending big (in this case we haven't spent big, but that's a different story) then revel in the Billy Big Bollocks we buy not doing well.
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Post by lordb on Oct 2, 2017 11:21:51 GMT
Cameron & Wimmer were clearly not really fit on Saturday
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Post by shrewspotter on Oct 2, 2017 11:28:02 GMT
Thought he did ok on Saturday apart from a few loose passes late on. Southampton didn't have that many clear cut chances and Wimmer was part of that back line
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 2, 2017 11:55:46 GMT
I think when a player comes in at a pricetag of 18M then we are expecting a relative world-beater.
18M is a HUGE sum of money for Stoke
Expectations will be higher
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Post by adamsson on Oct 2, 2017 12:19:01 GMT
I think when a player comes in at a pricetag of 18M then we are expecting a relative world-beater. 18M is a HUGE sum of money for Stoke Expectations will be higher Why? If Wimmer had joined on a free transfer would the club have given us a refund on our season tickets? If he had cost £36 million would they have doubled the price of the pies? Why do we care what the transfer was? And if he had come on a free transfer wouldn't be everyone have been moaning about not spending enough? Note/ Not actually arguing that expectations aren't higher when a big fee is involved just wondering why the fans care it's not their money.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 2, 2017 12:40:20 GMT
I think when a player comes in at a pricetag of 18M then we are expecting a relative world-beater. 18M is a HUGE sum of money for Stoke Expectations will be higher Why? If Wimmer had joined on a free transfer would the club have given us a refund on our season tickets? If he had cost £36 million would they have doubled the price of the pies? Why do we care what the transfer was? And if he had come on a free transfer wouldn't be everyone have been moaning about not spending enough? Note/ Not actually arguing that expectations aren't higher when a big fee is involved just wondering why the fans care it's not their money. Well in this particular case we went and spunked 18M on another central defender when we are in desperate need of a striker and wingbacks. Its not our money but it doesnt fill supporters with confidence that the management team have a clue when it comes to spending big. Also its not Wimmers fault he came with that fee. But yeah he has to live with the expectations. Same as Pogba at Man United, Bale at Real Madrid, John Stones at Man City. BIG FEEs increase expectations from supporters and the media whether it is right or not
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Post by adamsson on Oct 2, 2017 12:51:20 GMT
Why? If Wimmer had joined on a free transfer would the club have given us a refund on our season tickets? If he had cost £36 million would they have doubled the price of the pies? Why do we care what the transfer was? And if he had come on a free transfer wouldn't be everyone have been moaning about not spending enough? Note/ Not actually arguing that expectations aren't higher when a big fee is involved just wondering why the fans care it's not their money. Well in this particular case we went and spunked 18M on another central defender when we are in desperate need of a striker and wingbacks. Its not our money but it doesnt fill supporters with confidence that the management team have a clue when it comes to spending big. Also its not Wimmers fault he came with that fee. But yeah he has to live with the expectations. Same as Pogba at Man United, Bale at Real Madrid, John Stones at Man City. BIG FEEs increase expectations from supporters and the media whether it is right or not Well you are quite right we do have far too many central defenders.
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Post by lordb on Oct 2, 2017 12:55:23 GMT
Well in this particular case we went and spunked 18M on another central defender when we are in desperate need of a striker and wingbacks. Its not our money but it doesnt fill supporters with confidence that the management team have a clue when it comes to spending big. Also its not Wimmers fault he came with that fee. But yeah he has to live with the expectations. Same as Pogba at Man United, Bale at Real Madrid, John Stones at Man City. BIG FEEs increase expectations from supporters and the media whether it is right or not Well you are quite right we do have far too many central defenders. I hope that's sarcasm? Is this a whoosh moment😀 Anyway is £18m a big fee anymore? It is by Stoke standards of course.
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Post by tqstokie on Oct 2, 2017 13:33:35 GMT
Why Souttar was not even on the bench on Saturday beggars belief when we have central defenders who are not fully fit. Hughes really needs to have a bit more faith. They should be good enough at eighteen to try them in the team. Sweeney also needs to be given a chance next season instead of being farmed out. It seems Shawcross is going to be limited in how many games he can play and his problems need careful management. Hughes really must try the young players both Tymon and Edwards deserve to be given a chance together with Verlinden and N'goy when fully fit.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 2, 2017 14:00:42 GMT
Wimbo looked a bit off the pace on Satdee but considering everything he did OK. It's actually appalling some of us are writing him off already. What's a Wimbo? Sounds like some Australian hohinkey. Leave Joe alone! At least he wasn't advocating a wimbo away, wimbo way, awimbo way. In the jungle the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 2, 2017 16:15:57 GMT
What's a Wimbo? Sounds like some Australian hohinkey. Leave Joe alone! At least he wasn't advocating a wimbo away, wimbo way, awimbo way. In the jungle the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight! Get your coat now young man.
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