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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2017 20:39:39 GMT
So when the inevitable happens next season and we sell Butland for pean.....squillions, who do you want to be the replacement.
My choice would be Mattia Perin at Genoa.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2017 20:41:17 GMT
Lee Grant😄
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Post by unknown182 on Sept 20, 2017 20:48:24 GMT
Get Bego back in if Bournemouth drop.
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Post by adamsson on Sept 20, 2017 21:09:56 GMT
So when the inevitable happens next season and we sell Butland for pean.....squillions, who do you want to be the replacement. My choice would be Mattia Perin at Genoa. Ambitious |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 20, 2017 21:19:52 GMT
Grant is a calamity keeper. His pathetic kicking was a major fault in the goals last night.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 21:21:31 GMT
So when the inevitable happens next season and we sell Butland for pean.....squillions, who do you want to be the replacement. My choice would be Mattia Perin at Genoa. I thought you disliked us signing injury prone players like Afellay? He's torn cruciate ligaments in both knees and missed a load of football (including the Euros) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 21:23:36 GMT
Grant is a calamity keeper. His pathetic kicking was a major fault in the goals last night. You've made it clear like Grant but to call him a calamity keeper based on the Brizzle game is ridiculous. His kick was shite for the first goal but the defence parting like the Red Sea had a major part to play in it as well...... |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 20, 2017 21:28:04 GMT
Grant is a calamity keeper. His pathetic kicking was a major fault in the goals last night. You've made it clear like Grant but to call him a calamity keeper based on the Brizzle game is ridiculous. His kick was shite for the first goal but the defence parting like the Red Sea had a major part to play in it as well...... He's toss mate, hence being a Championship 3rd choice before joining us. Butland does better on both those goals last night. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2017 21:33:52 GMT
He wasn't their third choice keeper. Not sure where that myth has arisen from.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 20, 2017 21:42:54 GMT
You've made it clear like Grant but to call him a calamity keeper based on the Brizzle game is ridiculous. His kick was shite for the first goal but the defence parting like the Red Sea had a major part to play in it as well...... He's toss mate, hence being a Championship 3rd choice before joining us. Â Butland does better on both those goals last night. Can't see where you're getting toss from, he was superb last season and apparently made some decent saves last night. Butlands a better keeper, but his own kick outs this year haven't been great. |
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Post by duckling on Sept 20, 2017 22:25:56 GMT
Tom Heaton. One of the most underrated players in English football.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2017 22:32:29 GMT
You've made it clear like Grant but to call him a calamity keeper based on the Brizzle game is ridiculous. His kick was shite for the first goal but the defence parting like the Red Sea had a major part to play in it as well...... He's toss mate, hence being a Championship 3rd choice before joining us. Butland does better on both those goals last night. Butland's kicking hasn't been anything to write home about either. |
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Post by lagwafis on Sept 20, 2017 22:35:53 GMT
Get Bego back in if Bournemouth drop. This wouldn't surprise me at all. |
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Post by duckling on Sept 20, 2017 23:07:21 GMT
He's toss mate, hence being a Championship 3rd choice before joining us. Â Butland does better on both those goals last night. Of course Butland does better. That's why Butland will go for a record fee to a big club. Saying Grant is shit because he's not as good as Butland is like saying Aguero is shit because he's not as good as Messi. If Butland goes in January, which I think is unlikely, I'd let Grant have the rest of the season and then shop for someone younger/better in the summer. Heaton would be my first target. Romero at Man United would be worth a look too. Robles at Everton and Ospina at Arsenal wouldn't be a huge upgrade on Grant in terms of skill, but they have more years left in them. The reality is, whoever replaces Butland will not be as good as Butland. That's why Butland will leave; his level is at the very top. Stoke fans need to accept that (hopefully only small) drop in quality. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 20, 2017 23:16:56 GMT
Our options will depend upon which division we are in.
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Post by tuum on Sept 21, 2017 1:53:38 GMT
Heaton would not come to Stoke. His ambition would be set higher than us.
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Post by duckling on Sept 21, 2017 2:04:01 GMT
Our options will depend upon which division we are in. If it's the Championship, which I doubt it will be, then Grant is perfect for that. |
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Post by duckling on Sept 21, 2017 2:22:49 GMT
Heaton would not come to Stoke. His ambition would be set higher than us. I would have thought so too, but he's still with Burnley when he could be somewhere higher. Maybe he enjoys being a big fish in a small pond with lots of saves to make every game rather than the least famous guy in the dressing room that is only called upon twice a game. If Burnley finish solid mid table this season, then I think you're right, he wouldn't move to Stoke and would only move to a bigger team. Among goalkeepers with Premier League experience, the best realistic prospects are 2nd choice goalkeepers that are unlikely to get game time not because they're bad but because they're behind someone much better. Romero, Ospina, and Robles, would merit serious interest, especially Romero. I've seen Romero play quite a bit for Argentina and have consistently been impressed. The fact that he's seemingly happy being 2nd choice at Man United, when he easily could be first choice at a mid table club, suggests that maybe a move to Stoke wouldn't appeal to him. Ospina is inconsistent and prone to some howlers as well as some great games. I think he's good enough to start for a mid table team. He's also linked every window to a move where he would be first choice, so I think he would prefer to be playing. He's on £40k per week at Arsenal which seems affordable for Stoke. Robles is pretty underrated and, based on the games I've seen, which admittedly isn't a huge number, is more consistent than Ospina. |
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 21, 2017 6:40:03 GMT
Heaton would not come to Stoke. His ambition would be set higher than us. I would have thought so too, but he's still with Burnley when he could be somewhere higher. Maybe he enjoys being a big fish in a small pond with lots of saves to make every game rather than the least famous guy in the dressing room that is only called upon twice a game. If Burnley finish solid mid table this season, then I think you're right, he wouldn't move to Stoke and would only move to a bigger team. Among goalkeepers with Premier League experience, the best realistic prospects are 2nd choice goalkeepers that are unlikely to get game time not because they're bad but because they're behind someone much better. Romero, Ospina, and Robles, would merit serious interest, especially Romero. I've seen Romero play quite a bit for Argentina and have consistently been impressed. The fact that he's seemingly happy being 2nd choice at Man United, when he easily could be first choice at a mid table club, suggests that maybe a move to Stoke wouldn't appeal to him. Ospina is inconsistent and prone to some howlers as well as some great games. I think he's good enough to start for a mid table team. He's also linked every window to a move where he would be first choice, so I think he would prefer to be playing. He's on £40k per week at Arsenal which seems affordable for Stoke. Robles is pretty underrated and, based on the games I've seen, which admittedly isn't a huge number, is more consistent than Ospina. Got a pal who’s and Everton fan, and they are not particularly complimentary about Robles. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 21, 2017 13:00:50 GMT
When, not if, Jack goes for big money, I reckon we should give Grant a chance to make the keeper's spot his own and look to bring in a young understudy to develop into the long-term first choice, just like when we bought Jack. Bursik is highly thought of, but is probably 4/5 years off and would be better going on loan first in the lower leagues in a couple of years' time.
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Post by Jimm on Sept 21, 2017 13:41:44 GMT
Alban Lafont
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 14:20:16 GMT
You've made it clear like Grant but to call him a calamity keeper based on the Brizzle game is ridiculous. His kick was shite for the first goal but the defence parting like the Red Sea had a major part to play in it as well...... He's toss mate, hence being a Championship 3rd choice before joining us. Butland does better on both those goals last night. Player of the Season yet he's "toss"? He might have his limitations but you're not being fair there fella.... |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 21, 2017 15:03:43 GMT
When, not if, Jack goes for big money, I reckon we should give Grant a chance to make the keeper's spot his own and look to bring in a young understudy to develop into the long-term first choice, just like when we bought Jack. Bursik is highly thought of, but is probably 4/5 years off and would be better going on loan first in the lower leagues in a couple of years' time. I can't see Lee Grant being our first choice 'keeper for any length of time mate. He'll be another year older and content I reckon to be back up in the Premiership. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 21, 2017 15:34:13 GMT
Dean Henderson from Shrewsbury Town is a good keeper, but a bit like many, one for the future
He is 20, very highly thought of, kept umpteen clean sheets for Shrewsbury BUT probably not ready to step up just yet
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 21, 2017 15:34:44 GMT
When, not if, Jack goes for big money, I reckon we should give Grant a chance to make the keeper's spot his own and look to bring in a young understudy to develop into the long-term first choice, just like when we bought Jack. Bursik is highly thought of, but is probably 4/5 years off and would be better going on loan first in the lower leagues in a couple of years' time. I can't see Lee Grant being our first choice 'keeper for any length of time mate. He'll be another year older and content I reckon to be back up in the Premiership. For a year or two whilst we bed in a younger replacement, maybe? Otherwise, we will have to spend big on a ready made replacement for Jack, most likely next summer, and from the Pickford fee you can see what young English keepers cost - ie out of our price range, even with 40m or so burning a hole in our pocket for Jack, which could be far better used for wing backs, central midfield reinforcements and a striker. |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 21, 2017 15:53:39 GMT
I have a hunch that the owners will be unable to resist the temptation of promoting Grant to no1 recruit a freebie
reserve keeper and make the 30m disappear into some financial blackhole in the interest of self sufficiency.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 21, 2017 16:08:52 GMT
Dean Henderson from Shrewsbury Town is a good keeper, but a bit like many, one for the future He is 20, very highly thought of, kept umpteen clean sheets for Shrewsbury BUT probably not ready to step up just yet I can remember another highly rated young 'keeper coming from the Shrews. |
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Post by jeycov on Sept 21, 2017 16:15:30 GMT
We have an excellent Goalkeeping coach here in Andy Quy and I'm sure we will be scouting potential replacements who will want to come here
Vital that we keep Jack here until the summer
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Post by daveandeddy on Sept 21, 2017 16:23:28 GMT
Grant would be a big mistake for me
He had a superb season for last year and I would be amazed if his form held up should the opportunity arise again
If they became available I would take Heaton or Begovic over Grant all day long
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Post by luke45 on Sept 21, 2017 17:46:58 GMT
I reckon Juventus will make Perin one of their top targets to replace Buffon providing he stays fit.
As has already been said above, Andy Quy is very highly thought of in the game and in the ten years he's been with us as goalkeeper coach we've had a very good track record of purchasing quality first team goalkeepers which I'm sure he's played a part in. I'd love to think Butland will still be at Stoke beyond next summer but it's hard to imagine isn't it.
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