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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 18, 2017 11:03:06 GMT
Would we score more goals with these 2 up front, given that we now have Choupa and/or Jese to supply them?
Could be put in a 3-5-2, 4-4-2 or even a 4-3-1-2. Just think we caused havoc with these two at the death against Newcastle, and Diouf's inclusion would make up for Pete's lack of pace.
I know it won't happen, but surely it's worth a go?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 18, 2017 11:24:46 GMT
Let me know your full line up when you have time and how we continue with three at the back, first of all. Then tell me how we accommodate the four top-class centre-backs we have (when Ryan is available) into a back four? I'll say it again...without good and proper wing backs who can add to our attacking capability and deliver from out wide, three at the back is creating as many problems as people think it's solved. We're light in midfield options and have no central striker worth his salt. I'm really not sure how things will improve that much to be honest.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2017 11:31:49 GMT
Head tennis anyone?
I love Diouf, but we saw again on Saturday why Hughes won't put him in as a striker, he keeps missing chances; just like Joselu I might add!
He has huge energy to be a wing-back and has been reasonably effective at the role. I don't blame him for the 1st goal on Saturday, at least he was challenging for the ball to try and prevent the goal, unlike the CBs or GK, who stood and watched the ball being crossed.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 18, 2017 11:33:27 GMT
Fucking hell, just a thought.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 18, 2017 11:39:18 GMT
The thing is mate, you need to back up your thoughts with a reasoned argument! I'm really not sure what permutation will work best for us but I do know we don't have the right personnel to make the strides we'd hoped for.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 18, 2017 11:52:48 GMT
The thing is mate, you need to back up your thoughts with a reasoned argument! I'm really not sure what permutation will work best for us but I do know we don't have the right personnel to make the strides we'd hoped for. Ramadan as a wing back? Oh, I totally agree and have pointed out similar worries many times. I just don't like Jese as the lone striker very much and was trying to configure a way of getting the best out of what we have. I could have padded it out more, I agree. Not after head tennis, either.  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 18, 2017 12:03:31 GMT
Head tennis anyone? I love Diouf, but we saw again on Saturday why Hughes won't put him in as a striker, he keeps missing chances; just like Joselu I might add! He has huge energy to be a wing-back and has been reasonably effective at the role. I don't blame him for the 1st goal on Saturday, at least he was challenging for the ball to try and prevent the goal, unlike the CBs or GK, who stood and watched the ball being crossed. Yeah, people make mistakes and it was a pinpoint cross. I like Diouf as well, not knocking him at all. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 18, 2017 12:13:13 GMT
The thing is mate, you need to back up your thoughts with a reasoned argument! I'm really not sure what permutation will work best for us but I do know we don't have the right personnel to make the strides we'd hoped for. I said during the transfer window that we didn't have the personnel for ANY formation, and I still think that rings true. I wouldn't be suggesting such nonsense if we had bought a center forward and a midfield beast this window.  |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 18, 2017 12:32:06 GMT
I ended up hating our 4231.
Wouldn't mind a return if the fullbacks were more disciplined and the wingers provided more width.
Crouchie could play deeper, kind of number 10 with Saido more advanced.
I like what the 343 has brought to the table, we look far more threatening going forward.
In both of our losses so far we could/should have eked out draws at least.
I like Diouf as wb, it maximizes his best attribute, his athleticism.
Easy to underestimate the fact that it was a bit of a scratch/new back line on saturday, missing the Captain too.
Obviously the Prem is unforgiving, and too much experimentation can be counter productive,
but it's increasingly a game of 13/14 players, that's where Crouchie fits in for me, like Hughes is doing, switching to a 442 to see out games.
Last season seemingly we could only do an effective 45 mins with the three at the back, so mixing it up is fine by me.
Early days, still a relatively good start compared to previous campaigns.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 18, 2017 13:06:39 GMT
I ended up hating our 4231. Wouldn't mind a return if the fullbacks were more disciplined and the wingers provided more width. Crouchie could play deeper, kind of number 10 with Saido more advanced. I like what the 343 has brought to the table, we look far more threatening going forward. In both of our losses so far we could/should have eked out draws at least. I like Diouf as wb, it maximizes his best attribute, his athleticism. Easy to underestimate the fact that it was a bit of a scratch/new back line on saturday, missing the Captain too. Obviously the Prem is unforgiving, and too much experimentation can be counter productive, but it's increasingly a game of 13/14 players, that's where Crouchie fits in for me, like Hughes is doing, switching to a 442 to see out games. Last season seemingly we could only do an effective 45 mins with the three at the back, so mixing it up is fine by me. Early days, still a relatively good start compared to previous campaigns. You know me, Cheese. I am a bit random and throw things out there a bit haphazardly at times. I probably should have offered formations etc, but working nights has taken its toll and I got lazy! I think previous posters have valid points about specialist players for certain roles, but I would prefer what's on offer now to 4-4-1-1 tedium(though necessary at the time). Hopefully Newcastle was a blip and we can kick on again. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 18, 2017 13:18:56 GMT
I ended up hating our 4231. Wouldn't mind a return if the fullbacks were more disciplined and the wingers provided more width. Crouchie could play deeper, kind of number 10 with Saido more advanced. I like what the 343 has brought to the table, we look far more threatening going forward. In both of our losses so far we could/should have eked out draws at least. I like Diouf as wb, it maximizes his best attribute, his athleticism. Easy to underestimate the fact that it was a bit of a scratch/new back line on saturday, missing the Captain too. Obviously the Prem is unforgiving, and too much experimentation can be counter productive, but it's increasingly a game of 13/14 players, that's where Crouchie fits in for me, like Hughes is doing, switching to a 442 to see out games. Last season seemingly we could only do an effective 45 mins with the three at the back, so mixing it up is fine by me. Early days, still a relatively good start compared to previous campaigns. You know me, Cheese. I am a bit random and throw things out there a bit haphazardly at times. I probably should have offered formations etc, but working nights has taken its toll and I got lazy! I think previous posters have valid points about specialist players for certain roles, but I would prefer what's on offer now to 4-4-1-1 tedium(though necessary at the time). Hopefully Newcastle was a blip and we can kick on again. Ah fuck it, it's not a thesis you're getting marked on. I like the sleep deprivation puzzlers you pose, you're not wasting paper. Perfectly reasonable thread imo. I didn't watch on saturday, listened so don't feel qualified to pontificate too much about it, but as you say hopefully a blip, and hopefully the fact we can get straight back on the horse tomorrow will help. No doubt be ruing these dropped points at the shake up, but sometimes the odd kick in the bollox has some longer term benefits. Obviously any system would look better with a fully functioning goal scorer. Now how is that lad N'Goy coming along? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 13:30:15 GMT
the formation we play at the minute gives us a front three that at different times all play as a striker.
In fact, a good portion of our attacking play in the last two away games has been with Choupo and Jese playing as a front two, with Shaq behind.
I like the 343, we just need to counter more quickly.
Against the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea, we may need the creativity that the fluid front three of Shaq/Jese/Choupo gives more than we need a striker who will more than likely only be feeding off scraps anyway, to break down the better team. But I'd say Saido might be a better bet for Jese in the games against the 'lesser' sides, where we'll need more of a focal point and 2 number 10s is enough that we will create chances.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 18, 2017 14:11:52 GMT
If we were to play a front two then Crouch & Berahino would be the way to go. Won't happen though...
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