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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 16, 2017 16:05:06 GMT
We looked over confident and thinking our flair would win us the game.
Need to win the battle first.
Good first 15 minutes followed by an awful 30 minutes. The rest we were probably equal but Newcastle deserved it.
When was the last time we came from behind to win a game under Hughes? First goal seems too important every time
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 16:07:10 GMT
We looked over confident and thinking our flair would win us the game. Need to win the battle first. Good first 15 minutes followed by an awful 30 minutes. The rest we were probably equal but Newcastle deserved it. When was the last time we came from behind to win a game under Hughes? First goal seems too important every time Excellenty put matt. We do seem under Hughes to have developed an air of over confidence/arrogance |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 16, 2017 16:08:32 GMT
To be fair, we do have more fight in us this season than we did in the last couple. We equalised after falling behind for the third game in a row when in the past it's been concede first and game over. Last season we only salvaged three points after falling behind. We're a point away from that total already this season.
Even after falling behind again we created enough chances to nick a point, even if we didn't deserve one.
It was a sort of bizarro performance where our strengths became our weaknesses and vice versa. Our defence was all over the place but we created more than we might have expected to at the other end.
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Post by chrisparker on Sept 16, 2017 16:09:27 GMT
One of my biggest criticisms for Stoke over the years has been just how open we are away from home. Need to show more respect to the opposition and be defensively compact.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 16, 2017 16:11:41 GMT
One of my biggest criticisms for Stoke over the years has been just how open we are away from home. Need to show more respect to the opposition and be defensively compact. Lets hope that Ryan and Geoff are 100% fit for a very difficult home game v Chelsea next weekend |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 16, 2017 16:11:53 GMT
One of my biggest criticisms for Stoke over the years has been just how open we are away from home. Need to show more respect to the opposition and be defensively compact. I'd much rather we try and have a go than do what Tone did and stick ten behind the ball from the first whistle. |
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Post by chrisparker on Sept 16, 2017 16:12:06 GMT
Also the other worry is that although we seem to have a strong starting 11. Our bench is really quite weak and there seriously aren't too many options for the manager to change the game.
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 16, 2017 16:13:09 GMT
To be fair, we do have more fight in us this season than we did in the last couple. We equalised after falling behind for the third game in a row when in the past it's been concede first and game over. Last season we only salvaged three points after falling behind. We're a point away from that total already this season. Even after falling behind again we created enough chances to nick a point, even if we didn't deserve one. It was a sort of bizarro performance where our strengths became our weaknesses and vice versa. Our defence was all over the place but we created more than we might have expected to at the other end. We went to pieces after they scored their first goal and could easily have been 3-0 down at half time. They then missed another sitter about 20 seconds into the second half. It was more their wastefulness that allowed us back into the game. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 16, 2017 16:14:32 GMT
To be fair, we do have more fight in us this season than we did in the last couple. We equalised after falling behind for the third game in a row when in the past it's been concede first and game over. Last season we only salvaged three points after falling behind. We're a point away from that total already this season. Even after falling behind again we created enough chances to nick a point, even if we didn't deserve one. It was a sort of bizarro performance where our strengths became our weaknesses and vice versa. Our defence was all over the place but we created more than we might have expected to at the other end. Extra cred for name checking a Wedding Present album.  |
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Post by chrisparker on Sept 16, 2017 16:14:59 GMT
One of my biggest criticisms for Stoke over the years has been just how open we are away from home. Need to show more respect to the opposition and be defensively compact. I'd much rather we try and have a go than do what Tone did and stick ten behind the ball from the first whistle. There's a middle ground between sitting with 10 men behind the ball and being as open as we were in the first half today. You can have a go and play good with ball and also be defensively compact. |
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Post by mattythestokie on Sept 16, 2017 16:15:35 GMT
So so frustrating.
At times we look to have found our spark, then a week later a performance makes you question once again where it is. Can't be relying on Shaqiri for everything.
Get Berahino up front and stick with him.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 16, 2017 16:17:20 GMT
One of my biggest criticisms for Stoke over the years has been just how open we are away from home. Need to show more respect to the opposition and be defensively compact. I'd much rather we try and have a go than do what Tone did and stick ten behind the ball from the first whistle. Neither is right or wrong - it's whatever works. Away games should really be about getting points not entertaining the home fans. As things stand we can't score enough goals to be so open in defence. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 16:17:34 GMT
We lose at the same places time after time and to the same managers like Pulis ofc it's just coincidence.
Despite the fact that Newcastle are short of players and just promoted most people KNEW we would lose today , even I was over optimistic thinking because of our good start that we might just be allowed a draw. I must have been stupid. After 50 years of being a Stoke fan you would think I would know better than think we could manage a draw after beating Arsenal and holding United.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 16, 2017 16:18:08 GMT
To be fair, we do have more fight in us this season than we did in the last couple. We equalised after falling behind for the third game in a row when in the past it's been concede first and game over. Last season we only salvaged three points after falling behind. We're a point away from that total already this season. Even after falling behind again we created enough chances to nick a point, even if we didn't deserve one. It was a sort of bizarro performance where our strengths became our weaknesses and vice versa. Our defence was all over the place but we created more than we might have expected to at the other end. We went to pieces after they scored their first goal and could easily have been 3-0 down at half time. They then missed another sitter about 20 seconds into the second half. It was more their wastefulness that allowed us back into the game. Absolutely. We defended appallingly. But ultimately we were able to (at least briefly) punish their wastefulness and it was only our own that denied us a share of the points. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 16, 2017 16:20:02 GMT
I'd much rather we try and have a go than do what Tone did and stick ten behind the ball from the first whistle. Neither is right or wrong - it's whatever works. Away games should really be about getting points not entertaining the home fans. As things stand we can't score enough goals to be so open in defence. I'm just expressing my own preference. Both approaches have been about as effective, ie not very. I know which of the two I prefer to watch. We've generally defended well this season, though we did so appallingly today. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 16:32:57 GMT
I'd much rather we try and have a go than do what Tone did and stick ten behind the ball from the first whistle. Neither is right or wrong - it's whatever works. Away games should really be about getting points not entertaining the home fans. As things stand we can't score enough goals to be so open in defence. Bang on wuzza that is |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Sept 16, 2017 16:37:22 GMT
I find it hard to understand how our defense fell apart so easy today against very average attackers. Against the arse & man u we looked solid & very difficult to breakdown whats gone wrong over to you Mr Hughes.
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 16, 2017 16:39:09 GMT
One of my biggest criticisms for Stoke over the years has been just how open we are away from home. Need to show more respect to the opposition and be defensively compact. Lets hope that Ryan and Geoff are 100% fit for a very difficult home game v Chelsea next weekend I'm hoping this is the case as we need Geoff and Ryan in there with Fletcher making tackles and doing the tough stuff. |
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 16, 2017 16:40:23 GMT
I find it hard to understand how our defense fell apart so easy today against very average attackers. Against the arse & man u we looked solid & very difficult to breakdown whats gone wrong over to you Mr Hughes. Watch the pace of Atsu drift by Allen which pulled out our defenders wide then left gaps for trailing attackers. Decent tactic. |
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Post by stokiesteve on Sept 16, 2017 16:45:02 GMT
Our away form is consistently disappointing. This was a game we could have won, certainly got a point from. But yet again, we undersell ourselves.
Frustrating only just starts to cover it.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 16, 2017 20:02:30 GMT
Our away form is consistently disappointing. This was a game we could have won, certainly got a point from. But yet again, we undersell ourselves. Frustrating only just starts to cover it. Newcastle are a limited team but are fighting hard. Everton are fucking shit. What is disappointing is ruining a couple of good performances against Arse and Man Utd, with two very soft defeats against newcastle and Everton. I knew we would once again struggle for goals this season.But I had been heartened by our defensive resolve against Arse and Man U. Today, it sounds like we could have been smashed, that is really really poor |
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 16, 2017 20:06:57 GMT
To me it's the over-confidence thing. Both goals came as a direct result of a lazy/stupid pass gifting the ball to them when all our players were focused on attack. Same thing with United's second. Then players are out of position and we seem to get jittery if we are not in the right positions. Yes, I know they should have recovered for the corner, but there wouldn't have been a corner if it wasn't for gifting them possession. C'Mon Stoke! you are better than this!  |
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Post by geekenny on Sept 16, 2017 20:14:55 GMT
Allen is crap.
But Hughes insists on shoe-horning him into any system he plays.
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Post by liamo on Sept 16, 2017 20:57:46 GMT
We don't do well when the opposition lets us have the ball, we have to be far more tidier on the ball for that to change... today showed that, so many misplaced simple passes that allowed them to counter and that's what they wanted to do
With our backs to the wall our defensive unit is scary, transitioning from losing the ball due to sloppy forward play back in to that defensive unit is where we get caught out and we were very very sloppy today which put way too much pressure on our back line
Tidy it up a bit and we'll be fine, just a bad day at the office
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2017 20:59:36 GMT
We don't do well when the opposition lets us have the ball, we have to be far more tidier on the ball for that to change... today showed that, so many misplaced simple passes that allowed them to counter and that's what they wanted to do With our backs to the wall our defensive unit is scary, transitioning from losing the ball due to sloppy forward play back in to that defensive unit is where we get caught out and we were very very sloppy today which put way too much pressure on our back line Tidy it up a bit and we'll be fine, just a bad day at the office Do you think we'll struggle at home then when teams sit behind the ball? |
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 16, 2017 21:06:08 GMT
Things haven't changed. We still look for 40 pts and anything above is a bonus
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Post by stokieinaus on Sept 16, 2017 22:21:46 GMT
First few minutes we gave the ball away in our own half by playing negative football. When will we ever learn, we cant play the same way against lower sides as we do against top sides. We were more effective with Crouch on and sending in the high balls, its not pretty but its effective. Newcastle played in our face and we had no idea how to cope with it. I've said it before and I will say it again, when we start to play as a team we will win more games until then its going to be a frustrating season.
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Post by mrred on Sept 16, 2017 22:35:34 GMT
Fuck zonal marking. Just fuck zonal marking right up the arse.
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Post by duckling on Sept 16, 2017 23:02:36 GMT
So so frustrating. At times we look to have found our spark, then a week later a performance makes you question once again where it is. Can't be relying on Shaqiri for everything. Get Berahino up front and stick with him. I find it hard to understand how our defense fell apart so easy today against very average attackers. Against the arse & man u we looked solid & very difficult to breakdown whats gone wrong over to you Mr Hughes. Inconsistency is a hallmark of mid table teams. If a team was always good or always poor, they wouldn't be mid table. Sometimes I wonder if there's a randomness element that's beyond the control of managers and players. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 16, 2017 23:07:20 GMT
So so frustrating. At times we look to have found our spark, then a week later a performance makes you question once again where it is. Can't be relying on Shaqiri for everything. Get Berahino up front and stick with him. I find it hard to understand how our defense fell apart so easy today against very average attackers. Against the arse & man u we looked solid & very difficult to breakdown whats gone wrong over to you Mr Hughes. Inconsistency is a hallmark of mid table teams. If a team was always good or always poor, they wouldn't be mid table. Sometimes I wonder if there's a randomness element that's beyond the control of managers and players. We are now consistently shit away from home. Won 1 in 11 and lost two of three so far this season, and lucky not to lose the other one. |
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