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Post by sportsman on Sept 9, 2017 12:30:13 GMT
Dangerous play surely. Foot head height studs coming at your face when someone is trying head the ball. He never took his eyes off the ball. 50/50 booking at most. That doesn't make it right. I remember Nani getting sent of for man utd against real Madrid at old Trafford champions league which was much softer than that. He didn't mean it but still dangerous play knowing the keeper is out his area and he can see him. He must know all the keeper can do is use his head.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 9, 2017 12:30:51 GMT
If the game was played to my rules then I'd not have sent him off. On radio 5 they just read out the dangerous play rule and reluctantly I can totally understand why the ref gave him a red. Just watching the footage or still tells me that.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 9, 2017 12:31:06 GMT
He never took his eyes off the ball. 50/50 booking at most. Just because the ball is there to be won doesn't mean it isn't a red. Even if Mane got the ball and then made the same contact with Ederson he'd still be off. I doubt it.
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Post by neoisd1 on Sept 9, 2017 12:31:15 GMT
He never took his eyes off the ball. 50/50 booking at most. Just because the ball is there to be won doesn't mean it isn't a red. Even if Mane got the ball and then made the same contact with Ederson he'd still be off. Meh. He's just trying to pull the ball out the air, you see players do it almost every game. If the keeper didn't throw his head in I doubt the ref would've even blown for a free kick.
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Post by 3putts on Sept 9, 2017 12:31:37 GMT
cant believe people are saying it should only be a yellow? unbelievable the commentators on sky are making right arseholes of themselves and now they are suggesting that Liverpool should try to get otamendi sent off???
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Post by sportsman on Sept 9, 2017 12:32:05 GMT
Just because the ball is there to be won doesn't mean it isn't a red. Even if Mane got the ball and then made the same contact with Ederson he'd still be off. Meh. He's just trying to pull the ball out the air, you see players do it almost every game. If the keeper didn't throw his head in I doubt the ref would've even blown for a free kick. What did you expect the keeper to do being out of his area?
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Post by 3putts on Sept 9, 2017 12:32:39 GMT
Even us lot chatting about it on here with the benefit of replay and slow mo can't fully decide if it was a fair challenge or a red card offence, refs have to make a split decision based on what he saw in fraction of a second. Nightmare! that's a red card end of. could you imagine the outcry if it was a stoke player doing that challenge?
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Post by bigdev on Sept 9, 2017 12:33:38 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Sept 9, 2017 12:34:04 GMT
Even us lot chatting about it on here with the benefit of replay and slow mo can't fully decide if it was a fair challenge or a red card offence, refs have to make a split decision based on what he saw in fraction of a second. Nightmare! that's a red card end of. could you imagine the outcry if it was a stoke player doing that challenge? Even more so ryan. They'd have a field day. Gary Neville is just upset it spoiled the game. Tuff. Dangerous play, get off the pitch.
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Post by neoisd1 on Sept 9, 2017 12:36:39 GMT
Meh. He's just trying to pull the ball out the air, you see players do it almost every game. If the keeper didn't throw his head in I doubt the ref would've even blown for a free kick. What did you expect the keeper to do being out of his area? He should've realised he lost the race to the ball and not stick his head where someone's boot is going to be.
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Post by trincostokie on Sept 9, 2017 12:39:03 GMT
The commentators and pundits are pushing the rule that a bad injury doesn't necessarily mean it should be an automatic red card, which I do tend to agree with. However where were these experts saying the same when Ryan received his red card for the Ramsey tackle?! A refs opinion will always be swayed by seeing a resultant serious injury following a challenge, guessing it's human nature. This incident with Mane is always going to be a difficult one to call and whichever way he called it he'd of upset one of the dugouts. Yeah Manes foot was high but in his defence it was outside the penalty area, guess it's how close he believed the keeper was approaching and that's a matter of opinion but doubt he'd of intentionally set out to cause him injury. Who'd be a ref hey?! And remember, the ref didn't even blow for a foul until he realised the extent of Ramsey's injury
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Post by milky on Sept 9, 2017 12:39:06 GMT
I don't get this endangering a players safety line that gets spouted.
Potentially a player is at risk of injury every time he is tackled/ makes a tackle or goes up for a challenge.
If we go back to "that tackle that never gets mentioned " Ryan was sent off not for the tackle but the outcome !
Before much longer players will be afraid to tackle because the slightest misjudgement and they are off !
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 9, 2017 12:40:10 GMT
The rule
• Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned • Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off
Doesn't actually help!😁
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Post by neoisd1 on Sept 9, 2017 12:43:46 GMT
The rule • Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned • Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off Doesn't actually help!😁 You're right it doesn't, I mean Mane could say he never expected the keeper to be so far out of his area. Can't stand pandering to pampered keepers 😁
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Post by sportsman on Sept 9, 2017 12:44:02 GMT
What did you expect the keeper to do being out of his area? He should've realised he lost the race to the ball and not stick his head where someone's boot is going to be. Point being his head was where his head should be, and his foot wasn't.
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Post by milky on Sept 9, 2017 12:44:27 GMT
I remember when Zaha(or possibly Bolasie) put his foot up in a race to the ball with Begovic (or was it Butland).
The result ?
Penalty to Crystal Palace of course !
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Post by E1 Potter on Sept 9, 2017 12:45:39 GMT
Brings back memories of Bertie going in on Brum's keeper before Paul Barnes got that late equaliser! One of my favourite mentals ever after that goal!
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Post by sportsman on Sept 9, 2017 12:47:31 GMT
The rule • Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned • Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off Doesn't actually help!😁 You're right it doesn't, I mean Mane could say he never expected the keeper to be so far out of his area. Can't stand pandering to pampered keepers 😁 He could say that, but the prosecution would say 'you do realize you're playing man citeh and their keeper plays from there as they haven't got a proper keeper'.
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Post by mattythestokie on Sept 9, 2017 12:47:51 GMT
What did you expect the keeper to do being out of his area? He should've realised he lost the race to the ball and not stick his head where someone's boot is going to be. He won the race to the ball? The keeper got there first...
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 9, 2017 12:50:50 GMT
Unselfish play There from Aguero any other striker would try and finish that himself instead of playing it to a team mate in a better position, great play
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 9, 2017 12:52:14 GMT
These are split second things , maybe his foot shouldn't have been high but the keeper could almost as easily taken him out . Like the Shawcross Ramsey thing Ramsey broke his leg because he caught it in the pitch , easily could have been other way . Not sure going for a 50-50 like that results in a bloke missing 3 games and this game ruined . He had no intent to hurt the keeper as far as I can see and I think intent should be the issue. People always risk injury in a contact sport .
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Post by neoisd1 on Sept 9, 2017 12:53:20 GMT
He should've realised he lost the race to the ball and not stick his head where someone's boot is going to be. Point being his head was where his head should be, and his foot wasn't. Er, watch it again fella. He gets the ball and then the keepers face. Keeper lost the race to the ball.
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Post by neoisd1 on Sept 9, 2017 12:55:19 GMT
You're right it doesn't, I mean Mane could say he never expected the keeper to be so far out of his area. Can't stand pandering to pampered keepers 😁 He could say that, but the prosecution would say 'you do realize you're playing man citeh and their keeper plays from there as they haven't got a proper keeper'. And he could say 'no, I didn't realize that' 😁
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Post by adi on Sept 9, 2017 12:56:43 GMT
Dangerous play surely. Foot head height studs coming at your face when someone is trying head the ball. He never took his eyes off the ball. 50/50 booking at most. Fractured jaw and cheek bone.... sounds like it was reckless...
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Post by sportsman on Sept 9, 2017 12:57:23 GMT
Point being his head was where his head should be, and his foot wasn't. Er, watch it again fella. He gets the ball and then the keepers face. Keeper lost the race to the ball. So what you're saying is you're not allowed to go in studs raised with a challenge on the ground, but it's ok at head height?
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Post by sportsman on Sept 9, 2017 12:58:08 GMT
He could say that, but the prosecution would say 'you do realize you're playing man citeh and their keeper plays from there as they haven't got a proper keeper'. And he could say 'no, I didn't realize that' 😁 He must have been on the moon then.
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Post by neoisd1 on Sept 9, 2017 12:59:51 GMT
Er, watch it again fella. He gets the ball and then the keepers face. Keeper lost the race to the ball. So what you're saying is you're not allowed to go in studs raised with a challenge on the ground, but it's ok at head height? It wasn't a challenge though was it, he was trying to bring the ball under control 🙄
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Post by moz on Sept 9, 2017 13:01:21 GMT
How in God's green earth people think he should only get a yellow?
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 9, 2017 13:01:39 GMT
Point being his head was where his head should be, and his foot wasn't. Er, watch it again fella. He gets the ball and then the keepers face. Keeper lost the race to the ball. You should watch it again fella, the keeper won and headded the ball! I have a picture on my phone but I cannot attach it from the mobile version of the site on the desktop version won't let me attach a bit late it is above 1 megabyte
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Post by sportsman on Sept 9, 2017 13:02:52 GMT
So what you're saying is you're not allowed to go in studs raised with a challenge on the ground, but it's ok at head height? It wasn't a challenge though was it, he was trying to bring the ball under control 🙄 I know what you're saying mate, but I'm sure they'll say it's dangerous play and why they won't over turn the red card.
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