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Post by shangamuzo on Sept 6, 2017 11:49:03 GMT
I don't think an advert has ever inspired me to do or buy anything. Gambling is undoubtedly a cause for concearn for some people. Getting rid of advertising will have little and probably no effect. Advertising must be worth it to the bookies or else they wouldn't be doing it. I think the FOBT's in betting shops have caused the most problems with gamblers and more restrictions need to be put in place. It's not clear though how many more compulsive gamblers there are as a result of advertising, most will be recreational gamblers who can control what they are doing.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Sept 6, 2017 11:53:27 GMT
Never liked them on shirts especially with young kids The junior shirts don't have the advertising panel. Neither do most of our Academy teams' shirts. In my opinion the junior strips should have a charity on there like Douglas Macmillan or something
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Post by woodstein on Sept 6, 2017 11:56:06 GMT
I do actually think they should............Sorry to be controversial! My best friends sisters life was pretty much ruined by here husbands gambling addiction, her fella dropped £20 notes into machines like confetti. Re-Mortgaged the house, got out loans and basically got huge debts. They are now divorced and she is trying to re-build her life..........Pretty sad stuff but there is no doubt gambling is an addiction that can ruin families and can as destructive as drugs and booze if it gets hold of you What a bunch of crap. I'm a big motor racing fan, bought loads of clothing and merchandise with Marlboro, Rothmans on etc on and have never touched a fag in my life. Ditto gambling - I only ever bet on a game when there's a free bet with a newspaper. What next? Food and drink companies. Ban everything then. PC shite yet again.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 6, 2017 12:09:10 GMT
the country if not the world is in total chaos, with North Korea threatening a nuclear disater and this is top of the priority lists. for fuck sake, deal with the things that are important to the man in the street, stop trying delay the brexit negotiations. sort the NHS out, sort the housing crisis out, re equip our armed forces, deal with the social media giants to get a grip of child exploitation - the list goes on. if only Guy Fawkes had suceeded. sorry, i should have personally sorted all those things out and i've been putting them off. Been busy working on eradicating famine all over the globe.
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Post by scfcballers on Sept 6, 2017 12:21:44 GMT
Gambling isn't as big a killer as smoking is to the best of my knowledge. When the fun stops, stop is best advice. If people could just "stop when the fun stops" then nobody would become a gambling addict. Problem gambling is becoming a serious problem and bookies should be doing a lot more to prevent/ help people who have become addicted to gambling.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Sept 6, 2017 12:35:45 GMT
It's a good idea imo.
If it affects stoke, well so be it
too much gambling in football.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Sept 6, 2017 12:36:56 GMT
Ironic that Peter Coates is a big Labour donor - and this is how they want to repay him! I wonder if the proposals would also include the banning of sponsorship of the stadium name and of pitch side advertising? If so you'd have to wonder if owning Stoke would become unattractive to bet365? . he gave them money in the days of Blair and co, where they went hand in hand with gambling. He's said before he doesn't like corbyn.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 6, 2017 12:43:26 GMT
the country if not the world is in total chaos, with North Korea threatening a nuclear disater and this is top of the priority lists. for fuck sake, deal with the things that are important to the man in the street, stop trying delay the brexit negotiations. sort the NHS out, sort the housing crisis out, re equip our armed forces, deal with the social media giants to get a grip of child exploitation - the list goes on. if only Guy Fawkes had suceeded. Fucking idiotic post really. 1) There's a limit to what Labour (who are the party named in the article) can do re: all of the things you mentioned, what with them not being in power and all that. 2) Strangely enough, most political parties have a wide variety of policies on pretty much all areas and aspects of people's lives. Can you point me to the bit that says this is Labour's ONLY policy on anything and none of your list are even matters they're interested in....or is it possible that if in power they (like most other parties) may actually be able to concentrate on more than just 1 thing at a time?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 12:44:06 GMT
change name on shirts to Bert365 BET364+1
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Post by lowlands on Sept 6, 2017 12:55:02 GMT
Exactly how does having a Betting sponsor on a shirt cause gambling? 99% of Adults in this country gamble because do the lotto you Gamble. TBH I am sick to death of the nanny state, cannot do this cannot do that, its so annoying. My parents did the Pools and my mum played Bingo and my dad smoked and drunk beer my Grandad bet on the horses and they were happy. All this stuff was advertised on the telly and radio and on bill boards and guess what It didn't make me turn to Gambling or smoking or drinking. Although I do drink and like the odd Cuban cigar but it was not through adverts it was because I wanted to and I always will.
FFS they now to reduce food that is unhealthy to smaller portions, why because some people are fat, well I am skinny and I actually want the fucking large portions you shit heads in Government.
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Post by rawli on Sept 6, 2017 12:55:45 GMT
What odds can I get on gambling companies being banned from sponsorship?
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 6, 2017 13:01:32 GMT
I do actually think they should............Sorry to be controversial! My best friends sisters life was pretty much ruined by here husbands gambling addiction, her fella dropped £20 notes into machines like confetti. Re-Mortgaged the house, got out loans and basically got huge debts. They are now divorced and she is trying to re-build her life..........Pretty sad stuff but there is no doubt gambling is an addiction that can ruin families and can as destructive as drugs and booze if it gets hold of you What a bunch of crap. I'm a big motor racing fan, bought loads of clothing and merchandise with Marlboro, Rothmans on etc on and have never touched a fag in my life. Ditto gambling - I only ever bet on a game when there's a free bet with a newspaper. What next? Food and drink companies. Ban everything then. PC shite yet again. Good for you, you speak for your own experiences though
I too have bought things with Beer logo's, gambling etc etc and fortunately I am the same as you, however not everybody is. But you cannot deny that the negative publicity of tobacco advertising, banning of smoking in certain places etc has helped tone down cigarette smoking, which surely is for the greater good of all concerned.
A chap made a good point earlier, maybe not stop the advertising but ensure gambling companies do more to help those with addictions.........Do you not think that would be positive??
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 6, 2017 13:04:03 GMT
What odds can I get on gambling companies being banned from sponsorship? Dunno mate but I bet you cant find any
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Post by flea79 on Sept 6, 2017 13:45:47 GMT
Gambling isn't as big a killer as smoking is to the best of my knowledge. When the fun stops, stop is best advice. If people could just "stop when the fun stops" then nobody would become a gambling addict. Problem gambling is becoming a serious problem and bookies should be doing a lot more to prevent/ help people who have become addicted to gambling. pretty much spot on, its so easy now to load up a gambling app on the phone and deposit in seconds, not to mention the tipster accounts on social media that are sponsored by the bookies to get you hooked and keep betting all the time
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Post by 3putts on Sept 6, 2017 14:11:25 GMT
Better make sure they don't get in then. this comes around periodically i am sure there are a few tories who feel the same. for my money we are going too far in creating a nanny state. there are far more things to be worried about than football advertising
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Post by 3putts on Sept 6, 2017 14:13:27 GMT
Gambling isn't as big a killer as smoking is to the best of my knowledge. When the fun stops, stop is best advice. If people could just "stop when the fun stops" then nobody would become a gambling addict. Problem gambling is becoming a serious problem and bookies should be doing a lot more to prevent/ help people who have become addicted to gambling. if someone bets more than they can afford to lose they are not gambling addicts they are stupid. end of
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Post by 3putts on Sept 6, 2017 14:14:18 GMT
Ironic that Peter Coates is a big Labour donor - and this is how they want to repay him! I wonder if the proposals would also include the banning of sponsorship of the stadium name and of pitch side advertising? If so you'd have to wonder if owning Stoke would become unattractive to bet365? . he gave them money in the days of Blair and co, where they went hand in hand with gambling. He's said before he doesn't like corbyn. utter bollox
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Post by scfcballers on Sept 6, 2017 14:44:07 GMT
If people could just "stop when the fun stops" then nobody would become a gambling addict. Problem gambling is becoming a serious problem and bookies should be doing a lot more to prevent/ help people who have become addicted to gambling. if someone bets more than they can afford to lose they are not gambling addicts they are stupid. end of If only addiction was as simple as that.
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Post by pyrus on Sept 6, 2017 14:49:18 GMT
I have a solution. Peter just needs to buy The Flower Pot hotel in Cobridge (if it's still there, if not, somewhere similar will do), change it's name to Bet365 Hotel and then everything can remain the same.
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 6, 2017 15:33:05 GMT
Load of utter bollocks. Advertising is not the issue. Brand awareness and identity are big money. Instead, the actual betting needs to be far more controlled and limited to prevent people betting beyond their means. The data ALL forms have on the punters is astonishing and as such it would be a doddle to do this.
Making this noise about advertising is poppycock and typical of the moronic prattle of political pondering. Mostly typical of the populist pricks in labour. Where do you draw the line? Ban coke adverts?
1984.
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 6, 2017 15:47:33 GMT
As others have noted, corbyn can say anything and promise anything, as he never has to deliver.
A bit like someone in the Boothen end saying ' He should switch the play ' or ' do this ' or ' do that '. He never actually has to show anybody how it's done.
Now I know why there is an arrow pointing at the hand dryer button in the gents, anoted with the words... ' press here for a short speech by jeremy corbyn '
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Post by adbrightonstokie on Sept 6, 2017 16:33:34 GMT
Load of utter bollocks. Advertising is not the issue. Brand awareness and identity are big money. Instead, the actual betting needs to be far more controlled and limited to prevent people betting beyond their means. The data ALL forms have on the punters is astonishing and as such it would be a doddle to do this. Making this noise about advertising is poppycock and typical of the moronic prattle of political pondering. Mostly typical of the populist pricks in labour. Where do you draw the line? Ban coke adverts? 1984. They probably should ban coke adverts to be fair, good idea!
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Post by woodstein on Sept 6, 2017 16:42:35 GMT
What a bunch of crap. I'm a big motor racing fan, bought loads of clothing and merchandise with Marlboro, Rothmans on etc on and have never touched a fag in my life. Ditto gambling - I only ever bet on a game when there's a free bet with a newspaper. What next? Food and drink companies. Ban everything then. PC shite yet again. Good for you, you speak for your own experiences though
I too have bought things with Beer logo's, gambling etc etc and fortunately I am the same as you, however not everybody is. But you cannot deny that the negative publicity of tobacco advertising, banning of smoking in certain places etc has helped tone down cigarette smoking, which surely is for the greater good of all concerned.
A chap made a good point earlier, maybe not stop the advertising but ensure gambling companies do more to help those with addictions.........Do you not think that would be positive??
Difference in that smoking and too much alcohol affects health and your wealth. With gambling its mainly your pocket. Labour camp should concentrate on drug problems but most are high on the stuff.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 6, 2017 16:51:07 GMT
Maybe we should ban all shopping because some people become shopaholics, a total farce and typical of Labour. The new Roundheads.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 16:53:39 GMT
the country if not the world is in total chaos, with North Korea threatening a nuclear disater and this is top of the priority lists. for fuck sake, deal with the things that are important to the man in the street, stop trying delay the brexit negotiations. sort the NHS out, sort the housing crisis out, re equip our armed forces, deal with the social media giants to get a grip of child exploitation - the list goes on. if only Guy Fawkes had suceeded. Well said. If people want to gamble let them. If they cannot stop then not seeing BET365 or some other brand on a shirt will stop them
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Post by geekenny on Sept 6, 2017 17:57:47 GMT
Load of utter bollocks. Advertising is not the issue. Brand awareness and identity are big money. Instead, the actual betting needs to be far more controlled and limited to prevent people betting beyond their means. The data ALL forms have on the punters is astonishing and as such it would be a doddle to do this. Making this noise about advertising is poppycock and typical of the moronic prattle of political pondering. Mostly typical of the populist pricks in labour. Where do you draw the line? Ban coke adverts? 1984. Dunno... The brand names are in your face non stop on the sport channels. Young kids watching their heroes on Sunday afternoon are seeing the adverts with all the sound bites about first scorer etc Then the parents buy the shirts. Certainly bigger problems in our society of course but can see the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 19:46:45 GMT
Never liked them on shirts especially with young kids The junior shirts don't have the advertising panel. Neither do most of our Academy teams' shirts. i know
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 6, 2017 19:57:40 GMT
For me it's just another example of how out of touch the Labour Party is with the working class they are supposed to represent and their screwed up idea of priorities.
I can't remember when Labour last had a good leader, Jim Callaghan maybe?
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Post by march4 on Sept 6, 2017 20:24:28 GMT
I've been watching football for all of my life and, in spite of all of the advertising for gambling and everything else (such as the handing out of betting slips when you go into hospitality), I've never placed any kind of bet, and have never had even the slightest inclination to do so. Maybe, just maybe, there are other, more complicated causes for people initially getting themselves into gambling trouble that go beyond there being a lot of advertising. If politicians were really bothered, maybe they'd try to address those causes, rather than merely trying to be seen to be doing something with a daft sticking plaster solution. I must admit, that I too have never placed a bet or even had an inkling to place a bet. I just blank out the advertising as it has no relevance to me. However, I do feel for those who are hooked on gambling. Can I suggest that any thread on our message board that encourages betting (and there have been a fair few) be immediately removed by our friends in admin. This might seem draconian, but any thread encouraging the sale of cigarettes would be swiftly removed.
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Post by Stoke711 on Sept 6, 2017 20:54:10 GMT
I like to gamble, adds a bit of fun to meaningless games for me. I do get addicted but that is more to do with my personality, I know my limits and I don't break them.
Not once have I bet because I see an advert, a football shirt etc... same as smoking or drinking, I don't see an advert and think god I need a drink.
If people want to do something, they will, regardless of exposure.
Heroin, cocaine aren't advertised but plenty of people are taking them.
I really don't see the harm, stopping all advertising will not make it go away.
I know a few older guys who spend a lot of time in the bookies, they did before advertising and will after if they are still alive if ever it gets banned.
The worst part about gambling is the ease, if I had to go to the bookies everytime I wanted to bet I wouldn't bother half the time, especially when I'm at work but with mobile phones and online gambling its just too easy.
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