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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 2, 2017 12:09:01 GMT
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Post by lancashirelad on Sept 2, 2017 12:27:29 GMT
An interesting video. Really shows how agents also make it about them and not the best for their clients.
Good to see Henehgan working his way back up the leagues.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 2, 2017 12:34:08 GMT
Very good watch that B.
Just shows what a bunch of cunts some agents are, messing about at the last minute with the agreed price and deal terms.
Imagine you had agreed a purchase of a house @ £200k with the builder, then the estate agent rings and says, "before you pick up the keys & just to let you know, I've increased the price to £1.2m."
You have to agree (& I don't know what it is) but there has to be a better way to avoid the last minute extortion & blackmail.
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Post by kaney78 on Sept 2, 2017 12:37:05 GMT
Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 2, 2017 13:35:02 GMT
I felt sad for the lad sat waiting at Sheffield train station, only to end up not getting any nearer the club. Obviously Mahrez at an airport in Paris is really high-profile, but I wonder how many other players end up in the same situation?
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Sept 2, 2017 13:43:33 GMT
Agents need to fuck right off ..they are the scum that is dragging the game down and the ridiculous fees for players that is making the lower leagues sides battling bankruptcy. They are lower than a snakes arsehole.... lower than bankers and estate agents.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 13:53:22 GMT
I felt sad for the lad sat waiting at Sheffield train station, only to end up not getting any nearer the club. Obviously Mahrez at an airport in Paris is really high-profile, but I wonder how many other players end up in the same situation? Obviously no others - remember it's only Stoke who miss out on targets. Everyone else is perfect. |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Sept 2, 2017 13:56:21 GMT
It's easy to see how the Odemwingie at QPR situation happened really isn't it? If I was sat at a train station in the city badly wanting a move to happen I'd probably make my way to the training ground to try and push it through or speed things up if I got the green light.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 2, 2017 13:56:50 GMT
Agents need to fuck right off ..they are the scum that is dragging the game down and the ridiculous fees for players that is making the lower leagues sides battling bankruptcy. They are lower than a snakes arsehole.... lower than bankers and estate agents. The majority are ponces however the guy linked closely to Stoke seems ok. They are purely in it for themselves Arnies brother being a perfect example. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 13:57:07 GMT
Interesting viewing.
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Post by ElworthPotter on Sept 2, 2017 13:57:49 GMT
Also, £1.2 million for Devante Cole is a fucking outrageous ask
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 2, 2017 14:09:56 GMT
Just like any industry, there will be plenty of decent agents who have their client's interests at heart - but also plenty who are only in it for the money. Maybe Clayton Donaldson's experience and numerous previous moves was one of the reason's why his deal went through easily, whereas the 20-year-old at Watford didn't have much experience to draw on, so would wait for advice from his agent. It's easy to see how the Odemwingie at QPR situation happened really isn't it? If I was sat at a train station in the city badly wanting a move to happen I'd probably make my way to the training ground to try and push it through or speed things up if I got the green light. Definitely - and he was slated for it at the time by pretty much everyone it seemed, and still by a lot of our fans when he joined us. |
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Post by StoKeith on Sept 2, 2017 14:25:10 GMT
I know they introduced a "deal sheet" which gives clubs an extra two hours to dot the i's and cross the t's, but I think a better way would be to allow two teams to submit a form before the deadline saying they are negotiating and to give those teams an extra 24hrs to work out the deal. The limitation is that only one buying team can be negotiating for any individual player, so no other team can come in at the last minute to hijack the deal. If they can't work out the deal in those 24hrs, then so be it, but it would take one weapon away from an agent's arsenal of tricks. They'd also have to synchronise the end of the window with Spain's window to make sure no Spanish team can gazump the deal.
As an example, let's say we were in for Jansen along with WBA. Tottenham (and Janssen) would have to make a choice of team before the deadline. Whichever team is on the "intention sheet" (signed by all parties) can exclusively deal with Spurs and Janssen for 24hrs with no concerns of distractions from competing bids.
I think it would take some of the panic away from those final moments as the player would at least know where he needs to be for his medical etc... in case a deal goes through.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 2, 2017 14:27:07 GMT
Agents need to fuck right off ..they are the scum that is dragging the game down and the ridiculous fees for players that is making the lower leagues sides battling bankruptcy. They are lower than a snakes arsehole.... lower than bankers and estate agents. Lower than a snakes' bollocks in a wheel rut. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 2, 2017 14:28:12 GMT
I know they introduced a "deal sheet" which gives clubs an extra two hours to dot the i's and cross the t's, but I think a better way would be to allow two teams to submit a form before the deadline saying they are negotiating and to give those teams an extra 24hrs to work out the deal. The limitation is that only one buying team can be negotiating for any individual player, so no other team can come in at the last minute to hijack the deal. If they can't work out the deal in those 24hrs, then so be it, but it would take one weapon away from an agent's arsenal of tricks. They'd also have to synchronise the end of the window with Spain's window to make sure no Spanish team can gazump the deal. As an example, let's say we were in for Jansen along with WBA. Tottenham (and Janssen) would have to make a choice of team before the deadline. Whichever team is on the "intention sheet" (signed by all parties) can exclusively deal with Spurs and Janssen for 24hrs with no concerns of distractions from competing bids. I think it would take some of the panic away from those final moments as the player would at least know where he needs to be for his medical etc... in case a deal goes through. Good idea. The whole transfer system needs regulating, reorganizing. Lots of talk of player power but in the main it's the agents who are calling the shots. |
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Post by StoKeith on Sept 2, 2017 14:33:14 GMT
I know they introduced a "deal sheet" which gives clubs an extra two hours to dot the i's and cross the t's, but I think a better way would be to allow two teams to submit a form before the deadline saying they are negotiating and to give those teams an extra 24hrs to work out the deal. The limitation is that only one buying team can be negotiating for any individual player, so no other team can come in at the last minute to hijack the deal. If they can't work out the deal in those 24hrs, then so be it, but it would take one weapon away from an agent's arsenal of tricks. They'd also have to synchronise the end of the window with Spain's window to make sure no Spanish team can gazump the deal. As an example, let's say we were in for Jansen along with WBA. Tottenham (and Janssen) would have to make a choice of team before the deadline. Whichever team is on the "intention sheet" (signed by all parties) can exclusively deal with Spurs and Janssen for 24hrs with no concerns of distractions from competing bids. I think it would take some of the panic away from those final moments as the player would at least know where he needs to be for his medical etc... in case a deal goes through. Good idea. The whole transfer system needs regulating, reorganizing. Lots of talk of player power but in the main it's the agents who are calling the shots. Absolutely. I can imagine if they brought in an "intention sheet" type system that agents would try to get a fee to get their player to sign the intention sheet (and then another fee to sanction the transfer and another fee for signing the contract)! So they'd have to make that against the rules if possible. Agents are such cunts. |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 2, 2017 14:45:47 GMT
Agents need to fuck right off ..they are the scum that is dragging the game down and the ridiculous fees for players that is making the lower leagues sides battling bankruptcy. They are lower than a snakes arsehole.... lower than bankers and estate agents. Agree completely. Do the PFA provide an agent scheme.....if not they should so with a maximum fixed rate payment on any deal. Surely this would help keep more money in the game rather than it leaking into a load of shady characters. Agents are like solicitors....making out their actions are for the good of their client when really they are just out to make as much money as is possible for themselves. |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 2, 2017 14:55:08 GMT
What’s the answer?
Should the FA have a department just to deal with the clubs and leave personal terms to the agents.
Cap fees for agents
No more than two agents allowed on a deal
The problem with deadline day is clubs are desperate, but clubs at the lower end of the scale have to wait their turn as every deal hinges on another deal. Doesn’t help agents preying on this desperation. Probably one of reasons why we did not get some deals over the line
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 2, 2017 15:35:58 GMT
A great video that
Players who are Sat on their arse on the subs bench somewhere, instead of playing for a proper club like sheffield utd should perhaps ask...
Do I really want this move not going through because my agent is trying to double the agents fee on deadline day?
Would I be better off with another agent?
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 2, 2017 15:36:32 GMT
Respect them for sticking tough. Fuck agents. I like how our club tells them to fuck off also.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Sept 2, 2017 15:53:31 GMT
Good watch.
Some people are really spoiling football for the clubs, players and supporters.
The answer is simple, limit agent fees to an amount per transaction basis paid from the transfer fee.
Watch how many players are allowed to move then.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Sept 2, 2017 15:55:16 GMT
How about having players negotiate their own contracts, that would be entertaining wouldn't it?  |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2017 16:09:12 GMT
How about having players negotiate their own contracts, that would be entertaining wouldn't it? Yes, some owners (Mike Ashley springs to mind) would love that!  |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 2, 2017 16:31:59 GMT
Good watch that. Wilder comes accross well. Used to play for us briefly in the late 80's. Agents are ruining football something needs to change. Maybe there should be a single regulated group of qualified agents under one banner who are payed a non commission salary who deal with all moves. Will cut the charlatans out.
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Post by Davef on Sept 2, 2017 16:55:03 GMT
Good watch that. Wilder comes accross well. Used to play for us briefly in the late 80's. Agents are ruining football something needs to change. Maybe there should be a single regulated group of qualified agents under one banner who are payed a non commission salary who deal with all moves. Will cut the charlatans out. You must be thinking of somebody else mate. Chris Wilder has never played for Stoke. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 2, 2017 18:33:54 GMT
Good watch that. Wilder comes accross well. Used to play for us briefly in the late 80's. Agents are ruining football something needs to change. Maybe there should be a single regulated group of qualified agents under one banner who are payed a non commission salary who deal with all moves. Will cut the charlatans out. You must be thinking of somebody else mate. Chris Wilder has never played for Stoke. We defo had a wilder play for us in the late 80s |
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Sept 2, 2017 20:54:46 GMT
Great watch. Imagine what its like for the big boys. The fees their agents must demand must be astronomical SGS |
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Post by lancashirelad on Sept 2, 2017 21:20:10 GMT
You must be thinking of somebody else mate. Chris Wilder has never played for Stoke. We defo had a wilder play for us in the late 80s No Wilder played for us in the 80s or ever since I started well before then. Were you a Charlton fan in the late 80s |
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Post by happyending on Sept 2, 2017 21:30:11 GMT
I agree with the majority that the agents are the biggest problem, certainly from a a clubs perspective but for a lot of players they are a godsend. Can you imagine how the likes of Mike Ashley or the Dildo brothers would stitch up a young lad negotiating on his own behalf? The balance for me would be agents still exist but are employed directly and exclusively by the FA and are assigned to players who wish to be represented.
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Post by innocentbystander on Sept 2, 2017 22:48:52 GMT
I agree with the majority that the agents are the biggest problem, certainly from a a clubs perspective but for a lot of players they are a godsend. Can you imagine how the likes of Mike Ashley or the Dildo brothers would stitch up a young lad negotiating on his own behalf? The balance for me would be agents still exist but are employed directly and exclusively by the FA and are assigned to players who wish to be represented. Or that agents are only paid by the player. Players can decide whether they're getting good value then. |
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