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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 24, 2017 19:50:20 GMT
Having a discussion with me owd man about the history of balls over the years, and in particular, weight.
Law Two states that the ball must be between 14 and 16oz, but back in the old days, how heavy could they get when they were wet? He maintains that in the 60s and 70s they were still "like heading a ton of concrete".
I've Googled it and had a cursory glance but can't really be arsed beyond that.
So for the owd'uns, how heavy were your balls when wet?
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 24, 2017 19:51:19 GMT
Having a discussion with me owd man about the history of balls over the years, and in particular, weight. Law Two states that the ball must be between 14 and 16oz, but back in the old days, how heavy could they get when they were wet? He maintains that in the 60s and 70s they were still "like heading a ton of concrete". I've Googled it and had a cursory glance but can't really be arsed beyond that. So for the owd'uns, how heavy were your balls when wet? Mine look like Billy Connolly in a rainstorm after an hour at Dimensions..... |
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Post by bigcashprizes on Aug 24, 2017 19:52:47 GMT
My Grandad used to swear that Stan could cross the ball in such a way, that he'd keep the stitching away from Nobby Steele's head. Surely bollocks... I studied physics at uni, but have never thought to question this theory until now!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 19:53:46 GMT
Not much different. Just that the old leather balls got waterlogged easy and held moisture.
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Post by davethebass on Aug 24, 2017 20:20:09 GMT
Weighed a ton when soaked! Give yer yed ache if yer yedded it, but not many of us could kick it high enough for a yedder!
When dry it was great, preferred it to the mitre I had after, which was less pingy I thought
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 24, 2017 20:25:44 GMT
Advantage of old leather ball with stitching - if it was wet it never bounced or got away from you therefore easy to control
Disadvantage - head it when wet and you'd ask the question whether to head the next one.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Aug 24, 2017 20:26:25 GMT
Having a discussion with me owd man about the history of balls over the years, and in particular, weight. Law Two states that the ball must be between 14 and 16oz, but back in the old days, how heavy could they get when they were wet? He maintains that in the 60s and 70s they were still "like heading a ton of concrete". I've Googled it and had a cursory glance but can't really be arsed beyond that. So for the owd'uns, how heavy were your balls when wet? They would have been much heavier I imagine. No firm evidence to back that up mind. I just know the quality of the current balls and no water whatsoever soaks inside. I'm sure the old ones had plenty of water ingress. |
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Post by chell_rosey on Aug 24, 2017 20:36:05 GMT
Seem to remember a story where Harry Burrows took a penalty, wet ball and drove it straight at the keeper.
Ball was heavy, the keeper tried to catch it and got knocked into the back of the net.
Another penalty awarded later, Burrows steps up to take it and the keeper ducks out of the way.
I'm sure someone will have the proper details but the old caseys bloomin' hurt if you got caught.
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Post by davethebass on Aug 24, 2017 20:41:29 GMT
Having a discussion with me owd man about the history of balls over the years, and in particular, weight. Law Two states that the ball must be between 14 and 16oz, but back in the old days, how heavy could they get when they were wet? He maintains that in the 60s and 70s they were still "like heading a ton of concrete". I've Googled it and had a cursory glance but can't really be arsed beyond that. So for the owd'uns, how heavy were your balls when wet? They would have been much heavier I imagine. No firm evidence to back that up mind. I just know the quality of the current balls and no water whatsoever soaks inside. I'm sure the old ones had plenty of water ingress. Certainly was water ingress! And not just water but gritty mud! I remember a glancing header feeling like a grazed forehead. |
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Post by elystokie on Aug 24, 2017 20:42:52 GMT
It wasn't exactly rare to see someone head a wet leather 'casey' when we played Ladsandads in the 70s but plenty of times we'd just let the long kick out from the keeper bounce before trying to win it, we had some nutters it didn't seem to bother, but for the rest of us it bloody hurt!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 24, 2017 20:45:40 GMT
When a wet Casey hit you, you carried the welts for yonks.  |
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Post by kezzaed on Aug 24, 2017 20:50:58 GMT
You don't hear about the weights of owd wet balls but after the death of Jeff Astle of Notts County then West Bromwich who was just 59 when he died in 2002. A coroner decided Astle suffered neurological damage as a result of heading the ball. His illness was later confirmed as a condition called chronic traumatic encephalopathy. His daughter Dawn is trying to get the PFA to fund the issues of over 300 ex-players who have approached her in relation to dementia from football issues!
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Post by davethebass on Aug 24, 2017 20:52:12 GMT
When a wet Casey hit you, you carried the welts for yonks. Still got them now! |
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Post by davethebass on Aug 24, 2017 21:04:20 GMT
You don't hear about the weights of owd wet balls but after the death of Jeff Astle of Notts County then West Bromwich who was just 59 when he died in 2002. A coroner decided Astle suffered neurological damage as a result of heading the ball. His illness was later confirmed as a condition called chronic traumatic encephalopathy. His daughter Dawn is trying to get the PFA to fund the issues of over 300 ex-players who have approached her in relation to dementia from football issues! I've read about that, it's really sad. Some player Jeff Astle was as well. We were quite reckless when you think about it but that's human nature I suppose. Good luck to Dawn x |
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Post by samba :) on Aug 24, 2017 21:07:56 GMT
Weighed a ton when soaked! Give yer yed ache if yer yedded it, but not many of us could kick it high enough for a yedder! When dry it was great, preferred it to the mitre I had after, which was less pingy I thought nothing on this planet is worse than a mitre ball to the cheek |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 24, 2017 21:08:47 GMT
You don't hear about the weights of owd wet balls but after the death of Jeff Astle of Notts County then West Bromwich who was just 59 when he died in 2002. A coroner decided Astle suffered neurological damage as a result of heading the ball. His illness was later confirmed as a condition called chronic traumatic encephalopathy. His daughter Dawn is trying to get the PFA to fund the issues of over 300 ex-players who have approached her in relation to dementia from football issues! Our own Big John died from dementia related illness didn't he? |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 24, 2017 21:13:10 GMT
My Grandad used to swear that Stan could cross the ball in such a way, that he'd keep the stitching away from Nobby Steele's head. Surely bollocks... I studied physics at uni, but have never thought to question this theory until now! I wouldn't be surprised since seeing this guy - he even allows for the natural bending of the arrow as it flies: |
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Post by stokeny on Aug 24, 2017 21:18:12 GMT
I think the coroner put Jeff Astle's death down to heading the ball and getting brain damage. Ignore me, just saw the post from above. In my defence, I played a lot of nogger in the 70s.
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Post by mosquito on Aug 24, 2017 21:22:24 GMT
It wasn't exactly rare to see someone head a wet leather 'casey' when we played Ladsandads in the 70s but plenty of times we'd just let the long kick out from the keeper bounce before trying to win it, we had some nutters it didn't seem to bother, but for the rest of us it bloody hurt! I didn't get this memo, about letting it bounce, I must have been a bit slow on the uptake lol |
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Post by davethebass on Aug 24, 2017 21:44:55 GMT
Weighed a ton when soaked! Give yer yed ache if yer yedded it, but not many of us could kick it high enough for a yedder! When dry it was great, preferred it to the mitre I had after, which was less pingy I thought nothing on this planet is worse than a mitre ball to the cheek I remember it well, unforgiving lumps those mitres could be! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 22:11:00 GMT
When the casey was wet and muddy lads at school shouted duck instead of head it from a corner.
I'm sure it led to my baldness^ (that's my excuse anyway)
It did make a nice sound when kicked though , I think the ones I played with still had the whole pig in them not just the bladder.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Aug 24, 2017 22:21:37 GMT
My Grandad used to swear that Stan could cross the ball in such a way, that he'd keep the stitching away from Nobby Steele's head. Surely bollocks... I studied physics at uni, but have never thought to question this theory until now! I wouldn't be surprised since seeing this guy - he even allows for the natural bending of the arrow as it flies: The "William Tel" of the wing! |
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Post by davethebass on Aug 24, 2017 22:21:55 GMT
When the casey was wet and muddy lads at school shouted duck instead of head it from a corner. I'm sure it led to my baldness^ (that's my excuse anyway) It did make a nice sound when kicked though , I think the ones I played with still had the whole pig in them not just the bladder. Ha you shouldve ducked then! .. thanks for reminding us of the sound btw I loved that sound, and different muddy or dry .. I'll watch the video now cheers.. |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Aug 24, 2017 22:30:14 GMT
It wasn't exactly rare to see someone head a wet leather 'casey' when we played Ladsandads in the 70s but plenty of times we'd just let the long kick out from the keeper bounce before trying to win it, we had some nutters it didn't seem to bother, but for the rest of us it bloody hurt! Several coaches I've had would have given an absolute bollocking to the tune of "NO F****ING BOUNCE!!!" or was the ball that heavy it hit the ground and didn't actually bounce?  |
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 24, 2017 22:33:06 GMT
That's a bit weird cause my conversation with my Dad about the game last night ended up being about the weight of the balls now compared to 50's and 60's!!!
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Post by davethebass on Aug 24, 2017 22:57:23 GMT
Jungian synchronicity, loving it  |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 25, 2017 0:18:09 GMT
That's a bit weird cause my conversation with my Dad about the game last night ended up being about the weight of the balls now compared to 50's and 60's!!! Ours started with the Sigurdsson goal for Everton tonight, and how he get such control, dip, distance and power on it from what seemed to be little more than a firm connection; rather than a nuclear hoof. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 25, 2017 3:51:12 GMT
If you head it right it doesn't hurt. Love getting on the end of a driven cross.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 25, 2017 6:07:30 GMT
Most players today would be spending most of their time on the treatment table after playing with a wet casey. Some like Wilshere would be running home to Mummy. |
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Post by nott1 on Aug 25, 2017 6:19:33 GMT
It wasn't exactly rare to see someone head a wet leather 'casey' when we played Ladsandads in the 70s but plenty of times we'd just let the long kick out from the keeper bounce before trying to win it, we had some nutters it didn't seem to bother, but for the rest of us it bloody hurt! Several coaches I've had would have given an absolute bollocking to the tune of "NO F****ING BOUNCE!!!" or was the ball that heavy it hit the ground and didn't actually bounce? Never bounced at The Baseball Ground (Derby), it just plopped and stuck in the six inches of mud! |
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