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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 24, 2017 11:30:09 GMT
Classic deflection tactic. What am I deflecting from?
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Post by Boothen on Aug 24, 2017 16:43:04 GMT
I find this statue of a racist terrorist to be abhorrent, can we please start a campaign to tear it down?
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Post by Waggy on Aug 24, 2017 17:52:26 GMT
I find this statue of a racist terrorist to be abhorrent, can we please start a campaign to tear it down? No that can't be done, that is seen different in the eyes of the PC world. Infact it is seen as the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 6:54:58 GMT
Classic deflection tactic. What am I deflecting from? Everything you big deflecting bastard
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Post by serpico on Aug 25, 2017 12:54:44 GMT
what does it say about racism in the west when the main target of the supposed "anti racists" is historical statues ?... maybe real life examples are more scant than they imagined in Brexit Britain or Trumps America ? ... i think some of these people genuinely thought that post Trump and Brexit (not that they both mean the same thing) we would be setting up pogroms and rounding up all people with non white skin pigmentation, this was obviously never going to be the case, it's an absurdity.
did MLK or the civil rights movement primarily target statues ? no, because they had real systemic racism to fight against, in 2017 racism only exists in small pockets, it's no longer systemic, to say it's systemic is to belittle the achievements of the likes of MLK and others, in reality, the west in 2017 is probably the most race tolerant civilisation the world has ever seen in it's history, thats not to say there aren't pockets of racism, but this whole thing has been overblown, it's not 1939.
by the way, speaking of MLK, he was against gay marriage, should his statue come down ?
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Post by terryesticles on Aug 25, 2017 13:09:15 GMT
I find this statue of a racist terrorist to be abhorrent, can we please start a campaign to tear it down? Not quite the same thing is it?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 25, 2017 13:27:17 GMT
what does it say about racism in the west when the main target of the supposed "anti racists" is historical statues ?... maybe real life examples are more scant than they imagined in Brexit Britain or Trumps America ? ... i think some of these people genuinely thought that post Trump and Brexit (not that they both mean the same thing) we would be setting up pogroms and rounding up all people with non white skin pigmentation, this was obviously never going to be the case, it's an absurdity. did MLK or the civil rights movement primarily target statues ? no, because they had real systemic racism to fight against, in 2017 racism only exists in small pockets, it's no longer systemic, to say it's systemic is to belittle the achievements of the likes of MLK and others, in reality, the west in 2017 is probably the most race tolerant civilisation the world has ever seen in it's history, thats not to say there aren't pockets of racism, but this whole thing has been overblown, it's not 1939. by the way, speaking of MLK, he was against gay marriage, should his statue come down ? As an aside I was in Memphis last week and this lady is still ( 27 years) protesting outside the Civil Rights museum where King was assassinated. In my opinion in Memphis you could " feel" the racial undercurrent/ tension. One of the monuments was being protected, surrounded by 4 police cars.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 25, 2017 13:36:13 GMT
In my opinion i would keep all the statues of the past , as they do give ONE side of history. In some ways they could be used as part of the argument against racism....if you see what I mean.Also I would not object to adding other types of memorials/ " places"/ events which tell a different story or give a different perspective.
What I do find interesting is the desire to " retell" history ( it is true that immediately after great episodes we usually get history written only from the perspective of the victors) at this present time/ anti -Trump?......... and yet it it some of the same people who want to accept hijabs/ Mosques etc in the West, which belong to a different time and place...monuments/ symbols of a different kind.......or is that a confluted argument.
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Post by serpico on Aug 25, 2017 13:52:23 GMT
the liberal left in America has lost it's mind in the aftermath of Trumps election win, it's like they're collectively hallucinating that racism and sexism are rampant, but it flies in the face of reality, we've largely achieved equality in the west, thats why modern feminists have to go looking for things like a wage gap that doesn't actually exist, we all know they're juking the stats to make it seem like it exists.
the left is in crisis, it has nothing to offer so they're trying to resurrect the spectre of racism and sexism, they're looking for a cause-celebre to galvanise support, but there is no systemic racism or sexism, the US just had 8 years of a black president, a women very nearly became president, the top sports and movie stars are black, the higghest paid person in hollywood is a black women! (Oprah)
this whole toppling of statues is probably a trap for Trump, they know he's going to come out and criticise it, then they get to throw the racist charge at him.... btw what happened to the Russia Stuff ? it's disappeared, Trump is no longer a Russian agent, he's a nazi again lol
Trump isn't blameless, he seems to be conducting his presidency as if he's still campaigning.
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Post by terryesticles on Aug 25, 2017 14:34:15 GMT
the liberal left in America has lost it's mind in the aftermath of Trumps election win, it's like they're collectively hallucinating that racism and sexism are rampant, but it flies in the face of reality, we've largely achieved equality in the west, thats why modern feminists have to go looking for things like a wage gap that doesn't actually exist, we all know they're juking the stats to make it seem like it exists. the left is in crisis, it has nothing to offer so they're trying to resurrect the spectre of racism and sexism, they're looking for a cause-celebre to galvanise support, but there is no systemic racism or sexism, the US just had 8 years of a black president, a women very nearly became president, the top sports and movie stars are black, the higghest paid person in hollywood is a black women! (Oprah) this whole toppling of statues is probably a trap for Trump, they know he's going to come out and criticise it, then they get to throw the racist charge at him.... btw what happened to the Russia Stuff ? it's disappeared, Trump is no longer a Russian agent, he's a nazi again lol Trump isn't blameless, he seems to be conducting his presidency as if he's still campaigning. American politics are mental. I chat to a few of them on a different forum and it's incredible how polarized they are.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 25, 2017 21:19:31 GMT
the liberal left in America has lost it's mind in the aftermath of Trumps election win, it's like they're collectively hallucinating that racism and sexism are rampant, but it flies in the face of reality, we've largely achieved equality in the west, thats why modern feminists have to go looking for things like a wage gap that doesn't actually exist, we all know they're juking the stats to make it seem like it exists. the left is in crisis, it has nothing to offer so they're trying to resurrect the spectre of racism and sexism, they're looking for a cause-celebre to galvanise support, but there is no systemic racism or sexism, the US just had 8 years of a black president, a women very nearly became president, the top sports and movie stars are black, the higghest paid person in hollywood is a black women! (Oprah) this whole toppling of statues is probably a trap for Trump, they know he's going to come out and criticise it, then they get to throw the racist charge at him.... btw what happened to the Russia Stuff ? it's disappeared, Trump is no longer a Russian agent, he's a nazi again lol Trump isn't blameless, he seems to be conducting his presidency as if he's still campaigning. Just like here after Brexit- the left have had a mass mental breakdown and it's hilarious to watch. Especially as we have a bite-sized version of it played out on this very board. And they bite really easy as well. Anyone not singing from their hymn sheet is by default a racist.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 25, 2017 21:24:23 GMT
What am I deflecting from? Everything you big deflecting bastard That's rather ambiguous. Have you got a specific example?
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Post by andrewguk on Aug 26, 2017 23:58:44 GMT
Is that statue of Michael Jackson still outside Craven Cottage?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 27, 2017 9:48:17 GMT
Is that statue of Michael Jackson still outside Craven Cottage? That has to be destroyed, a black man probably a descendent from black slaves in America spending most of his life trying to turn himself into a white man!, totally disrespecting his black ethnicity the man was a traitor to his race tear it down now.
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