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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 18, 2017 15:33:25 GMT
Where are they coming from? Are we going to completely rely on 4 attacking players or should we expect something from midfield?
Posing the question because of the clamour for a DM.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 18, 2017 15:34:21 GMT
One of our two decent chances last weekend came from Fletcher.
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Post by Northy on Aug 18, 2017 15:49:09 GMT
Joe Allen scored a few key goals last season
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 18, 2017 15:56:45 GMT
Joe Allen scored a few key goals last season Playing much further forward. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 18, 2017 15:57:43 GMT
Joe and Darren will chip in with a few.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 18, 2017 16:08:27 GMT
Shaqiri, Bojan, Jese and Choupo are all midfielders in our system and all 4 of them should be capable of providing goals.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 18, 2017 16:11:49 GMT
If the defence had given us their usual smattering of goals last year we would have been sitting pretty in 7th or 8th. We get fuck all from the defence these days  |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 18, 2017 16:15:28 GMT
Goals from anywhere would be a start......
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 18, 2017 16:18:55 GMT
If the defence had given us their usual smattering of goals last year we would have been sitting pretty in 7th or 8th. We get fuck all from the defence these days Much of that is due to delivery. With the added height of Fletcher, Zouma, BMI and Choupo combined with what you would expect to be good inswinging delivery from Shaqiri and Jese on either side, I expect our threat from set pieces to increase significantly moving forward. Corners and free kicks, fill the box with Shawcross, Cameron, Fletcher, Zouma, BMI and Choupo, maybe even Diouf and Crouch at certain times and you are looking at one hell of a threat from set piece situations |
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Post by lordb on Aug 18, 2017 16:20:30 GMT
If the defence had given us their usual smattering of goals last year we would have been sitting pretty in 7th or 8th. We get fuck all from the defence these days Much of that is due to delivery. With the added height of Fletcher, Zouma, BMI and Choupo combined with what you would expect to be good inswinging delivery from Shaqiri and Jese on either side, I expect our threat from set pieces to increase significantly moving forward. Corners and free kicks, fill the box with Shawcross, Cameron, Fletcher, Zouma, BMI and Choupo, maybe even Diouf and Crouch at certain times and you are looking at one hell of a threat from set piece situations You could play all/almost all of those tomorrow |
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 18, 2017 16:35:04 GMT
I was talking about this to my old man yesterday. Over the last few years, we have counted on roughly 15 or so goals a season from Walters and Arnie, and yet we have still been low scorers. To improve our scoring record, we need something like an extra 10 on top of that, so we have to add 25 goals to those scored by players last season who are still at the club.
Where are they going to come from? The easiest way to add goals would be to have a striker we can count on for 15+ most seasons. These forwards are as rare as rocking horse shit in any event, and, in the market we are playing in, even rarer. We have gambled on Saido with no sign to date of his rediscovering his "goalden" touch. None of our attacking midfielders have prolific records (save for Bojan in his teenage years in age group football) either. So we need a cumulative effort - at least 5 or 6 goals from each of Shaq, Jese, Choupo and Bojan (if he stays), 10 from our first choice striker (Saido or any new striker) and another 5 from the back-up strikers, add in 5 from the central midfielders and 5 from defenders. The key will be the first choice striker goals - the tap-ins, the "being in the right place at the right time" goals, the headers from crosses etc. With Saido looking so lacking in confidence and form, it is only right that we are looking around for alternatives - in our price range, though, none will be a sure thing.
A 10 goal a season striker and Jese/Choupo getting at least another 10/12 between them should give us a chance to turn a few defeats into draws/draws into victories, and make getting back into the top 10 a far easier and more realistic objective.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 18, 2017 16:40:04 GMT
I was talking about this to my old man yesterday. Over the last few years, we have counted on roughly 15 or so goals a season from Walters and Arnie, and yet we have still been low scorers. To improve our scoring record, we need something like an extra 10 on top of that, so we have to add 25 goals to those scored by players last season who are still at the club. Where are they going to come from? The easiest way to add goals would be to have a striker we can count on for 15+ most seasons. These forwards are as rare as rocking horse shit in any event, and, in the market we are playing in, even rarer. We have gambled on Saido with no sign to date of his rediscovering his "goalden" touch. None of our attacking midfielders have prolific records (save for Bojan in his teenage years in age group football) either. So we need a cumulative effort - at least 5 or 6 goals from each of Shaq, Jese, Choupo and Bojan (if he stays), 10 from our first choice striker (Saido or any new striker) and another 5 from the back-up strikers, add in 5 from the central midfielders and 5 from defenders. The key will be the first choice striker goals - the tap-ins, the "being in the right place at the right time" goals, the headers from crosses etc. With Saido looking so lacking in confidence and form, it is only right that we are looking around for alternatives - in our price range, though, none will be a sure thing. A 10 goal a season striker and Jese/Choupo getting at least another 10/12 between them should give us a chance to turn a few defeats into draws/draws into victories, and make getting back into the top 10 a far easier and more realistic objective. Did they really contribute 15 goals in the league? Walters and Arnie combined that is? |
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 18, 2017 16:49:23 GMT
I was talking about this to my old man yesterday. Over the last few years, we have counted on roughly 15 or so goals a season from Walters and Arnie, and yet we have still been low scorers. To improve our scoring record, we need something like an extra 10 on top of that, so we have to add 25 goals to those scored by players last season who are still at the club. Where are they going to come from? The easiest way to add goals would be to have a striker we can count on for 15+ most seasons. These forwards are as rare as rocking horse shit in any event, and, in the market we are playing in, even rarer. We have gambled on Saido with no sign to date of his rediscovering his "goalden" touch. None of our attacking midfielders have prolific records (save for Bojan in his teenage years in age group football) either. So we need a cumulative effort - at least 5 or 6 goals from each of Shaq, Jese, Choupo and Bojan (if he stays), 10 from our first choice striker (Saido or any new striker) and another 5 from the back-up strikers, add in 5 from the central midfielders and 5 from defenders. The key will be the first choice striker goals - the tap-ins, the "being in the right place at the right time" goals, the headers from crosses etc. With Saido looking so lacking in confidence and form, it is only right that we are looking around for alternatives - in our price range, though, none will be a sure thing. A 10 goal a season striker and Jese/Choupo getting at least another 10/12 between them should give us a chance to turn a few defeats into draws/draws into victories, and make getting back into the top 10 a far easier and more realistic objective. Did they really contribute 15 goals in the league? Walters and Arnie combined that is? I just knew someone would bring that up! Last 4 seasons, just in the league, their combined totals were 9, 9, 16 and 10. So the average is just above 10, but may be bumped up by the odd cup goal. Without checking, I thought it would have been more, but maybe I was a bit distracted by memories of the season before last. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 18, 2017 17:02:42 GMT
Did they really contribute 15 goals in the league? Walters and Arnie combined that is? I just knew someone would bring that up! Last 4 seasons, just in the league, their combined totals were 9, 9, 16 and 10. So the average is just above 10, but may be bumped up by the odd cup goal. Without checking, I thought it would have been more, but maybe I was a bit distracted by memories of the season before last. That is kind of what I thought. I've heard it mentioned loads of times but have never had the time to check it out. The only time they got the goals mentioned was when Arnie got 11 himself and given his ability in front of goal, clearly that was very much a one off. |
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Post by hchpotter on Aug 18, 2017 17:24:51 GMT
Did they really contribute 15 goals in the league? Walters and Arnie combined that is? I just knew someone would bring that up! Last 4 seasons, just in the league, their combined totals were 9, 9, 16 and 10. So the average is just above 10, but may be bumped up by the odd cup goal. Without checking, I thought it would have been more, but maybe I was a bit distracted by memories of the season before last. I would hope your figures are rather more accurate when you're involved in all your international legal wheeling and dealings!!!! |
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Post by ohbottom on Aug 18, 2017 17:29:03 GMT
And we've never been able to replace the goal-scoring exploits of Bego
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 18, 2017 20:34:28 GMT
I just knew someone would bring that up! Last 4 seasons, just in the league, their combined totals were 9, 9, 16 and 10. So the average is just above 10, but may be bumped up by the odd cup goal. Without checking, I thought it would have been more, but maybe I was a bit distracted by memories of the season before last. I would hope your figures are rather more accurate when you're involved in all your international legal wheeling and dealings!!!! Words, I deal in words - I leave the figures to the boring accountants! |
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Post by nsd on Aug 18, 2017 20:56:09 GMT
Where are they coming from? Are we going to completely rely on 4 attacking players or should we expect something from midfield? Posing the question because of the clamour for a DM. A quality DM would allow other midfielders a bit more freedom in going forward, which would (hopefully) result in them scoring more. We have players capable of scoring from midfield already, but they're having to stay further back to screen the defence. Free them up and we'll score more goals. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 18, 2017 21:36:19 GMT
Never mind from midfield we could do with a striker who can find the net, apart from Crouch and Mama we don't have one considering Hughes now plays Mama as a wing back it sort of leaves us very short of options.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 22:55:48 GMT
Never mind from midfield we could do with a striker who can find the net, apart from Crouch and Mama we don't have one considering Hughes now plays Mama as a wing back it sort of leaves us very short of options. If Stoke were in the European places and having a blinding season from now until May would you still post on this website? |
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Post by hchpotter on Aug 23, 2017 16:43:05 GMT
I would hope your figures are rather more accurate when you're involved in all your international legal wheeling and dealings!!!! Words, I deal in words - I leave the figures to the boring accountants! Good comeback 👍 |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 23, 2017 16:53:33 GMT
Joe Allen scored a few key goals last season Playing much further forward. True - but you'd still assume he would get a few. Maybe when the ball has been only half cleared after corners? He has scored a few for Wales and he plays deeper for them than he did for us last season. |
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 23, 2017 19:20:29 GMT
Allen just got a header in at Rochdale hehehe
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 23, 2017 19:34:22 GMT
Allen just got a header in at Rochdale hehehe Are you watching the game? |
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 23, 2017 19:50:48 GMT
Allen just got a header in at Rochdale hehehe Are you watching the game? Listening to it and following BBC ticker. |
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