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Post by Davef on Sept 10, 2017 0:24:10 GMT
Wimmer did OK, but I still prefer Bruno. We also missed Shawcross today in my opinion! Despite of this a very good team performance! I love Ryan to bits, but we didn't miss him that much today, which augurs very well.
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Post by crownmeking on Sept 10, 2017 0:30:22 GMT
Wimmer did OK, but I still prefer Bruno. We also missed Shawcross today in my opinion! Despite of this a very good team performance! I love Ryan to bits, but we didn't miss him that much today, which augurs very well. When in the last few mins of the game, we were under a lot of pressure, I did wish to myself that Shawcross was on the pitch.
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Post by Davef on Sept 10, 2017 0:34:12 GMT
I love Ryan to bits, but we didn't miss him that much today, which augurs very well. When in the last few mins of the game, we were under a lot of pressure, I did wish to myself that Shawcross was on the pitch. But how good was Fletcher during the closing stages?
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Post by crownmeking on Sept 10, 2017 0:39:36 GMT
When in the last few mins of the game, we were under a lot of pressure, I did wish to myself that Shawcross was on the pitch. But how good was Fletcher during the closing stages? He was brilliant all game. He can execute a cracking pass.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2017 0:41:43 GMT
When in the last few mins of the game, we were under a lot of pressure, I did wish to myself that Shawcross was on the pitch. But how good was Fletcher during the closing stages? Extremely good. Showed his experience and saw our team through a nerve wracking end. That was leadership at it's best.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 10, 2017 1:03:13 GMT
He did well, the back 3 ALL did well considering the opposition..... Do I think we missed Ryan....Hmmmm 🤔 "NO"!!!
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 10, 2017 7:20:06 GMT
But how good was Fletcher during the closing stages? He was brilliant all game. He can execute a cracking pass. His reading of the game is incredible. He seems a step ahead of most players and time and again he was in the right place at the right time. He was sensational yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 7:22:13 GMT
At the end of the game, Fletcher was visibly gesticulating and verbally putting players into the right places at set pieces.
An absolute joy to watch.
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Post by Godo on Sept 10, 2017 8:05:29 GMT
For a first game against such opposition he did well today and his distribution was good. Much better than the useless CB pairing at the shit. Lukaku, Matic and Pogba aside they looked a bit mediocre. Because we were compact and they couldn't counter attack with pace Mourinho's shortcomings were evident as well.
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Post by ed5993 on Sept 10, 2017 11:24:20 GMT
Based on what I've seen so far this season I think the best 3 would be how we finished the game yesterday:
Zouma, Martins Indi, Wimmer
Cameron and Shawcross haven't done too much wrong this season, but I think the above 3 give the best all round attributes
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 10, 2017 11:41:00 GMT
Solid debut against one of the best forward lines in the division.
At £18M he looked a bargain in the current market.
With Ryan, Bruno Zoums, GCam and Wimmer we look to have real class and depth at CB.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Sept 10, 2017 12:08:27 GMT
We looked really strong at the back & wimmer had a steady game & can get better when he settles. Its just a shame Zouma is not our player he was a beast again yesterday him & Fletcher were cracking signings.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 18:37:59 GMT
We've been after him for a while apparently. We don't need him at all mind now. ?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 12, 2017 18:47:21 GMT
We've been after him for a while apparently. We don't need him at all mind now. ? I think bayern feels you only need 11 players in the squad. Alternatives to cover for injuries and suspensions are for wimps!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 19:01:26 GMT
? I think bayern feels you only need 11 players in the squad. Alternatives to cover for injuries and suspensions are for wimps! No he thinks we can't afford to leave one of the CBs we have on the bench and would have been happy with Cameron and Pieters as back up and that we had spent 18m towards a left back and striker. Notice I said towards.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 12, 2017 19:19:45 GMT
I think bayern feels you only need 11 players in the squad. Alternatives to cover for injuries and suspensions are for wimps! No he thinks we can't afford to leave one of the CBs we have on the bench and would have been happy with Cameron and Pieters as back up and that we had spent 18m towards a left back and striker. Notice I said towards. I get the impression that Coates would not have had a problem in stumping up the money if Hughes had got the players he wanted towards the end of the window, given the comparatively low spend this summer. You can argue as to whether Hughes was going for the right players in the right positions - that will always be a matter of opinion. Reading between the lines, I don't think buying Wimmer made a any difference to our ability to pay for any players Hughes wanted in the last week of the window. It is clear that other factors than cash prevented at least 2 deals being got over the line. If I am right then money will be available in January - you'll have to keep your fingers crossed that you approve of the players we go for.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 12, 2017 19:22:18 GMT
I think bayern feels you only need 11 players in the squad. Alternatives to cover for injuries and suspensions are for wimps! No he thinks we can't afford to leave one of the CBs we have on the bench and would have been happy with Cameron and Pieters as back up and that we had spent 18m towards a left back and striker. Notice I said towards. I get the impression that Coates would not have had a problem in stumping up the money if Hughes had got the players he wanted towards the end of the window, given the comparatively low spend this summer. You can argue as to whether Hughes was going for the right players in the right positions - that will always be a matter of opinion. Reading between the lines, I don't think buying Wimmer made a any difference to our ability to pay for any players Hughes wanted in the last week of the window. It is clear that other factors than cash prevented at least 2 deals being got over the line. If I am right then money will be available in January - you'll have to keep your fingers crossed that you approve of the players we go for.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 12, 2017 19:27:35 GMT
I think bayern feels you only need 11 players in the squad. Alternatives to cover for injuries and suspensions are for wimps! No he thinks we can't afford to leave one of the CBs we have on the bench and would have been happy with Cameron and Pieters as back up and that we had spent 18m towards a left back and striker. Notice I said towards. Pull the other one, Bayern. If we'd reached this point in the season & Shawcross' back went you'd be up in arms about us 'only' having someone like Cameron to replace him. I can see it now, post after post, day after day, week after week, about how 'massively poor' it is that we didn't get in a quality back-up knowing that Shawcross had a dodgy back.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 19:30:24 GMT
No he thinks we can't afford to leave one of the CBs we have on the bench and would have been happy with Cameron and Pieters as back up and that we had spent 18m towards a left back and striker. Notice I said towards. Pull the other one, Bayern. If we'd reached this point in the season & Shawcross' back went you'd be up in arms about us 'only' having someone like Cameron to replace him. I can see it now, post after post, day after day, week after week, about how 'massively poor' it is that we didn't get in a quality back-up knowing that Shawcross had a dodgy back. Switch to a back 4 and have Zouma and Indi at CB. I'd prefer us playing 4 at the back anyway!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 19:32:28 GMT
No he thinks we can't afford to leave one of the CBs we have on the bench and would have been happy with Cameron and Pieters as back up and that we had spent 18m towards a left back and striker. Notice I said towards. I get the impression that Coates would not have had a problem in stumping up the money if Hughes had got the players he wanted towards the end of the window, given the comparatively low spend this summer. You can argue as to whether Hughes was going for the right players in the right positions - that will always be a matter of opinion. Reading between the lines, I don't think buying Wimmer made a any difference to our ability to pay for any players Hughes wanted in the last week of the window. It is clear that other factors than cash prevented at least 2 deals being got over the line. If I am right then money will be available in January - you'll have to keep your fingers crossed that you approve of the players we go for. We'll see but it certainly backed up the self sufficiency stuff. We still need full backs, central midfielder and striker so lets hope the cheque book is ready!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 12, 2017 19:32:56 GMT
I think bayern feels you only need 11 players in the squad. Alternatives to cover for injuries and suspensions are for wimps! No he thinks we can't afford to leave one of the CBs we have on the bench and would have been happy with Cameron and Pieters as back up and that we had spent 18m towards a left back and striker. Notice I said towards. Ridiculous, so we can only have a player of a certain quality on the bench?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 19:36:35 GMT
No he thinks we can't afford to leave one of the CBs we have on the bench and would have been happy with Cameron and Pieters as back up and that we had spent 18m towards a left back and striker. Notice I said towards. Ridiculous, so we can only have a player of a certain quality on the bench? We're not good enough to leave one of our best players on the bench no. Our 4 CBs are in the top 5 for the best players we have imo. They all have to play. You still have good PL squad players on the bench that way with Allen and Cameron.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 12, 2017 19:39:16 GMT
I get the impression that Coates would not have had a problem in stumping up the money if Hughes had got the players he wanted towards the end of the window, given the comparatively low spend this summer. You can argue as to whether Hughes was going for the right players in the right positions - that will always be a matter of opinion. Reading between the lines, I don't think buying Wimmer made a any difference to our ability to pay for any players Hughes wanted in the last week of the window. It is clear that other factors than cash prevented at least 2 deals being got over the line. If I am right then money will be available in January - you'll have to keep your fingers crossed that you approve of the players we go for. We'll see but it certainly backed up the self sufficiency stuff. We still need full backs, central midfielder and striker so lets hope the cheque book is ready! I reckon we could have spent a fair bit more this summer and still broken even. That's why I am fairly confident we'll spend on transfer fees in January. Unless, of course we manage to get a couple more at Choupo and Darren's standard on free transfers!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 19:42:13 GMT
We'll see but it certainly backed up the self sufficiency stuff. We still need full backs, central midfielder and striker so lets hope the cheque book is ready! I reckon we could have spent a fair bit more this summer and still broken even. That's why I am fairly confident we'll spend on transfer fees in January. Unless, of course we manage to get a couple more at Choupo and Darren's standard on free transfers! Zouma and Jese won't be cheap. 7m in total for Zouma isn't it? Which I find mental. Like renting, absolute shite. I hope Edwards gets fit and is given some game time soon as I really do think he can be our first team right back in two years. The striking position is an interesting one. Signing one is almost admitting defeat with Berahino.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 12, 2017 19:43:01 GMT
Ridiculous, so we can only have a player of a certain quality on the bench? We're not good enough to leave one of our best players on the bench no. Our 4 CBs are in the top 5 for the best players we have imo. They all have to play. You still have good PL squad players on the bench that way with Allen and Cameron. That's just subjective garbage, so where do you draw the "quality" line for players on the bench? Cannot believe you proselytising this bull.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 19:46:02 GMT
Our 4 CBs are in the top 5 for the best players we have imo. They all have to play. You still have good PL squad players on the bench that way with Allen and Cameron. I don't disagree with you that our 4 CBS are some of the best players we have. We are blessed in that department (all hail the pizza boys). But how can we start all four?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 19:48:04 GMT
We're not good enough to leave one of our best players on the bench no. Our 4 CBs are in the top 5 for the best players we have imo. They all have to play. You still have good PL squad players on the bench that way with Allen and Cameron. That's just subjective garbage, so where do you draw the "quality" line for players on the bench? Cannot believe you proselytising this bull. You've missed the point. It's about the quality on the pitch. We can't afford to not have one of our best players not playing if they're fit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2017 19:48:59 GMT
Our 4 CBs are in the top 5 for the best players we have imo. They all have to play. You still have good PL squad players on the bench that way with Allen and Cameron. I don't disagree with you that our 4 CBS are some of the best players we have. We are blessed in that department (all hail the pizza boys). But how can we start all four? Zouma in midfield and we put Allen on the bench. Happy days!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 19:53:29 GMT
I don't disagree with you that our 4 CBS are some of the best players we have. We are blessed in that department (all hail the pizza boys). But how can we start all four? Zouma in midfield and we put Allen on the bench. Happy days! Fair play. Not something I'd thought of, but it's actually something I wouldn't mind seeing as an experiment. Next "bonus points" game away at top six opposition.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 12, 2017 19:53:57 GMT
I don't disagree with you that our 4 CBS are some of the best players we have. We are blessed in that department (all hail the pizza boys). But how can we start all four? Zouma in midfield and we put Allen on the bench. Happy days! Shawcross Bruno Wimmer, how would you configure those out of interest.
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