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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 26, 2017 6:52:02 GMT
Very bland start to the season again. The ageing warriors have gone our ageing leading scorer is understandably pursuing a new media career whilst the bloke we pin our hopes on to replace him cant buy a decent performance let alone a goal.
Our record signing is interesting Monaco but we cant get a tune out of him weve got a CH who hasnt signed And a captain woefully out of form.
Weve lost one of our talented players to a more ambitious mid table outfit and propose to fill the gap with a talented but raw youngster and as it stands if we get any injuries we are fucked.
Another poor domestic friendly result and prrformance
Great stuff. Interesting month ahead
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Post by kevkj on Jul 26, 2017 6:55:23 GMT
Without being totally a knickerwetter Mark Hughes better have a plan as most of our problems are self made..
Berahino just aint going to score with this set up.
We were warned by all at West Brom that Berahino cant play as a lone striker. We need to change the formation or drop him.
Shaq just has to play at number 10 to help supply balls. Then a new right winger required.
Because a midfield of Cameron ,Fletcher and Allan will provide no type of service.
Johnson has had a dramatic drop and needs replacing with a pacey full back immediately.
Ryans stiff looking style of play is worrying.
Allan aint a number 10 and Bojan is spent.Surely shaq
The 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players defensively or offensively.
3-5-2 suits the bulk of the squad but we don't have wingbacks.
All a bit puzzling presently.
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Post by loyalstripey on Jul 26, 2017 7:01:18 GMT
Never a truer and more appropriate phrase needed at the moment than our club motto........
Just hope the players don't read the crap that some post on this forum. Lets be together, both on and off the pitch!
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Post by PolPotter on Jul 26, 2017 7:10:44 GMT
Without being totally a knickerwetter Mark Hughes better have a plan as most of our problems are self made.. Berahino just aint going to score with this set up. We were warned by all at West Brom that Berahino cant play as a lone striker. We need to change the formation or drop him. Shaq just has to play at number 10 to help supply balls. Then a new right winger required. Because a midfield of Cameron ,Fletcher and Allan will provide no type of service. Johnson has had a dramatic drop and needs replacing with a pacey full back immediately. Ryans stiff looking style of play is worrying. Allan aint a number 10 and Bojan is spent.Surely shaq The 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players defensively or offensively. 3-5-2 suits the bulk of the squad but we don't have wingbacks. All a bit puzzling presently. All that and it's still pre-season. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 26, 2017 7:14:31 GMT
Without being totally a knickerwetter Mark Hughes better have a plan as most of our problems are self made.. Berahino just aint going to score with this set up. We were warned by all at West Brom that Berahino cant play as a lone striker. We need to change the formation or drop him. Shaq just has to play at number 10 to help supply balls. Then a new right winger required. Because a midfield of Cameron ,Fletcher and Allan will provide no type of service. Johnson has had a dramatic drop and needs replacing with a pacey full back immediately. Ryans stiff looking style of play is worrying. Allan aint a number 10 and Bojan is spent.Surely shaq The 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players defensively or offensively. 3-5-2 suits the bulk of the squad but we don't have wingbacks. All a bit puzzling presently. these problems have been obvious for well over a year but little is being done. The team is way short on power and pace too |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 26, 2017 7:21:40 GMT
According to the BBC Text this morning, Stoke are going to be busy during the next 2 1/2 weeks in the transfer window.
Lets fecking hope so, because this current squad isn't fit for purpose.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2017 7:26:03 GMT
Without being totally a knickerwetter Mark Hughes better have a plan as most of our problems are self made.. Berahino just aint going to score with this set up. We were warned by all at West Brom that Berahino cant play as a lone striker. We need to change the formation or drop him. Shaq just has to play at number 10 to help supply balls. Then a new right winger required. Because a midfield of Cameron ,Fletcher and Allan will provide no type of service. Johnson has had a dramatic drop and needs replacing with a pacey full back immediately. Ryans stiff looking style of play is worrying. Allan aint a number 10 and Bojan is spent.Surely shaq The 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players defensively or offensively. 3-5-2 suits the bulk of the squad but we don't have wingbacks. All a bit puzzling presently. these problems have been obvious for well over a year but little is being done. The team is way short on power and pace too The problem being Hughes has spent money trying to fix these problems but so far he seems to have failed , the players we now need to jettison are the players on long term deals and high wages . Getting rid of the old war horses for modest fees was the easy bit . The main worry for me is his failure to put together an effective defence, midfield or forward line |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 26, 2017 7:30:10 GMT
Too little too late often often used as a descriptor of the French monarchy reforms before the revolution will now become Hughes epitaph at stoke city .
The form of the last 6 months , The blind and stupid pursuit of berahino , the unbelievable sale of 4 players of strong physical presence and character as well as goals and assists , without replacements the complete incompetence of our off field set up mean theirs is no chance now this window can be turned around and therefore our season .
The scatter gun approach to targets indicates no plan and the failure to get deals done indicates a level of incompetence and parsimony totally at odds with our competition set .
Right now barring a miracle he and we are set tor a truly horrendous season the only difference being ours will go on until may and his will end in October / November .
Sadly the real culprits will not be addressed as the manger who has made mistakes but they allDo takes rhe fall for a commercial function beyond redemption in every aspect of our off field performance
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jul 26, 2017 7:35:45 GMT
Too little too late often often used as a descriptor of the French monarchy reforms before the revolution will now become Hughes epitaph at stoke city . The form of the last 6 months , The blind and stupid pursuit of berahino , the unbelievable sale of 4 players of strong physical presence and character as well as goals and assists , without replacements the complete incompetence of our off field set up mean theirs is no chance now this window can be turned around and therefore our season . The scatter gun approach to targets indicates no plan and the failure to get deals done indicates a level of incompetence and parsimony totally at odds with our competition set . Right now barring a miracle he and we are set tor a truly horrendous season the only difference being ours will go on until may and his will end in October / November . Sadly the real culprits will not be addressed as the manger who has made mistakes but they allDo takes rhe fall for a commercial function beyond redemption in every aspect of our off field performance Fall of the Roman Empire then or Apocalypse Now! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 7:42:19 GMT
Very bland start to the season again. The ageing warriors have gone our ageing leading scorer is understandably pursuing a new media career whilst the bloke we pin our hopes on to replace him cant buy a decent performance let alone a goal. Our record signing is interesting Monaco but we cant get a tune out of him weve got a CH who hasnt signed And a captain woefully out of form. Weve lost one of our talented players to a more ambitious mid table outfit and propose to fill the gap with a talented but raw youngster and as it stands if we get any injuries we are fucked. Another poor domestic friendly result and prrformance Great stuff. Interesting month ahead I didn't realise the season had started? Where are we in the league? |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 26, 2017 7:43:48 GMT
Very bland start to the season again. The ageing warriors have gone our ageing leading scorer is understandably pursuing a new media career whilst the bloke we pin our hopes on to replace him cant buy a decent performance let alone a goal. Our record signing is interesting Monaco but we cant get a tune out of him weve got a CH who hasnt signed And a captain woefully out of form. Weve lost one of our talented players to a more ambitious mid table outfit and propose to fill the gap with a talented but raw youngster and as it stands if we get any injuries we are fucked. Another poor domestic friendly result and prrformance Great stuff. Interesting month ahead I didn't realise the season had started? Where are we in the league? 15th as it stands, come on Stoke sort it out. |
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Post by colnepotter on Jul 26, 2017 7:44:48 GMT
Very bland start to the season again. The ageing warriors have gone our ageing leading scorer is understandably pursuing a new media career whilst the bloke we pin our hopes on to replace him cant buy a decent performance let alone a goal. Our record signing is interesting Monaco but we cant get a tune out of him weve got a CH who hasnt signed And a captain woefully out of form. Weve lost one of our talented players to a more ambitious mid table outfit and propose to fill the gap with a talented but raw youngster and as it stands if we get any injuries we are fucked. Another poor domestic friendly result and prrformance Great stuff. Interesting month ahead |
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Post by leoncort on Jul 26, 2017 7:45:47 GMT
Last season stoke fans wanted to clear out the 'old guard' so when times got tough Hughes has no opportunity to rely on them and has to perfect plan A.
Walters, Whelan, Bards, Given. Half the plan is complete, with the exception of Johnson getting a new contract i think fans should be happy with the summer clear out and the fees received. With over a month to go before the transfer window shuts it would be fairly stupid to throw your toys out of the pram just yet. If you want to sign good players, sometimes you have to wait until nearer deadline day, its not like buying a pint of milk.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Jul 26, 2017 7:49:51 GMT
starting with transfers in-which is THEE big debate.Do you trust him ?? We have to wait till 1st sept as people have said
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Post by Waggy on Jul 26, 2017 7:51:19 GMT
I need an exciting new addition and then my juices will be pumping. Come on Stoke hurry up and get us our men.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jul 26, 2017 7:53:41 GMT
Last season stoke fans wanted to clear out the 'old guard' so when times got tough Hughes has no opportunity to rely on them and has to perfect plan A. Walters, Whelan, Bards, Given. Half the plan is complete, with the exception of Johnson getting a new contract i think fans should be happy with the summer clear out and the fees received. With over a month to go before the transfer window shuts it would be fairly stupid to throw your toys out of the pram just yet. If you want to sign good players, sometimes you have to wait until nearer deadline day, its not like buying a pint of milk. Hughes does not have a plan or so it seems. As for waiting nearer to the deadline to buy i disagree players need to be intergrated within the squad before the season starts or you can end up playing catch up. |
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Post by chonburipotter on Jul 26, 2017 8:09:23 GMT
Last season stoke fans wanted to clear out the 'old guard' so when times got tough Hughes has no opportunity to rely on them and has to perfect plan A. Walters, Whelan, Bards, Given. Half the plan is complete, with the exception of Johnson getting a new contract i think fans should be happy with the summer clear out and the fees received. With over a month to go before the transfer window shuts it would be fairly stupid to throw your toys out of the pram just yet. If you want to sign good players, sometimes you have to wait until nearer deadline day, its not like buying a pint of milk. Hughes does not have a plan or so it seems. As for waiting nearer to the deadline to buy i disagree players need to be intergrated within the squad before the season starts or you can end up playing catch up. Isn't that what happens every season? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 26, 2017 8:11:24 GMT
Last season stoke fans wanted to clear out the 'old guard' so when times got tough Hughes has no opportunity to rely on them and has to perfect plan A. Walters, Whelan, Bards, Given. Half the plan is complete, with the exception of Johnson getting a new contract i think fans should be happy with the summer clear out and the fees received. With over a month to go before the transfer window shuts it would be fairly stupid to throw your toys out of the pram just yet. If you want to sign good players, sometimes you have to wait until nearer deadline day, its not like buying a pint of milk. Hughes does not have a plan or so it seems. As for waiting nearer to the deadline to buy i disagree players need to be intergrated within the squad before the season starts or you can end up playing catch up. I actually nearly started a thread asking "What is the plan?". I'm still none the wiser. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 26, 2017 8:26:16 GMT
Too little too late often often used as a descriptor of the French monarchy reforms before the revolution will now become Hughes epitaph at stoke city . The form of the last 6 months , The blind and stupid pursuit of berahino , the unbelievable sale of 4 players of strong physical presence and character as well as goals and assists , without replacements the complete incompetence of our off field set up mean theirs is no chance now this window can be turned around and therefore our season . The scatter gun approach to targets indicates no plan and the failure to get deals done indicates a level of incompetence and parsimony totally at odds with our competition set . Right now barring a miracle he and we are set tor a truly horrendous season the only difference being ours will go on until may and his will end in October / November . Sadly the real culprits will not be addressed as the manger who has made mistakes but they allDo takes rhe fall for a commercial function beyond redemption in every aspect of our off field performance Fall of the Roman Empire then or Apocalypse Now! |
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Post by 3putts on Jul 26, 2017 8:45:42 GMT
Why am I not surprised by this latest thread? God knows what it will be like after 6 games when we will be in the bottom half given our run of fixtures.
I am going to stay positive we have a decent spine butland- zouma-fletcher-berahinio plus the talents of shaq-sobhi
Plus the fact we are still looking to bring players in.so go ahead doom merchants place all of your cash on us to go down.I in the meantime will look forward to being at the bet365 to cheer my team on.somat some of you lot have never done.
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2017 10:03:35 GMT
The good news is we are having a more sensible pre-season than last year and Fletcher despite not being in the first fling of youth will be a decent acquisition and hopefully the talented Zouma is not as raw as reports might suggest as we provide him with his own personal 'finishing school' before returning him to his owners.
Conversely we have lost our most potent attacking force (Arnie), our best defender (Bruno) for the moment at least and most seriously given the lack of transfers-in 3 of our real stalwarts (Walters, Whelan and Bardsley) who know this league like the back of their hand and what it takes to dig out results in the all important home games against the less strong teams which invariably define our season.
Further concerns are the form of Ryan in pre-season, I don't know what this 'minor injury' Butland has is but it scares the shit out of me and there is little suggestion that Berahino is set to add to his tally of zero goals from the 2nd half of last season.
As things stand quite honestly I'd start with Crouch up front at Goodison Park, it would at least give the home side something to think about and he remains the only 'striker' on our books who appears to know where the back of the net is.
There seems to be a growing perception on here that we address the situation by throwing youth in to the fray in the form of Ngoy, Tyman, Verlinden etc. I'm not convinced, it might be fun to watch but it would see us back in the Championship in the blink of an eye.
Lots to do and lots to think about in the next 16 days...
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Post by wuzza on Jul 26, 2017 10:10:44 GMT
A season that seems to be entirely based on hope ( that the youngsters will make massive strides forward, a couple of great signings from nowhere etc) and very little realistic expectation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 10:33:09 GMT
Last season stoke fans wanted to clear out the 'old guard' so when times got tough Hughes has no opportunity to rely on them and has to perfect plan A. Walters, Whelan, Bards, Given. Half the plan is complete, with the exception of Johnson getting a new contract i think fans should be happy with the summer clear out and the fees received. With over a month to go before the transfer window shuts it would be fairly stupid to throw your toys out of the pram just yet. If you want to sign good players, sometimes you have to wait until nearer deadline day, its not like buying a pint of milk. Half a job done , I wanted Adam, Johnson, and yes Shawcross all gone.
Last night debacle shows why, one can't jump, one turns his back like a girl (don't care if its sexist talks like a real hard man then plays junior school football) and the other gives the ball away as if he's on their side.
I wouldn't take any of them if I was Burnley they have already had the pick players.
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Post by stokie1130 on Jul 26, 2017 10:39:33 GMT
We have got to bring in players or with this squad we are playing championship football next season no question about it,
We need someone to replace Pieters, Shawcross, and Johnson, for a start.
Then back up for Sobi.
Delph would be nice.
Then we need to think about if things don't work out with Beraino.
I don't think for one second half of these issues will be sorted at all, but here's hoping.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 26, 2017 11:01:59 GMT
Relaaaaaax we'll be fine👍
I haven't wavered one iota and I genuinely think we will have a good season
Everyone starts pappin themselves after 6 games, there's another 32 to go after that
Let's see where we stand in May
I'll put my conkers on the line right now and say another top 10 finish
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 26, 2017 11:04:00 GMT
these problems have been obvious for well over a year but little is being done. The team is way short on power and pace too The problem being Hughes has spent money trying to fix these problems but so far he seems to have failed , the players we now need to jettison are the players on long term deals and high wages . Getting rid of the old war horses for modest fees was the easy bit . The main worry for me is his failure to put together an effective defence, midfield or forward line I wish I felt that he had other teams seem full of pace and in four years I am struggling to think of one Hughes signing with genuine pace other than Diouf who he hardly ever plays in his correct position . Arnie perhaps when he got up a head of steam I'm sure Imbula was brought in to add strength and presence to midfield but other than him he seems to just like smaller slower skilful players and they just get out run and overpowered |
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Post by jwhpotter on Jul 26, 2017 11:07:27 GMT
Without being totally a knickerwetter Mark Hughes better have a plan as most of our problems are self made.. Berahino just aint going to score with this set up. We were warned by all at West Brom that Berahino cant play as a lone striker. We need to change the formation or drop him. Shaq just has to play at number 10 to help supply balls. Then a new right winger required. Because a midfield of Cameron ,Fletcher and Allan will provide no type of service. Johnson has had a dramatic drop and needs replacing with a pacey full back immediately. Ryans stiff looking style of play is worrying. Allan aint a number 10 and Bojan is spent.Surely shaq The 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players defensively or offensively. 3-5-2 suits the bulk of the squad but we don't have wingbacks. All a bit puzzling presently. Allan? Lol almost as bad as Adams |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2017 11:31:29 GMT
The problem being Hughes has spent money trying to fix these problems but so far he seems to have failed , the players we now need to jettison are the players on long term deals and high wages . Getting rid of the old war horses for modest fees was the easy bit . The main worry for me is his failure to put together an effective defence, midfield or forward line I wish I felt that he had other teams seem full of pace and in four years I am struggling to think of one Hughes signing with genuine pace . Arnie perhaps when he got up a head of steam I'm sure Imbula was brought in to add strength and presence to midfield but other than him he seems to just like smaller slower skilful players and they just get out run and overpowered The fitness and athleticism of our players is an ongoing issue , |
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Post by hotterpotter on Jul 26, 2017 12:27:58 GMT
This is definitely looking like a do or die season as far as Hughes is concerned.
Selling a lot of the "safety blanket" players certainly means we're in for a roller coaster ride - I for one am excited!
On a side note, isn't football odd? I was born in Stoke and lived there for three months before moving away. I'm a fan of a team I have rarely seen live that plays in a place I rarely visit, consisting of a bunch of players I have never met, who in the main have no other connection at all to Stoke, let alone England. But it really matters to me how Stoke do. A lot. It just does. Odd it might be, but it is also brilliant! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 12:43:34 GMT
Too little too late often often used as a descriptor of the French monarchy reforms before the revolution will now become Hughes epitaph at stoke city . The form of the last 6 months , The blind and stupid pursuit of berahino , the unbelievable sale of 4 players of strong physical presence and character as well as goals and assists , without replacements the complete incompetence of our off field set up mean theirs is no chance now this window can be turned around and therefore our season . The scatter gun approach to targets indicates no plan and the failure to get deals done indicates a level of incompetence and parsimony totally at odds with our competition set . Right now barring a miracle he and we are set tor a truly horrendous season the only difference being ours will go on until may and his will end in October / November . Sadly the real culprits will not be addressed as the manger who has made mistakes but they allDo takes rhe fall for a commercial function beyond redemption in every aspect of our off field performance Utter knickerwetting piss flapping yellow bellied surrender monkeying bellenderous gobbledegook. |
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