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Post by 3putts on Jul 18, 2017 20:43:34 GMT
Why are we so soft with players. If a player hands in a transfer request then he is effectively going on strike so why do we continue to pay his wages?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 18, 2017 20:45:43 GMT
If you handed in your resignation at work, you'd still expect to be paid until you left wouldn't you?
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 18, 2017 22:01:19 GMT
If you handed in your resignation at work, you'd still expect to be paid until you left wouldn't you? Logic defeating stupidity since the dawn of time
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 18, 2017 22:16:15 GMT
Practice makes perfect let's see him we deal with the next one .
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Post by Gods on Jul 18, 2017 22:36:15 GMT
A player handing in a 'transfer request' makes no substantive immediate difference to the contract which exists between club and player.
He is still contractually obliged to play for us and we are still contractually obliged to pay him.
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Post by numfar on Jul 18, 2017 22:48:20 GMT
When footballers hand in transfer requests it is obviously a firm statement to leave but it's also a method to speed up the exit as by doing that you relinquish the claim to loyalty bonuses, possible remaining payments of your signing on fee and in some cases a percent of your remaining contact wage.
I honestly think that in Arnie's case if he hadn't handed in the transfer request and we held out for say £30 million then after all of the above has been sorted with the player we probably wouldn't have that much more than the reported £24 million we'll have now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 10:21:35 GMT
If we can't survive the loss of one player than how are we ever going to become a mid table selling club?
That is our ambition , isn't it?
Let him go ,re-invest and move on, we've had better players at the club before who we have lost and we will have better players again in the future.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 19, 2017 10:25:10 GMT
They're only going on strike if they refuse to play when called upon.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 19, 2017 10:26:07 GMT
Why are we so soft with players. If a player hands in a transfer request then he is effectively going on strike so why do we continue to pay his wages? You have to be on a wind up. No one can be so lacking in understanding of how the world works, surely? The fact that we are talking football is irrelevant - at ANY job, the fact that you have said you would like to leave does not mean that you are on strike nor that your employer can stop paying you. Please tell us you were having a laugh - if not I find it quite worrying that you are allowed out on your own.
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Post by flea79 on Jul 19, 2017 13:14:41 GMT
my understanding is that handing in a transfer request weakens a players position in terms of his exit
by handing it in he forfeits any golden handshake, im sure most players should they be sold and have not requested to are paid up the remainder of a contract or a large payment
could be wrong
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 19, 2017 13:21:41 GMT
my understanding is that handing in a transfer request weakens a players position in terms of his exit by handing it in he forfeits any golden handshake, im sure most players should they be sold and have not requested to are paid up the remainder of a contract or a large payment could be wrong I think you're right, but it's not exactly a golden handshake. If the club decides to sell the player, then the club is terminating his contract and as such he's entitled to be compensated for the unexpired period of his contract. If the player decides he wants to leave, he is electing to rip up his contract at the point of sale and is therefore not entitled to compensation. A player being sold would normally not get a signing on fee from the buying club, because he gets a lump sum from the selling club. In Arnie's case I think he'll be getting a hefty signing on fee from West Ham.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 19, 2017 13:24:45 GMT
my understanding is that handing in a transfer request weakens a players position in terms of his exit by handing it in he forfeits any golden handshake, im sure most players should they be sold and have not requested to are paid up the remainder of a contract or a large payment could be wrong You are right, most players would have to forfeit a "loyalty bonus" if they submit an official transfer request.
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Post by flea79 on Jul 19, 2017 13:26:17 GMT
my understanding is that handing in a transfer request weakens a players position in terms of his exit by handing it in he forfeits any golden handshake, im sure most players should they be sold and have not requested to are paid up the remainder of a contract or a large payment could be wrong I think you're right, but it's not exactly a golden handshake. If the club decides to sell the player, then the club is terminating his contract and as such he's entitled to be compensated for the unexpired period of his contract. If the player decides he wants to leave, he is electing to rip up his contract at the point of sale and is therefore not entitled to compensation. A player being sold would normally not get a signing on fee from the buying club, because he gets a lump sum from the selling club. In Arnie's case I think he'll be getting a hefty signing on fee from West Ham. it was all really well explained in the secret footballers book, he made reference to certain players who make a fortune moving clubs every 18 months and just take the money, sad really
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 19, 2017 13:30:49 GMT
I think you're right, but it's not exactly a golden handshake. If the club decides to sell the player, then the club is terminating his contract and as such he's entitled to be compensated for the unexpired period of his contract. If the player decides he wants to leave, he is electing to rip up his contract at the point of sale and is therefore not entitled to compensation. A player being sold would normally not get a signing on fee from the buying club, because he gets a lump sum from the selling club. In Arnie's case I think he'll be getting a hefty signing on fee from West Ham. it was all really well explained in the secret footballers book, he made reference to certain players who make a fortune moving clubs every 18 months and just take the money, sad really Our Austrian friend will do it to West Ham within 2yrs, guaranteed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 13:51:10 GMT
Handing in a transfer request does not mean they go on strike
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Post by 3putts on Jul 19, 2017 15:29:33 GMT
Why are we so soft with players. If a player hands in a transfer request then he is effectively going on strike so why do we continue to pay his wages? You have to be on a wind up. No one can be so lacking in understanding of how the world works, surely? The fact that we are talking football is irrelevant - at ANY job, the fact that you have said you would like to leave does not mean that you are on strike nor that your employer can stop paying you. Please tell us you were having a laugh - if not I find it quite worrying that you are allowed out on your own. no i am deadly serious footballers [and their agents] take the piss these days. arnies performances last season suggested to me he was allready on strike.so why should we pay his wages? and yes thank you i am allowed to go out on my own but thank you for your concern.
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Post by 3putts on Jul 19, 2017 15:30:06 GMT
Handing in a transfer request does not mean they go on strike as good as
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 19, 2017 15:58:30 GMT
You have to be on a wind up. No one can be so lacking in understanding of how the world works, surely? The fact that we are talking football is irrelevant - at ANY job, the fact that you have said you would like to leave does not mean that you are on strike nor that your employer can stop paying you. Please tell us you were having a laugh - if not I find it quite worrying that you are allowed out on your own. no i am deadly serious footballers [and their agents] take the piss these days. arnies performances last season suggested to me he was allready on strike.so why should we pay his wages? and yes thank you i am allowed to go out on my own but thank you for your concern. You do realise that we have wage tribunals to arbitrate on employment law in this country? You do realise that if an employer sacked or refused to pay his employee merely for asking for his contract to be terminated or transferred, that the employer would lose at an employment tribunal and would have to compensate the employee AND play all legal costs?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 16:21:39 GMT
Handing in a transfer request does not mean they go on strike as good as Not a single bit
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Post by canadianmoose on Jul 19, 2017 16:23:32 GMT
You have to be on a wind up. No one can be so lacking in understanding of how the world works, surely? The fact that we are talking football is irrelevant - at ANY job, the fact that you have said you would like to leave does not mean that you are on strike nor that your employer can stop paying you. Please tell us you were having a laugh - if not I find it quite worrying that you are allowed out on your own. no i am deadly serious footballers [and their agents] take the piss these days. arnies performances last season suggested to me he was allready on strike.so why should we pay his wages? and yes thank you i am allowed to go out on my own but thank you for your concern. This cant be for real. Its a CONTRACT. As in legally binding. One party asking for an 'out' doesn't diminish the responsibilities of either party who signed the contract.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 19, 2017 16:27:22 GMT
Handing in a transfer request does not mean they go on strike as good as How is it? Nzonzi handed in a couple. Did he go on strike? No.
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 19, 2017 16:38:18 GMT
They're only going on strike if they refuse to play when called upon. It's true they are not literally going on strike But they are telling the fans and their team mates that their hearts not in it and they don't want to be here Which is' sort of ' withdrawing your labour Basically you don't play or get paid... You get sold
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Post by 3putts on Jul 19, 2017 19:28:23 GMT
no i am deadly serious footballers [and their agents] take the piss these days. arnies performances last season suggested to me he was allready on strike.so why should we pay his wages? and yes thank you i am allowed to go out on my own but thank you for your concern. You do realise that we have wage tribunals to arbitrate on employment law in this country? You do realise that if an employer sacked or refused to pay his employee merely for asking for his contract to be terminated or transferred, that the employer would lose at an employment tribunal and would have to compensate the employee AND play all legal costs? Of course I know this but there is a bit of difference between a shop floor worker on 22k a year and a footballer on 60k a week
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Post by 3putts on Jul 19, 2017 19:29:47 GMT
How is it? Nzonzi handed in a couple. Did he go on strike? No. At least nzonzi still gave 100% do you think Arnie gave 100% last season???
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Post by robstokie on Jul 19, 2017 19:34:50 GMT
You do realise that we have wage tribunals to arbitrate on employment law in this country? You do realise that if an employer sacked or refused to pay his employee merely for asking for his contract to be terminated or transferred, that the employer would lose at an employment tribunal and would have to compensate the employee AND play all legal costs? Of course I know this but there is a bit of difference between a shop floor worker on 22k a year and a footballer on 60k a week 22k a year? More like 15-18k depending on the employer and that includes the value of any benefits offered. I agree though, it's ridiculous the amount of money that top-level footballers are on. Average squad players at places like Stoke (with a wage structure) are on 40k a week easy before the odd appearance fee here and there from a cup game against league 2 opponents and a 10 minute run out against Sunderland.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 19, 2017 19:55:55 GMT
You do realise that we have wage tribunals to arbitrate on employment law in this country? You do realise that if an employer sacked or refused to pay his employee merely for asking for his contract to be terminated or transferred, that the employer would lose at an employment tribunal and would have to compensate the employee AND play all legal costs? Of course I know this but there is a bit of difference between a shop floor worker on 22k a year and a footballer on 60k a week Employment laws don't change depending on salary. If an employer sacks an employee illegally, the law doesn't say "we'll let you off because this bloke earns obscene amounts of money." The law says "you signed a contract of employment with this employee and you broke it - and for that reason we find against you and you must pay compensation and legal costs." If the employer happens to be committed to paying obscene amounts of money under that contract then that is the employer's problem. If the club stopped paying Arnie's wages because he asked for a transfer, the worst case scenario would be that they kept on failing to pay him and were deemed to have invalidated his contract and he would be able to move to another club with no transfer fee payable.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 19, 2017 20:13:23 GMT
When footballers hand in transfer requests it is obviously a firm statement to leave but it's also a method to speed up the exit as by doing that you relinquish the claim to loyalty bonuses, possible remaining payments of your signing on fee and in some cases a percent of your remaining contact wage. I honestly think that in Arnie's case if he hadn't handed in the transfer request and we held out for say £30 million then after all of the above has been sorted with the player we probably wouldn't have that much more than the reported £24 million we'll have now. However, too many players/agents engineer moves to avoid losing cash and so that their poor egos are not hurt by fans reaction to transfer request. If only they all had the bollocks to put one in. At least clubs normally tell a player they are surplus so they can sort out a move and keep their cash
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Post by moz on Jul 19, 2017 20:27:54 GMT
Why are we so soft with players. If a player hands in a transfer request then he is effectively going on strike so why do we continue to pay his wages? Refusing to pay his wages will give him a chance to go to the FIFA and ask to get his contract terminated which means we will get no money from his transfer.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 19, 2017 23:36:42 GMT
How is it? Nzonzi handed in a couple. Did he go on strike? No. At least nzonzi still gave 100% do you think Arnie gave 100% last season??? If Arnie wanted out last season he wouldn't of signed a new contract. We'd either have been forced to sell him on the cheap or he'd now be picking through various daft contract offers with us picking up fuck all. Get over it. He's going and we're banking 20 million profit
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Post by kustokie on Jul 19, 2017 23:50:18 GMT
my understanding is that handing in a transfer request weakens a players position in terms of his exit by handing it in he forfeits any golden handshake, im sure most players should they be sold and have not requested to are paid up the remainder of a contract or a large payment could be wrong That's basically correct. One more important thing to add: the team that signs the player can and will compensate the player for any lost loyalty payments as part of the signing bonus. Top players hold most of the cards.
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