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Post by stokemark on Jul 19, 2017 8:35:57 GMT
People who think that Stoke need to spend massive amounts of money to a achieve success are massively deluded. Even if we had that sort of money you would never attract players of that callibre to Stoke in the first place. For us it's about building a team spirit like Leicester did and bringing in a bit of quality to raise the overall performance of the team. The amount of money being chucked around at the moment is ridiculous and about a third of it seems to be ending up in agents pockets. This is the reality of 'spending big'... giving some lard arse agent massive amounts of money to engineer moves to and away from clubs without any regard whatsoever for clubs and/or supporters feelings. 'A man who knows the price of everything knows the value of nothing' Oscar Wilde. Do you think we will get a team spirit like Leicester with Mark Hughes in charge ? The issue for me is that we have decided to not change the manager, not invest significantly in the team (this may change but I doubt it) and yet somehow expect improvement when we have been stagnating for the last 18 months. I don't see where the impetus is coming from for that change to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 9:49:21 GMT
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Post by philb on Jul 19, 2017 9:51:21 GMT
Spending a lot of money does not grantee a good player,our best players have cost a fraction of our failed super stars.Getting the right player is the most important thing. Spot on. Some team from London are paying £24m for a 28 year old hit and miss sulky moody lazy twat 😂
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Jul 19, 2017 9:54:43 GMT
Only premiership team that has to sell to spend ! Multi million pound family plus sky money and we're still waiting for the reduced items in lidl !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 9:57:23 GMT
Only premiership team that has to sell to spend ! Multi million pound family plus sky money and we're still waiting for the reduced items in lidl ! Really? So every other team has spent more than they've sold players for this summer so far, yeah?
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Post by philb on Jul 19, 2017 9:58:36 GMT
Only premiership team that has to sell to spend ! Multi million pound family plus sky money and we're still waiting for the reduced items in lidl ! Unfortunately you can't just keep buying players and not selling them, for obvious reasons, it's not FIFA 17! We don't need to sell to buy for monetary reasons.
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Jul 19, 2017 10:08:18 GMT
We just seem to be tickling over every season. The odd so called big money signing just to keep the fans happy. We never really seem to gamble on 4 or 5 decent money players to take us forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 10:19:38 GMT
We just seem to be tickling over every season. The odd so called big money signing just to keep the fans happy. We never really seem to gamble on 4 or 5 decent money players to take us forward. Well, that's just like 75% of the teams in the league then, isn't it? And just what do you think that gamble on '4 or 5 decent money players' will actually achieve, in your opinion (realistically)? Other than increasing our debt burden of course.
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Post by Stokyo on Jul 19, 2017 10:22:34 GMT
Spending a lot of money does not grantee a good player,our best players have cost a fraction of our failed super stars.Getting the right player is the most important thing. Spending no money guarantees we are up shit creek this season though. Relegation battle.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 19, 2017 10:26:00 GMT
We just seem to be tickling over every season. The odd so called big money signing just to keep the fans happy. We never really seem to gamble on 4 or 5 decent money players to take us forward. Because the bloody squad is full. We finished last season with 24 registered players We've lost Bony,Bruno,Given & Walters We've gained Joselu, Bojan, Wolly & Fletcher So we still have 24 players. It's not about selling to raise funds but making room in the squad for numbers/wage bill. Swansea and Watford are in a very similar position. I think West Ham are virtually full again once Arnie signs for them WBA finished last year with only 18 registered players.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jul 19, 2017 10:32:55 GMT
I agree, I think we need to be spending a minimum 50 to 60m personally to really seriously challenge for 8th. Going in to the summer I felt we ended to spend 40m plus any sales and that was not considering Arni going, so things have changed and the club need to change their plans accordingly. Still can't see it happening though.
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Post by mrred on Jul 19, 2017 10:46:59 GMT
I agree, I think we need to be spending a minimum 50 to 60m personally to really seriously challenge for 8th. Going in to the summer I felt we ended to spend 40m plus any sales and that was not considering Arni going, so things have changed and the club need to change their plans accordingly. Still can't see it happening though. The Fletcher signing signalled everything we need to know about our spending. We're trying to tick over for another season with spending as little as possible. Though Arnie won't be a massive loss, we need to start looking at Southampton who seem to replace players with relative ease.
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Post by stokie1954 on Jul 19, 2017 11:06:57 GMT
I agree, I think we need to be spending a minimum 50 to 60m personally to really seriously challenge for 8th. Going in to the summer I felt we ended to spend 40m plus any sales and that was not considering Arni going, so things have changed and the club need to change their plans accordingly. Still can't see it happening though. The Fletcher signing signalled everything we need to know about our spending. We're trying to tick over for another season with spending as little as possible. Though Arnie won't be a massive loss, we need to start looking at Southampton who seem to replace players with relative ease. Southampton have had managers who have been prepared to play the kids from their academy. Hughes,like Pulis,won't!.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 19, 2017 12:41:08 GMT
Season after Season we have lacked Goals and the necessary bloke to net them. Berahino may be the answer this season but TBH I can't see it so MH and Mr Coates need to bring in a proven striker with recent form. Crouchy is fine for the odd impact off the bench, but now with SJW off who will net them Goals...Shaq? Ramadan? They should do, they only need to score 2 each to cover the 4 he scored last season..
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Post by superbojan on Jul 19, 2017 12:43:34 GMT
at the moment we will spend 20 mill max
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Post by wingy11 on Jul 19, 2017 13:04:32 GMT
Before we spunk millions on players that dont fit systems we could do with a coach coming in and actually give some basic drill sessions on corners and set pieces for starters converting more than 10% of them would send us further up the league. Then some fitness drills we dont seem able to preform for 60 mins never mind 90, we need get back to basics and see where we are then. But obviously we need players in to refresh the team and give fans a lift, id be pissed if we sell arnie then bring in another 32 year old in young, pathetic. This season will deffo see us in reglation zone come october with the start we have unless something changes!! But under hughes weve never started brilliant
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Post by stokie1130 on Jul 19, 2017 13:23:18 GMT
I know there is still plenty of time yet, but I'm finding it very worrying that, every fan could see what our squad was lacking last season and there has been not movement on any the positions that everyone and their dog could see we needed to fill, and it's not a short list really is it.
New LWB as our current one can't cross a ball for shit.
RWB as Johnson is always croged and bards is a defender not a wing back. CB × 2 I know Zuma is comeing but we will still need to replace him in 12 months so it's just prolonging the problem , who knows what's happening with Bruno, and Shawcross in my eyes is done, and can't be relied up on with his back.
So basically a completely new back 4 is needed.
Now a replacement for Arnie and also depending on if Hughes makes up his mind about Imbula he needs selling and replacing.
Then god knows what's going to happen if Beraino get injured or keeps this drout going on, do we revert back to playing crouch again.
This post has just made me even more depressed about the comeing season.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 19, 2017 13:28:04 GMT
Well here is some advice. Get a grip. There is 43 days left. Just because we haven't heard anything it does not mean nothing is happening. And even when we do hear stuff how do we know it is true? Bruno was signing for us and palace last week now he is in Mexico, courtesy of the always reliable sky sports. You must have far too much time on your hands if you are stressing over this.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 19, 2017 13:29:50 GMT
I know there is still plenty of time yet, but I'm finding it very worrying that, every fan could see what our squad was lacking last season and there has been not movement on any the positions that everyone and their dog could see we needed to fill, and it's not a short list really is it. New LWB as our current one can't cross a ball for shit. RWB as Johnson is always croged and bards is a defender not a wing back. CB × 2 I know Zuma is comeing but we will still need to replace him in 12 months so it's just prolonging the problem , who knows what's happening with Bruno, and Shawcross in my eyes is done, and can't be relied up on with his back. So basically a completely new back 4 is needed. Now a replacement for Arnie and also depending on if Hughes makes up his mind about Imbula he needs selling and replacing. Then god knows what's going to happen if Beraino get injured or keeps this drout going on, do we revert back to playing crouch again. This post has just made me even more depressed about the comeing season. Have a word with waggy his mate Trevor likes to fill holes
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Post by stokie1130 on Jul 19, 2017 13:36:11 GMT
Well here is some advice. Get a grip. There is 43 days left. Just because we haven't heard anything it does not mean nothing is happening. And even when we do hear stuff how do we know it is true? Bruno was signing for us and palace last week now he is in Mexico, courtesy of the always reliable sky sports. You must have far too much time on your hands if you are stressing over this. As I said in the first sentance, I know we have plenty of time till the window is shut, what I was makeing a point of, is there is a lot of business that needs to be done, and in my experience and I'm sure everyone else's with out club, we arnt exactly one of the best teams to get deals over the line and in time for the start of the season, also I can't not see us filling all these gaps that I mentioned as it's us and I can't remember a time when we have got 5 or 6 new players In a window, which bring me on to another point, if we all can see it WTF do they see ??
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 19, 2017 13:37:26 GMT
Good, lord.
Are you a glass half empty sort? Lol
Berahino, Diouf and N'Goy isnt a bad pool of strikers to call on.
We have teo young fullbacks to give a shot at games. Pieters isn't good at crossing but I actually like him and think that nit every fullback has to overlap... Especially if we have a hard working LW player who has movement the full length of the pitch.... Like Ramadan appears capable of.
Sweeney will get a bedding in year at the courtesy of Zouma hopefully.
IMO a RW to move Shaqiri to the middle and a long term quality CM to sit next to Allen (Fletcher probably has 18 months) are much more important for right now.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 19, 2017 13:38:50 GMT
I know there is still plenty of time yet, but I'm finding it very worrying that, every fan could see what our squad was lacking last season and there has been not movement on any the positions that everyone and their dog could see we needed to fill, and it's not a short list really is it. New LWB as our current one can't cross a ball for shit. RWB as Johnson is always croged and bards is a defender not a wing back. CB × 2 I know Zuma is comeing but we will still need to replace him in 12 months so it's just prolonging the problem , who knows what's happening with Bruno, and Shawcross in my eyes is done, and can't be relied up on with his back. So basically a completely new back 4 is needed. Now a replacement for Arnie and also depending on if Hughes makes up his mind about Imbula he needs selling and replacing. Then god knows what's going to happen if Beraino get injured or keeps this drout going on, do we revert back to playing crouch again. This post has just made me even more depressed about the comeing season. We won't be signing a RB whilst Bards & Johnson are on the books, we just don't have the room for another.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 13:41:32 GMT
When I saw the title of this thread, I expected two things: 1) That it was a thread started by Waggy and his latest update with Colin; and 2) Bojan Mackey advising which of Bojan's potential penis receiving orifices he hasn't yet violated
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 19, 2017 13:44:59 GMT
I know there is still plenty of time yet, but I'm finding it very worrying that, every fan could see what our squad was lacking last season and there has been not movement on any the positions that everyone and their dog could see we needed to fill, and it's not a short list really is it. New LWB as our current one can't cross a ball for shit. RWB as Johnson is always croged and bards is a defender not a wing back. CB × 2 I know Zuma is comeing but we will still need to replace him in 12 months so it's just prolonging the problem , who knows what's happening with Bruno, and Shawcross in my eyes is done, and can't be relied up on with his back. So basically a completely new back 4 is needed. Now a replacement for Arnie and also depending on if Hughes makes up his mind about Imbula he needs selling and replacing. Then god knows what's going to happen if Beraino get injured or keeps this drout going on, do we revert back to playing crouch again. This post has just made me even more depressed about the comeing season. let's hope your hole gets filled before very pissy pants, are u incontinent
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 19, 2017 13:45:09 GMT
Well here is some advice. Get a grip. There is 43 days left. Just because we haven't heard anything it does not mean nothing is happening. And even when we do hear stuff how do we know it is true? Bruno was signing for us and palace last week now he is in Mexico, courtesy of the always reliable sky sports. You must have far too much time on your hands if you are stressing over this. As I said in the first sentance, I know we have plenty of time till the window is shut, what I was makeing a point of, is there is a lot of business that needs to be done, and in my experience and I'm sure everyone else's with out club, we arnt exactly one of the best teams to get deals over the line and in time for the start of the season, also I can't not see us filling all these gaps that I mentioned as it's us and I can't remember a time when we have got 5 or 6 new players In a window, which bring me on to another point, if we all can see it WTF do they see ?? You can't remember a time when we signed 5 or 6 players? Mark Hughes first four summers, virtually every summer with he who shall not be named. And I am sure they do see it, they won't be sat there twiddling their thumbs, they will be doing something, we just keep our business quiet. Many signings have snuck up on his without a moment's notice. Few links to the Austrian Heskey, Ireland, muniesa, assaidi, Moses, bojan, sidwell, Johnson, given, haugaard, butland, nzonzi, Adam, afellay, joselu, Allen, grant, Martins Indi all until we knew it was agreed. And they are just off the top of my head.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 10:38:21 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 22, 2017 10:44:12 GMT
Well here is some advice. Get a grip. There is 43 days left. Just because we haven't heard anything it does not mean nothing is happening. And even when we do hear stuff how do we know it is true? Bruno was signing for us and palace last week now he is in Mexico, courtesy of the always reliable sky sports. You must have far too much time on your hands if you are stressing over this. As I said in the first sentance, I know we have plenty of time till the window is shut, what I was makeing a point of, is there is a lot of business that needs to be done, and in my experience and I'm sure everyone else's with out club, we arnt exactly one of the best teams to get deals over the line and in time for the start of the season, also I can't not see us filling all these gaps that I mentioned as it's us and I can't remember a time when we have got 5 or 6 new players In a window, which bring me on to another point, if we all can see it WTF do they see ?? I seem to remember tone signed a dozen players one summer , Owen included
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Post by block29cb on Jul 22, 2017 10:50:19 GMT
Unfortunately for us fans I think Mark Hughes will have to rely on those players he spent BIG TIME on in previous transfer windows. It's about having a team identity now and sticking to it.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 22, 2017 11:28:20 GMT
Very good description of the situation from legend Pejic.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 22, 2017 11:29:48 GMT
Unfortunately for us fans I think Mark Hughes will have to rely on those players he spent BIG TIME on in previous transfer windows. It's about having a team identity now and sticking to it. Which is fine as long as our identity is not a team full of individuals who won't work as a team or a team of old slow over the hill has been's.
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