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Post by jonnybravo on Jul 18, 2017 19:14:40 GMT
We spent big last year, 18 million on imbula, 13 on Allen, 12 on Berahino 4 on Ramadan
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 18, 2017 19:20:53 GMT
No, what we need to do is get the right players in, that doesn't always mean spending big time, look at Arnie, he was peanuts in comparison to what people are spending now, it's not all about the size of the cheque.
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Post by stokemark on Jul 18, 2017 19:23:28 GMT
im not confident sobi will fill arnies boots...hes not as strong.. doesn't control long balls like him either Really? Not as strong? I'm fairly sure I've seen Ramadan every time he's played for us and I don't recall him being bullied off the ball. In fact I only recall him out musceling defenders Anyway... They are different players. Arnie is unplayable on his day. But those days just simply don't happen enough. Ramadan from what we've seen so far is very tricky. Takes on his man. Will get alot of assists and works hard for the team. He's ready to step up and I have no worries at all on him playing on the left flank week in week out. I think he'll compliment the team well, and fingers crossed if Shaq can keep fit we'll have no issues on the wings what so ever The issue isn't just about 'the wings' it's about creativity or the distinct lack of it. We have just sold (or are about to sell) our most creative player who,I would argue is the only real matchwinner we have. We were desperately short of creativity, pace and guile before Arnie went so know have a major job to fill the hole. You talk about 'keeping Shaq fit' like it's a given - his track record says he won't stay fit and will likely not play more than 20 games. If we go into the season with what we have now we will struggle desperately for goals and we need to buy at least 2 quality offensive players as well as get Zouma, BMI, Delph and another defensive midlfielder as a minimum. Add to that a decent right back and that's a lot of activity and given we have only signed one player on a free and another for a relatively small sum thenwe sure as hell need to pull our finger out and quick !
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Post by ratters on Jul 18, 2017 19:26:52 GMT
Why does everyone say we must buy a striker? We bought Berahino, people need to get off football manager, we wont buy another striker!
Ngoy will replace Walters and Verlinden will replace Arnie. (people moan these guys dont get a chance, then moan when we dont bring players in). If someone can point me to someone who is available and value for money then feel free.
Stoke as a football club cannot afford to spend big (and none of this its a lack of trust of hughes), in terms of money that belongs to stoke, we have very little once wages have been spent, anything else that is spent is not ours. If people are so concerned the they should go and spend there own 20 million and not expect others to do so with there money.
We can always go back to playing in league 1, can no one be greatful for what we have and if we dont have that for much longer just enjoy it for what it is? I never thought id see us in the top division, so everything no is just a bonus. And of course we shouldnt take what we have for granted, but it doesnt mean we need to chuck money at it constantly and still end up in a mess, just let it be for what it is and what comes will come
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Post by lordb on Jul 18, 2017 19:28:44 GMT
Don't see what Peter Gabriel has to do with all this.
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Post by stokemark on Jul 18, 2017 19:31:06 GMT
Why does everyone say we must buy a striker? We bought Berahino, people need to get off football manager, we wont buy another striker! Ngoy will replace Walters and Verlinden will replace Arnie. (people moan these guys dont get a chance, then moan when we dont bring players in). If someone can point me to someone who is available and value for money then feel free. Stoke as a football club cannot afford to spend big (and none of this its a lack of trust of hughes), in terms of money that belongs to stoke, we have very little once wages have been spent, anything else that is spent is not ours. If people are so concerned the they should go and spend there own 20 million and not expect others to do so with there money. We can always go back to playing in league 1, can no one be greatful for what we have and if we dont have that for much longer just enjoy it for what it is? I never thought id see us in the top division, so everything no is just a bonus. And of course we shouldnt take what we have for granted, but it doesnt mean we need to chuck money at it constantly and still end up in a mess, just let it be for what it is and what comes will come Have you watched Stoke over the last 18 months ? Follow your strategy and we will go down - our owner is a multi-millionaire and has, like you, got to decide if he wants to see Stoke compete and thrive or return to obscurity.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Jul 18, 2017 19:36:13 GMT
Really? Not as strong? I'm fairly sure I've seen Ramadan every time he's played for us and I don't recall him being bullied off the ball. In fact I only recall him out musceling defenders Anyway... They are different players. Arnie is unplayable on his day. But those days just simply don't happen enough. Ramadan from what we've seen so far is very tricky. Takes on his man. Will get alot of assists and works hard for the team. He's ready to step up and I have no worries at all on him playing on the left flank week in week out. I think he'll compliment the team well, and fingers crossed if Shaq can keep fit we'll have no issues on the wings what so ever The issue isn't just about 'the wings' it's about creativity or the distinct lack of it. We have just sold (or are about to sell) our most creative player who,I would argue is the only real matchwinner we have. We were desperately short of creativity, pace and guile before Arnie went so know have a major job to fill the hole. You talk about 'keeping Shaq fit' like it's a given - his track record says he won't stay fit and will likely not play more than 20 games. If we go into the season with what we have now we will struggle desperately for goals and we need to buy at least 2 quality offensive players as well as get Zouma, BMI, Delph and another defensive midlfielder as a minimum. Add to that a decent right back and that's a lot of activity and given we have only signed one player on a free and another for a relatively small sum thenwe sure as hell need to pull our finger out and quick ! I agree. I was being optimistic about Shaq. But... You never know. He did come off the back of the Euros.. No break etc etc etc On the face of it.. the squad looks weaker without Arnie. Ofcourse it does But the slightl unknown of Ramadan should be exciting. It is to me 95% of the support were all baffled as to why Ramadan was dropped after having a run in the team 3/4 into the season where he was so impressive he was genuinely considered as being infront of Arnie / Shaq. But the fact was, he's still young, he's still learning, Hughes has done the right thing with him and it's paid off as now it seems Ramadan will have the platform to show everyone what he's all about. We don't need a huge overhaul. We've got plenty of centre midfield options. We've got Ramadan. Shaq. NGoy. Verlinden. Diouf on wings. What we do need is a right back. And the much talked about centre back positions. I'm a big fan of Imbula and I really want him to stay. With less emphasis on him tracking back he could work if Bojan flops his chance in the team. Fletcher is a cracking signing and we're sure to be a little more organised and marshalled better infront of the back four. We've got so much talent and so much potential talent in the first team squad, with the correct additions (defensively!) We will be a better side than last season
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 18, 2017 19:39:40 GMT
I must admit to being slightly concerned about where we are, having just sold Arnie.
Good financial business by the way, £3m to £24m in four years, not bad!
But it will only take a long term injury to Berahino or for him to turn out to be shit and who will score for us? Crouch? Six at best this season. Diouf - misses far too many chances? Walters - gone. Bojan - lightweight. Shaq - injury prone.
If things stay as they are, I would not be surprised to see us struggle this year. And one thing is a given, we WILL be bottom three after six games. 7/1 currently to go down, which puts us on a healthy 9th most likely to go down, but I think 7/1 is a value bet not really indicative of the current squad. After all, this IS Stoke and we all know how it can all go horribly wrong just like that!
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Post by gezzer on Jul 18, 2017 19:39:49 GMT
Season after Season we have lacked Goals and the necessary bloke to net them. Berahino may be the answer this season but TBH I can't see it so MH and Mr Coates need to bring in a proven striker with recent form. Crouchy is fine for the odd impact off the bench, but now with SJW off who will net them Goals...Shaq? Ramadan?
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Post by boothenesque on Jul 18, 2017 19:53:11 GMT
Spending a lot of money does not grantee a good player,our best players have cost a fraction of our failed super stars.Getting the right player is the most important thing. Bang on. It's getting the right player in. Arnie cost 2m. We just need to unearth another gem. Ramadam may be it but I'd like another couple of options aswell Bang on. Invest in scouting, the academy and see what good deals we get. We're not Barca, PSG, Chelsea or ManU. Need to get real. Need good player that help us consolidate, build for a sustainable future and edge forward. Last season was a half step back but we're still in good shape and taking a risk like blowing loads on panic buys or someone that fails like Placios or Imbula is not a good plan. Need to chill out, get a grip and be smart, not headless chicken wailing like babies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 19:54:04 GMT
Sobi is a better player now than when Arnie first arrived. He is but he isn't as good as when Arnie is leaving and that's the problem. The lad has bags of potential but he's played a handful of minutes at anything that can be classed as a decent standard of football. IF (and its a massive if at this point) that he reaches his potential we won't see it for a year or two yet. The sale of Arnie has weakened the squad massively regardless of what potential NGoy Verlinden or Sobhi have shown.
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Post by silverdollar on Jul 18, 2017 20:07:43 GMT
This is an excellent return on our initial investment! He critisized Stoke for not being ambitious and chooses to sign for West Ham. I don't know the man at all but it tells me that he mustn't be very bright. Likewise his greedy brother! This is a great deal for Stoke and if we can get £15m for Imbula it gives us the means to invest the £39 million in new players for our squad especially defenders and creative midfield player. When you consider the talented young players we presently have it promises much for our future in the Premier League. There are around forty days left of the transfer window. Spend wisely! Silver we need to invest at least 50m from here two goal scorers gone from a team that can't score , we need a winger , a striker , two centre halves and a midfielder , can't see it happening personally even if we were so inclined I don't think our transfer team could deliver it In Berahino, Campbell and NGoy we have three excellent players who are going to be brilliant for this club. Add to that Sobhi and Verlinden and you do not need a gypsy to read our future. We have two excellent young full backs who are being invited by England for training or playing. This team has the potential to be as exciting as Spurs. Just let's remain calm and get quality older players just this season and then watch us take off next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 20:08:37 GMT
Season after Season we have lacked Goals and the necessary bloke to net them. Berahino may be the answer this season but TBH I can't see it so MH and Mr Coates need to bring in a proven striker with recent form. Crouchy is fine for the odd impact off the bench, but now with SJW off who will net them Goals...Shaq? Ramadan? There is absolutely nothing wrong with Berahino or for that matter Diouf. We need to play to their strengths. Do that and we'll score more goals. Hughes needs learn how to utilise the talent he has in his team.. If he does we'll be OK. I have to say I have serious reservations about his ability to do that.
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Post by richardparker on Jul 18, 2017 20:12:15 GMT
This again? Seriously? Ramadan is going to fill Arnie's boots and then some. The kid is a superstar. The Arnie money... For me it can go on a new right back. BMI and Zouma. Stoke DO NOT need to directly replace Arnie. We've got Ramadona. Perhaps we need a backup for Ramadan... But I'd imagine that'll come in the form of the youth lads who've been promoted. im not confident sobi will fill arnies boots...hes not as strong.. doesn't control long balls like him either He's better defensively than Arnie ever was.
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Post by stonestokie76 on Jul 18, 2017 20:13:22 GMT
No!, but we already know that right :-)
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Post by hcstokey on Jul 18, 2017 20:15:16 GMT
We don't need to spend big money,we just need Hughes to sort a system out and buy the correct players to play in it, he got it right before and needs to do it again
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Post by gezzer on Jul 18, 2017 20:16:56 GMT
Season after Season we have lacked Goals and the necessary bloke to net them. Berahino may be the answer this season but TBH I can't see it so MH and Mr Coates need to bring in a proven striker with recent form. Crouchy is fine for the odd impact off the bench, but now with SJW off who will net them Goals...Shaq? Ramadan? There is absolutely nothing wrong with Berahino or for that matter Diouf. We need to play to their strengths. Do that and we'll score more goals. Hughes needs learn how to utilise the talent he has in his team.. If he does we'll be OK. I have to say I have serious reservations about his ability to do that. and you base your assumptions on Diouf & Berahino's scoring ability on what? What 'strenghts' are those exactly??
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Post by ratters on Jul 18, 2017 21:21:05 GMT
Why does everyone say we must buy a striker? We bought Berahino, people need to get off football manager, we wont buy another striker! Ngoy will replace Walters and Verlinden will replace Arnie. (people moan these guys dont get a chance, then moan when we dont bring players in). If someone can point me to someone who is available and value for money then feel free. Stoke as a football club cannot afford to spend big (and none of this its a lack of trust of hughes), in terms of money that belongs to stoke, we have very little once wages have been spent, anything else that is spent is not ours. If people are so concerned the they should go and spend there own 20 million and not expect others to do so with there money. We can always go back to playing in league 1, can no one be greatful for what we have and if we dont have that for much longer just enjoy it for what it is? I never thought id see us in the top division, so everything no is just a bonus. And of course we shouldnt take what we have for granted, but it doesnt mean we need to chuck money at it constantly and still end up in a mess, just let it be for what it is and what comes will come Have you watched Stoke over the last 18 months ? Follow your strategy and we will go down - our owner is a multi-millionaire and has, like you, got to decide if he wants to see Stoke compete and thrive or return to obscurity. Yes I didnt miss a game. We may well go down, but you can't just go and spend 12 mill on Berahino then 6 months later expect another striker unless we sell him. Same for other positions (yes we do need a right back) but as soon as you give Johnson a new contract thats it, the decision is made and no point continuing on that we must spend. If Zouma and BMI come in, one of Muniesa or Wolly needs to go. Same for midfield unless we let players go. Id rather us give Imbula another shot unless someone gives us the money back. Again with the forwards, and whether we as fans think they are good enough is beside the point, we still currently have 4 forwards + Ngoy, so until any of them go we are not going to sign anyone else as we play 1 up front. We could do with another winger but it doesnt mean we need to spend big and replace Arnie as we have to give the kids a go. Look how good Calvert-Lewin was for Everton last season when he played, thought he was very decent, Verlinden could do the same
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jul 18, 2017 21:24:58 GMT
35m absolute max.
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Post by stokie1 on Jul 18, 2017 21:36:06 GMT
Silver we need to invest at least 50m from here two goal scorers gone from a team that can't score , we need a winger , a striker , two centre halves and a midfielder , can't see it happening personally even if we were so inclined I don't think our transfer team could deliver it In Berahino, Campbell and NGoy we have three excellent players who are going to be brilliant for this club. Add to that Sobhi and Verlinden and you do not need a gypsy to read our future. We have two excellent young full backs who are being invited by England for training or playing. This team has the potential to be as exciting as Spurs. Just let's remain calm and get quality older players just this season and then watch us take off next season. Wow! I want whatever you're on! That is the most positive assessment I have seen! I really hope your right. I wonder why the club don't come out and say that they are building for the future and investing in young up and coming players and will give youth the chance to flourish. I think the fans would get behind this and support it all the way. Right now our strategy is really unclear and the lay two season were pretty disappointing so the fans are looking for something to believe in!
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Post by lordb on Jul 18, 2017 21:47:19 GMT
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Berahino or for that matter Diouf. We need to play to their strengths. Do that and we'll score more goals. Hughes needs learn how to utilise the talent he has in his team.. If he does we'll be OK. I have to say I have serious reservations about his ability to do that. and you base your assumptions on Diouf & Berahino's scoring ability on what? What 'strenghts' are those exactly?? Diouf's first touch is unreliable however he proved in his first season that he will score goals because he gets in the right positions and is brave with it. He does miss a lot too but like any proper striker he doesn't let missed get to him. + He's reasonably quick. Berahino showed earlier in his career that he can be a regular goal scorer,very good in one and ones and can score spectacular curlers from outside the box. Has let the situation at Albion effect him for too long. Given the right service seems clear to me that either would score the dozen goals or so required. Stoke need to get back to the positive approach of 2015. Nothing stopping that other than themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 21:55:45 GMT
This is an excellent return on our initial investment! He critisized Stoke for not being ambitious and chooses to sign for West Ham. I don't know the man at all but it tells me that he mustn't be very bright. Likewise his greedy brother! This is a great deal for Stoke and if we can get £15m for Imbula it gives us the means to invest the £39 million in new players for our squad especially defenders and creative midfield player. When you consider the talented young players we presently have it promises much for our future in the Premier League. There are around forty days left of the transfer window. Spend wisely! It doesn't work like that. Players sold for £39M don't mean that we have £39M to spend. Previous clubs have sell on clauses, agents take a huge part of the fee. If we're lucky there may only be one agent, but with most transfers these days there tends to be two or more. They may collect anywhere between 25-40% of the fee. The only good thing about Arnautovic's transfer is that he put in a written request, which means he waives any percentage he might otherwise have been due according to the terms of his contract.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 18, 2017 21:57:38 GMT
This again? Seriously? Ramadan is going to fill Arnie's boots and then some. The kid is a superstar. The Arnie money... For me it can go on a new right back. BMI and Zouma. Stoke DO NOT need to directly replace Arnie. We've got Ramadona. Perhaps we need a backup for Ramadan... But I'd imagine that'll come in the form of the youth lads who've been promoted. im not confident sobi will fill arnies boots...hes not as strong.. doesn't control long balls like him either Sohbi is easily as strong as Arnie, his end product isn't as good yet but he has potential.
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Post by stokebloke on Jul 18, 2017 22:08:01 GMT
I dont think they need to spend big spend wisely more like Imbula.... 😁
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Post by kaney78 on Jul 19, 2017 2:24:02 GMT
Season after Season we have lacked Goals and the necessary bloke to net them. Berahino may be the answer this season but TBH I can't see it so MH and Mr Coates need to bring in a proven striker with recent form. Crouchy is fine for the odd impact off the bench, but now with SJW off who will net them Goals...Shaq? Ramadan? There is absolutely nothing wrong with Berahino or for that matter Diouf. We need to play to their strengths. Do that and we'll score more goals. Hughes needs learn how to utilise the talent he has in his team.. If he does we'll be OK. I have to say I have serious reservations about his ability to do that. agree on that.Not got that much faith in him anymore.certainly dnt think he would take us down but think he's taken us as far as he can.hopefully I'll be proven wrong though
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 19, 2017 3:02:27 GMT
We are absolutely definitely not going to outbid Chelsea man utd etc for the best established players.
We are not even going to get the next level down because they will go to Liverpool Everton etc
That's the reality of the English premier league.
Whether it works or not lets put an end to people like Bony imbula and johnston turning up at stoke to dick about doing not a lot ( and doing it badly) for millions. Because that turns my stomach
And ffs mark hughes stop trying to generate decent possession stats by moving the ball around at walking pace in our own half. The opposition are laughing at us And it's abysmal to watch
lets make some sort of genuine concerted effort to win the ball higher up the pitch and move the ball faster
Give sobhi Verlinden edwards ngoy and Tymon there chance and spend the 30 million quid on a massive investment in the youth set up and reduced ticket prices.
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Post by wingy11 on Jul 19, 2017 5:07:59 GMT
In Berahino, Campbell and NGoy we have three excellent players who are going to be brilliant for this club. Add to that Sobhi and Verlinden and you do not need a gypsy to read our future. We have two excellent young full backs who are being invited by England for training or playing. This team has the potential to be as exciting as Spurs. Just let's remain calm and get quality older players just this season and then watch us take off next season. Wow! I want whatever you're on! That is the most positive assessment I have seen! I really hope your right. I wonder why the club don't come out and say that they are building for the future and investing in young up and coming players and will give youth the chance to flourish. I think the fans would get behind this and support it all the way. Right now our strategy is really unclear and the lay two season were pretty disappointing so the fans are looking for something to believe in! You cant just throw three to 4 young players in and expect them to florish straight away same as throwing money on 4-5 players coming in at once, it takes time, but the league we are in now is an harsh one and teams that dont spend money seem to get themselves in relegation battles, if the club are set against investment then i can see us being the next sumderland and avoiding relegation will be the only target.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 19, 2017 5:25:49 GMT
People who think that Stoke need to spend massive amounts of money to a achieve success are massively deluded.
Even if we had that sort of money you would never attract players of that callibre to Stoke in the first place.
For us it's about building a team spirit like Leicester did and bringing in a bit of quality to raise the overall performance of the team.
The amount of money being chucked around at the moment is ridiculous and about a third of it seems to be ending up in agents pockets.
This is the reality of 'spending big'... giving some lard arse agent massive amounts of money to engineer moves to and away from clubs without any regard whatsoever for clubs and/or supporters feelings.
'A man who knows the price of everything knows the value of nothing'
Oscar Wilde.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 19, 2017 6:17:54 GMT
Stoke have a number of potential purchasing strategies but spending BIG TIME (rightly) ain't one of them.
Our strategies are;
Buy high quality players towards the end of his career
Buy high quality players whose career has stalled
Buy young promising talent
Buy "journeymen" players who have talent that's been overlooked
We ain't in the market for star players who star is on the rise. We never have been. No need. Plenty of good value talent in the 4 areas above.
As mentioned by plenty of folk on this thread, the key is spending wisely.
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Post by moz on Jul 19, 2017 7:13:24 GMT
Creativity isn't front line exclusive. We need at least RB and CB who can take fast creative decisions to help us going forward rather than keeping the ball for too long or pass it to the nearest player.
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