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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 28, 2017 6:21:55 GMT
Fingers crossed that the Justice Department will have strong enough evidence to charge and convict at least the main culprits.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 28, 2017 6:45:34 GMT
Somebody has to be liable for something. It has been abundantly clear for so many years the various authorities were at best negligent, at worst indifferent to the safety of supporters.
Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
Gross negligence.
Perjury?
I do get the feeling I will be copying and pasting my own words again in the next day or two.
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Post by werrington on Jun 28, 2017 6:49:43 GMT
Fingers crossed they feel the force if the British justice system
The one they abused so heavily
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 28, 2017 6:53:31 GMT
AND ANOTHER THING...... if charges are brought people need to be very careful of what they post. This is a public forum and it could be seen as influencing justice or whatever the legal terminologies are. That's the kind of think Lakeland knows!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 28, 2017 6:54:42 GMT
Fingers crossed they feel the force if the British justice system The one they abused so heavily I question if charges will be brought at all. The establishment is still the establishment. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 28, 2017 7:49:53 GMT
One of the biggest problems is that this sorry saga does illustrate the saying that "justice delayed is justice denied". Some of the culprits will be in their graves by now. The original coroner died long ago. Had he still been alive he would hopefully have faced a charge of gross negligence. It is difficult to imagine how a qualified lawyer could have done such a ham-fisted job of presiding over the original inquest. His job was to get at the truth, instead he seems to have taken everything the police told him at face value BEFORE and DURING the inquest without even realising that some of the senior police themselves might have contributed to the disaster and had to be treated as potentially biased witnesses. His dereliction of duty means that the truth was obscured for a quarter of a century and the costs must have escalated by £millions.  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 28, 2017 7:58:35 GMT
One of the biggest problems is that this sorry saga does illustrate the saying that "justice delayed is justice denied". Some of the culprits will be in their graves by now. The original coroner died long ago. Had he still been alive he would hopefully have faced a charge of gross negligence. It is difficult to imagine how a qualified lawyer could have done such a ham-fisted job of presiding over the original inquest. His job was to get at the truth, instead he seems to have taken everything the police told him at face value BEFORE and DURING the inquest without even realising that some of the senior police themselves might have contributed to the disaster and had to be treated as potentially biased witnesses. His dereliction of duty means that the truth was obscured for a quarter of a century and the costs must have escalated by £millions. Because it was the establishment looking after itself. Football fans were an easy scapegoat. Higher echelons of the police force knew they could emerge unscathed by asserting their power and influence to discredit the victims because they were football fans. At that point football fans were an easy target. I hasten to add the majority of police officers on duty were also, in a very different way, victims of the Hillsborough disaster. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 28, 2017 8:04:33 GMT
One of the biggest problems is that this sorry saga does illustrate the saying that "justice delayed is justice denied". Some of the culprits will be in their graves by now. The original coroner died long ago. Had he still been alive he would hopefully have faced a charge of gross negligence. It is difficult to imagine how a qualified lawyer could have done such a ham-fisted job of presiding over the original inquest. His job was to get at the truth, instead he seems to have taken everything the police told him at face value BEFORE and DURING the inquest without even realising that some of the senior police themselves might have contributed to the disaster and had to be treated as potentially biased witnesses. His dereliction of duty means that the truth was obscured for a quarter of a century and the costs must have escalated by £millions. Because it was the establishment looking after itself. Football fans were an easy scapegoat. Higher echelons of the police force knew they could emerge unscathed by asserting their power and influence to discredit the victims because they were football fans. At that point football fans were an easy target. I hasten to add the majority of police officers on duty were also, in a very different way, victims of the Hillsborough disaster. I wonder, if any senior officers are convicted of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice (over the altering of junior officers' witness statements) whether the South Yorkshire Police themselves will eventually end up being sued for damages in the civil courts by some of their the junior staff as well as by the Hillsborough families? Assuming there are criminal convictions they are unlikely to be the end of the legal proceedings. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 28, 2017 8:08:06 GMT
Because it was the establishment looking after itself. Football fans were an easy scapegoat. Higher echelons of the police force knew they could emerge unscathed by asserting their power and influence to discredit the victims because they were football fans. At that point football fans were an easy target. I hasten to add the majority of police officers on duty were also, in a very different way, victims of the Hillsborough disaster. I wonder, if any senior officers are convicted of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice (over the altering of junior officers' witness statements) whether the South Yorkshire Police themselves will eventually end up being sued for damages in the civil courts by some of their the junior staff as well as by the Hillsborough families? Assuming there are criminal convictions they are unlikely to be the end of the legal proceedings. Some of the young police were bullied and marginalised and some left the force as a result. Combine this with the ongoing trauma of having to experience a day like that one legal action could be a feasible option |
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Post by Veritas on Jun 28, 2017 8:52:15 GMT
I hope the main culprits will be charged but I expect it will either be no-one or just a token scapegoat hung out to dry
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 28, 2017 10:22:20 GMT
Six to face criminal charges.....
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 28, 2017 10:24:50 GMT
Duckenfield to face charge of manslaughter by gross negligence - fantastic news!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 28, 2017 10:52:32 GMT
4 police officers including Duckenfield and Bettinson, solicitor acting for SYP and Sheff Wed club secretary who was responsible for ground safety.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 28, 2017 11:02:12 GMT
Because it was the establishment looking after itself. Football fans were an easy scapegoat. Higher echelons of the police force knew they could emerge unscathed by asserting their power and influence to discredit the victims because they were football fans. At that point football fans were an easy target. I hasten to add the majority of police officers on duty were also, in a very different way, victims of the Hillsborough disaster. I wonder, if any senior officers are convicted of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice (over the altering of junior officers' witness statements) whether the South Yorkshire Police themselves will eventually end up being sued for damages in the civil courts by some of their the junior staff as well as by the Hillsborough families? Assuming there are criminal convictions they are unlikely to be the end of the legal proceedings. Most will be drawing their big fat public pensions, they should stop the pensions with immediate effect and take back the money they have been paid since this incident. |
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Post by metalhead on Jun 28, 2017 11:05:55 GMT
I wonder, if any senior officers are convicted of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice (over the altering of junior officers' witness statements) whether the South Yorkshire Police themselves will eventually end up being sued for damages in the civil courts by some of their the junior staff as well as by the Hillsborough families? Assuming there are criminal convictions they are unlikely to be the end of the legal proceedings. Most will be drawing their big fat public pensions, they should stop the pensions with immediate effect and take back the money they have been paid since this incident. Well obviously they can't do that, but what is more disgusting is the fact the officers will continue to have the best representation in court, all paid for by yours truly. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 28, 2017 11:09:49 GMT
I wonder, if any senior officers are convicted of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice (over the altering of junior officers' witness statements) whether the South Yorkshire Police themselves will eventually end up being sued for damages in the civil courts by some of their the junior staff as well as by the Hillsborough families? Assuming there are criminal convictions they are unlikely to be the end of the legal proceedings. Most will be drawing their big fat public pensions, they should stop the pensions with immediate effect and take back the money they have been paid since this incident. I hope we will wait until convictions are (hopefully) secured before doing any such thing. The people who are about to be charged will be charged with breaking the law. For the state to remove their pensions before a trial even takes place would probably be the best way to ensure that the defence lawyers were able to mount a successful defence that the trail was unfair. But maybe your suggestion was made in the hope that they would be acquitted?  |
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Post by RAF on Jun 28, 2017 11:10:53 GMT
I wonder, if any senior officers are convicted of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice (over the altering of junior officers' witness statements) whether the South Yorkshire Police themselves will eventually end up being sued for damages in the civil courts by some of their the junior staff as well as by the Hillsborough families? Assuming there are criminal convictions they are unlikely to be the end of the legal proceedings. Most will be drawing their big fat public pensions, they should stop the pensions with immediate effect and take back the money they have been paid since this incident. With immediate effect after the trial and when they have been found guilty obviously. H |
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Post by borat on Jun 28, 2017 11:39:54 GMT
Great news, nearly 30 years too late though.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 28, 2017 12:04:01 GMT
Well I didn't expect that, here's hoping for a speedy trial to get everything in the open and concluded. I am no legal expert but I am fairly sure there is no way to get at their pensions but I would hope any defence costs for the police officers are not met by the public purse as they are now ex employees, if Sheff Wed want to cough up for their guy that is their choice.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 28, 2017 12:11:10 GMT
Most will be drawing their big fat public pensions, they should stop the pensions with immediate effect and take back the money they have been paid since this incident. With immediate effect after the trial and when they have been found guilty obviously. H When or if they are found guilty Even they are innocent until they either plead guilty or are found guilty in court |
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Post by Gods on Jun 28, 2017 12:14:32 GMT
There is certainly no way to get at their pensions, innocent or guilty, just forget that one.
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Post by RAF on Jun 28, 2017 12:20:09 GMT
With immediate effect after the trial and when they have been found guilty obviously. H When or if they are found guilty Even they are innocent until they either plead guilty or are found guilty in court That's what I was inferring in essence. H |
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Post by flashman on Jun 28, 2017 12:23:21 GMT
There is certainly no way to get at their pensions, innocent or guilty, just forget that one. spot on .....and to be honest innocent or guilty I'm not sure that if tat would be the right course of appropriate action anyway , especially when one considers what has gone before in other high profile cases . He certainly made a mistake or several big mistakes and perhaps misled the inquiry but whether or not he did this protect to himself or other officers I am not clear on . |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 26, 2021 10:03:45 GMT
An absolute scandal..........
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Post by spitthedog on May 26, 2021 10:18:59 GMT
An absolute scandal.......... It's really hard to put into words how disgusting this is. You just come away with absolutely no faith in the system. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 26, 2021 10:36:13 GMT
An absolute scandal.......... It's really hard to put into words how disgusting this is. You just come away with absolutely no faith in the system. And even after all these years I would expect nothing else from the establishment. Thank God for modern technology, smart phones etc. as at least any if any major incidents of this nature occur in the future there will be potential evidence to counter these types of cover ups............. #J4T96 |
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 26, 2021 10:59:56 GMT
Apparently the judge stopped the trial because the evidence and statements were taken for the previous Taylor public Inquiry in 1990 and not the criminal trial so he ruled them inadmissible. Just wow.
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Post by werrington on May 26, 2021 11:14:58 GMT
“ I can only conclude that the scales of justice in this country are weighed heavily against ordinary people”. Well said Andy Burnham
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 26, 2021 12:09:19 GMT
Words fail me! What a slap in the face for the families and friends of the 96!  |
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Post by lordb on May 26, 2021 12:32:48 GMT
Words fail me! What a slap in the face for the families and friends of the 96! & football fans everywhere |
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