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Post by crapslinger on Jun 9, 2017 22:25:46 GMT
No spin no bullshit answers who actually came out with the most seats ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 22:32:14 GMT
The DUP they are forming the next government with the support of the Tories.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 9, 2017 22:58:13 GMT
The EU.
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Post by Gods on Jun 9, 2017 23:21:53 GMT
The DUP they are forming the next government with the support of the Tories. The DUP are a pretty unsavory lot too. Lunatic climate change deniers with an anti-abortion agenda and horrible homophobes to boot. They have a predilection for a hard brexit despite the fact that Northern Ireland which they purport to represent was pro-remain. They should get on well with Mick Gove, Fat boy Johnson, Doc Fox, Dicky Davies and the other angry, bitter men on the extreme right of the conservative party. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jun 9, 2017 23:33:32 GMT
It was yet another tiny, if awkward step towards the 'will of the people'. Democracy, regaining the decision making and that. The bigger question now is 'Who are the People'? ![]() |
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 10, 2017 9:43:39 GMT
What have those thick, ignorant wet behind the ears youngsters done to our country  |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jun 10, 2017 9:47:16 GMT
What have those thick, ignorant wet behind the ears youngsters done to our country EDIT Fucked it up...... I'm i close ? |
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Post by imho on Jun 10, 2017 9:58:12 GMT
Democracy won....in that it might just might be the end of one party rule and be the start of more cross party working similar to what happens across Europe.
The downside is that it's left the country in a weak position to negotiate leaving the EU....I find it strange that the 'young vote' wanted to remain in Europe by by all accounts went to labour, whose leader has always been against the EU and to achieve some of his policies need us to be out of Europe
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 10, 2017 10:29:44 GMT
Boris Johnson.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 10:35:29 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 10, 2017 10:39:02 GMT
Yes! The Tories, after this shambles, will turn to a proven vote winner especially amongst the average Joe. In 1 year, we'll have gone from Cameron the porker to BoJo the porker! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 10:44:19 GMT
Yes Boris in training to be the next PM
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Post by redstriper on Jun 10, 2017 10:52:01 GMT
They wont turn to BJ in my opinion.
A) they don't need to
B) he doesn't have enough conviction or appetite for the hard work ahead.
ps. the tories won the election achieving 42.3% of the vote, 2.46% more than labour, and have 56 more seats.
corbyn seems to be unable to grasp this fact but hey ho.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 10, 2017 11:07:42 GMT
They wont turn to BJ in my opinion. A) they don't need to B) he doesn't have enough conviction or appetite for the hard work ahead. ps. the tories won the election achieving 42.3% of the vote, 2.46% more than labour, and have 56 more seats. corbyn seems to be unable to grasp this fact but hey ho. But, the economy is heading for the rocks i.e. inflation up, living standards falling and house prices on the edge of a cliff. No Tory would want to go into a g.e. with 'Weak and Wobbly' still leading them. They'll want to give the government time to get its 'feet under the table' first, start the E.U. negotiations etc. to give the impression of 'business as usual'. She's a dead woman walking(nice shoes though)? Even many senior Conservatives are saying the same thing. The swing needed for a Labour victory is now small. There are many seats Labour wouldn't have lost without the Referendum last year e.g. Stoke South, Walsall North, Mansfield. There are probably 8-10 seats in this category. Also, there are a huge number of seats with a majority of less than 500 votes e.g. Hastings and Rye, Soton. Itchen etc.. My guess is for an early October g.e. or May 2018. |
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Post by felonious on Jun 10, 2017 11:10:39 GMT
Ruth Davidson |
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Post by thevoid on Jun 10, 2017 11:10:43 GMT
Ruth Davidson future Tory leader?
Might bring a few students and members of the other 87 genders onboard.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 10, 2017 11:20:56 GMT
The Conservatives won the most seats - whether they won the election is dependent on whether you think a hung parliament is still a 'win' for the party with most seats.
Hope that helps. I'm shocked that you haven't figured that out yet - it's not that hard.
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Post by redstriper on Jun 10, 2017 11:24:24 GMT
They wont turn to BJ in my opinion. A) they don't need to B) he doesn't have enough conviction or appetite for the hard work ahead. ps. the tories won the election achieving 42.3% of the vote, 2.46% more than labour, and have 56 more seats. corbyn seems to be unable to grasp this fact but hey ho. But, the economy is heading for the rocks i.e. inflation up, living standards falling and house prices on the edge of a cliff. No Tory would want to go into a g.e. with 'Weak and Wobbly' still leading them. They'll want to give the government time to get its 'feet under the table' first, start the E.U. negotiations etc. to give the impression of 'business as usual'. She's a dead woman walking(nice shoes though)? Even many senior Conservatives are saying the same thing. The swing needed for a Labour victory is now small. There are many seats Labour wouldn't have lost without the Referendum last year e.g. Stoke South, Walsall North, Mansfield. There are probably 8-10 seats in this category. Also, there are a huge number of seats with a majority of less than 500 votes e.g. Hastings and Rye, Soton. Itchen etc.. My guess is for an early October g.e. or May 2018. Exactly why there wont be a election anytime soon. The tories have just won one and have a mandate for five years. If there is a leadership change it'll be done without fuss, at a time of their choosing, a leadership "battle" would be a disaster for the country at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 11:28:21 GMT
But, the economy is heading for the rocks i.e. inflation up, living standards falling and house prices on the edge of a cliff. No Tory would want to go into a g.e. with 'Weak and Wobbly' still leading them. They'll want to give the government time to get its 'feet under the table' first, start the E.U. negotiations etc. to give the impression of 'business as usual'. She's a dead woman walking(nice shoes though)? Even many senior Conservatives are saying the same thing. The swing needed for a Labour victory is now small. There are many seats Labour wouldn't have lost without the Referendum last year e.g. Stoke South, Walsall North, Mansfield. There are probably 8-10 seats in this category. Also, there are a huge number of seats with a majority of less than 500 votes e.g. Hastings and Rye, Soton. Itchen etc.. My guess is for an early October g.e. or May 2018. Exactly why there wont be a election anytime soon. The tories have just won one and have a mandate for five years. If there is a leadership change it'll be done without fuss, at a time of their choosing, a leadership "battle" would be a disaster for the country at the moment. Their mandate is pretty much void without the number of seats to back it up. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 10, 2017 11:34:54 GMT
No one won but an arrogant, out of touch opportunist dictator lost a perfectly serviceable majority, taking a needless risk in order to eliminate any opposition and to deliver a Brexit for the Establishment.
That's why she's toast.
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Jun 10, 2017 11:46:23 GMT
What have those thick, ignorant wet behind the ears youngsters done to our country Enough to make you bail out😂 |
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Jun 10, 2017 11:49:43 GMT
But, the economy is heading for the rocks i.e. inflation up, living standards falling and house prices on the edge of a cliff. No Tory would want to go into a g.e. with 'Weak and Wobbly' still leading them. They'll want to give the government time to get its 'feet under the table' first, start the E.U. negotiations etc. to give the impression of 'business as usual'. She's a dead woman walking(nice shoes though)? Even many senior Conservatives are saying the same thing. The swing needed for a Labour victory is now small. There are many seats Labour wouldn't have lost without the Referendum last year e.g. Stoke South, Walsall North, Mansfield. There are probably 8-10 seats in this category. Also, there are a huge number of seats with a majority of less than 500 votes e.g. Hastings and Rye, Soton. Itchen etc.. My guess is for an early October g.e. or May 2018. Exactly why there wont be a election anytime soon. The tories have just won one and have a mandate for five years. If there is a leadership change it'll be done without fuss, at a time of their choosing, a leadership "battle" would be a disaster for the country at the moment. There will be one sooner than you think. Minority governments especially one that will have to rely on a bunch of nutters to try and force something through that had been deemed not what most people want will fail and eventually lose a vote of confidence in the house. Your doomed I say doomed😜 |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jun 10, 2017 11:52:16 GMT
How many seats won is largely irrelevant in this instance. Getting a Queens speech through is. If the Tories can't then Labour can offer to try. That's how it works.
PS. You didn't win crapslinger and your ilk never will in this country.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jun 10, 2017 12:00:12 GMT
 Cosying up to the Tories proved toxic and nearly terminal for the Liberal Democrats in the Coalition and also for Labour in Scotland during the Scots Indy ref. It will be poetic justice if cosying up to the unpleasant DUP does the same for the Tories, considering that they worked so hard to lose the "nasty party" tag. |
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jun 10, 2017 12:07:18 GMT
In my view, there were no real winners. However, we have rid ourselves of the odious Paul Nuttall and his ilk and Scottish Independence is off the agenda, for the time being at least. They will be rubbing their hands in Brussels and Belfast.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 10, 2017 12:09:45 GMT
Cosying up to the Tories proved toxic and nearly terminal for the Liberal Democrats in the Coalition and also for Labour in Scotland during the Scots Indy ref. It will be poetic justice if cosying up to the unpleasant DUP does the same for the Tories, considering that they worked so hard to lose the "nasty party" tag. The Scottish Conservative Party has said yesterday it wants full independence from the British party i.e. have a German C.D.U. + Bavarian C.S.U. style arrangement. There is a very big Catholic population in Scotland and the political consequences of the national government being in bed with the ultra Protestant D.U.P. must fill Ruth Davidson with dread! |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jun 10, 2017 12:20:41 GMT
Cosying up to the Tories proved toxic and nearly terminal for the Liberal Democrats in the Coalition and also for Labour in Scotland during the Scots Indy ref. It will be poetic justice if cosying up to the unpleasant DUP does the same for the Tories, considering that they worked so hard to lose the "nasty party" tag. The Scottish Conservative Party has said yesterday it wants full independence from the British party i.e. have a German C.D.U. + Bavarian C.S.U. style arrangement. There is a very big Catholic population in Scotland and the political consequences of the national government being in bed with the ultra Protestant D.U.P. must fill Ruth Davidson with dread! Really? I hadn't heard. Seems about right though. There are far too many problems with this deal for it to last. Once people start turning over a few rocks in the DUP's backyard the wheels will soon come off.
Not to mention the £millions the DUP will extract from the exchequer as the price of their support. 
Or the loss of confidence in the Govt. as "honest broker" between the communities in Northern Ireland. That might be the most damaging aspect long term.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 10, 2017 14:04:11 GMT
The Scottish Conservative Party has said yesterday it wants full independence from the British party i.e. have a German C.D.U. + Bavarian C.S.U. style arrangement. There is a very big Catholic population in Scotland and the political consequences of the national government being in bed with the ultra Protestant D.U.P. must fill Ruth Davidson with dread! Really? I hadn't heard. Seems about right though. There are far too many problems with this deal for it to last. Once people start turning over a few rocks in the DUP's backyard the wheels will soon come off.
Not to mention the £millions the DUP will extract from the exchequer as the price of their support.
Or the loss of confidence in the Govt. as "honest broker" between the communities in Northern Ireland. That might be the most damaging aspect long term.
Apparently, apart from the 'cash to ash' fuel scandal there are rumours of Saudi money financing their Brexit campaign? But, you're right about Britain losing its role as honest broker in N.I.. Sinn Fein don't want to take part in power sharing which would mean direct role from London with the D.U.P. pulling the strings at Westminster? An expert on Irish affairs on 'Sky' has said the D.U.P will extract extra money from May as a price for its support. I thought only Ed Miliband could have his pocket picked by Alex Salmond? |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jun 10, 2017 14:09:16 GMT
Really? I hadn't heard. Seems about right though. There are far too many problems with this deal for it to last. Once people start turning over a few rocks in the DUP's backyard the wheels will soon come off.
Not to mention the £millions the DUP will extract from the exchequer as the price of their support.
Or the loss of confidence in the Govt. as "honest broker" between the communities in Northern Ireland. That might be the most damaging aspect long term.
Apparently, apart from the 'cash to ash' fuel scandal there are rumours of Saudi money financing their Brexit campaign? But, you're right about Britain losing its role as honest broker in N.I.. Sinn Fein don't want to take part in power sharing which would mean direct role from London with the D.U.P. pulling the strings at Westminster? An expert on Irish affairs on 'Sky' has said the D.U.P will extract extra money from May as a price for its support. I thought only Ed Miliband could have his pocket picked by Alex Salmond? It was a commonplace in the 70's that support from Ulster was notoriously expensive. That was the Official UU's and they were open about it, I doubt these lot come any cheaper. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 10, 2017 14:12:14 GMT
Anyone remember the fuss the Tories on here made at the thought of an SNP Labour deal in 2015.
Nobody, yet nobody, does hypocrisy like a Tory lol
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