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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 11, 2019 8:36:04 GMT
... And for foreign investors to snap up UK property on the cheap. You can't have that one, you're all saying there'll be no investment in the UK due to Brexit 😁 hmmm....perhaps not: www.ft.com/content/6416a20a-9805-11e9-8cfb-30c211dcd229Who would want to invest in a tiny isolated island when you can invest in an EU nation and have access to the biggest and richest marketplace on earth.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 11, 2019 8:36:56 GMT
Has it never been this low before? Do you feel poorer than you were last week? 1987/8 parity with the Dollar Late 70’s/early 80’s $2=£1
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 11, 2019 8:39:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 8:42:41 GMT
Almost sounds like some people are hoping there is a recession.
Strange times !
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 11, 2019 8:44:42 GMT
I don't think the EU are scared at all. In any case we'll see what happens after Oct 31st. I think that they are.... scared of losing political and economic control, scared of the loss of income and scared of encouraging other countries to agitate for freedom. You support the threatened actions of the French fishermen then ? Rubbish. Brexit has been an enormously unifying thing for the EU. They have probably never been so aligned on an issue before. They are not scared. They are realistically pessimistic about no deal. But 27 member states each mitigating loss from a no deal brexit will obviously be hit far less than 1 nation. They also know that Breixt doesn't go away after no deal and we will be in a much more vulnerable and desperate position after no deal. I think we will look to sign whatever Trump asks us to (if it gets through congress and if there is a hard border in Ireland, which there will be, congress won't approve a trade deal). And then we will be back asking the EU to rejoin or for whatever trade deal they will give us. We are the world's joke.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 11, 2019 8:49:05 GMT
Almost sounds like some people are hoping there is a recession. Strange times ! It is quite likely because of leave voters. It is one of the last bits of so called project fear becoming project reality. Sadly leave voters are so up the arses of the so called non-elites like Farage, Johnson, Reece-Mogg and Cummings (some of whom will make even more millions betting against the pound, along with all their elite mates) they are blind to reality. No doubt that leave voters will somehow claim that being on the verge of recession is good for the people and not caused by Brexit or the vote to leave! Self imposed harm to the economy, whether or not it leads to recession, is not a good thing. It hurts the poorest first.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 11, 2019 8:50:24 GMT
I think that they are.... scared of losing political and economic control, scared of the loss of income and scared of encouraging other countries to agitate for freedom. You support the threatened actions of the French fishermen then ? Rubbish. Brexit has been an enormously unifying thing for the EU. They have probably never been so aligned on an issue before. They are not scared. They are realistically pessimistic about no deal. But 27 member states each mitigating loss from a no deal brexit will obviously be hit far less than 1 nation. They also know that Breixt doesn't go away after no deal and we will be in a much more vulnerable and desperate position after no deal. I think we will look to sign whatever Trump asks us to (if it gets through congress and if there is a hard border in Ireland, which there will be, congress won't approve a trade deal). And then we will be back asking the EU to rejoin or for whatever trade deal they will give us. We are the world's joke. We will be a joke, a non entity if it transpires that we voted to leave and actually don't. Subservient to the EU, impotent. Caused by Remainers not being able to accept that they do not always get their own way.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 11, 2019 9:00:47 GMT
Rubbish. Brexit has been an enormously unifying thing for the EU. They have probably never been so aligned on an issue before. They are not scared. They are realistically pessimistic about no deal. But 27 member states each mitigating loss from a no deal brexit will obviously be hit far less than 1 nation. They also know that Breixt doesn't go away after no deal and we will be in a much more vulnerable and desperate position after no deal. I think we will look to sign whatever Trump asks us to (if it gets through congress and if there is a hard border in Ireland, which there will be, congress won't approve a trade deal). And then we will be back asking the EU to rejoin or for whatever trade deal they will give us. We are the world's joke. We will be a joke, a non entity if it transpires that we voted to leave and actually don't. Subservient to the EU, impotent. Caused by Remainers not being able to accept that they do not always get their own way. Boris Johnson himself said we would never countenance a no deal brexit. Literally no senior vote leave people did. Many leave voters may have voted for it (I question whether they knew at that time that they were positively voting for a high risk of recession and a hard border in Ireland) but the vast majority would not have voted for it. Quite simply, Brexit in the referendum was entirely different to what Johnson now has U-turned to seek. Nobody has voted for what we are doing. Therefore we need some democracy by asking the people - do you want a no deal brexit. If there is a minuscule chance the answer is no, that question has to be asked. If you understand what it is to be a member of the EU, you know that we are not subservient to the EU as a member. We were the 5th biggest economy on earth before the vote (possibly 6th now) so certainly not a non-entity. Before the vote, we would be able to stop Iran taking the piss out of us on the world stage and the EU certainly would not have ignored our pleas for help (and actually neither would the US) as both have done. Iran are more powerful and influential than us now. We are far more subservient to all nations and far more of a non-entity now than before the vote. This will get worse if it is no deal. And surely you of all people with all the things you have said about taking back control and democracy are completely opposed to Boris Johnson and his plans of possible proroguing parliament/not standing down if there is a no confidence vote. An unelected leader going completely against the Conservative manifesto who won the largest number of MPs at the last election. Or are you a massive hypocrite?
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 11, 2019 9:05:14 GMT
I think that they are.... scared of losing political and economic control, scared of the loss of income and scared of encouraging other countries to agitate for freedom. You support the threatened actions of the French fishermen then ? Rubbish. Brexit has been an enormously unifying thing for the EU. They have probably never been so aligned on an issue before. They are not scared. They are realistically pessimistic about no deal. But 27 member states each mitigating loss from a no deal brexit will obviously be hit far less than 1 nation. They also know that Breixt doesn't go away after no deal and we will be in a much more vulnerable and desperate position after no deal. I think we will look to sign whatever Trump asks us to (if it gets through congress and if there is a hard border in Ireland, which there will be, congress won't approve a trade deal). And then we will be back asking the EU to rejoin or for whatever trade deal they will give us. We are the world's joke. Interesting to see how Poland, Estonia, Austria,Lithuina etc mitigate the losses from a no deal brexit for germany, france, spain, ireland etc. In fact this strength and unity of the EU27 just goes to show how overstated the looming european banking crisis is with malta and finland there to help. The truth of the matter is that their unity has not even really come close to being tested thanks to all the idiots in the HoC signalling at nearly every opportunity they will try and stop us leaving, just as we start to apply pressure to the EU and Ireland starts to shit it out comes Grieve and all the wankers to help the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 9:05:29 GMT
Almost sounds like some people are hoping there is a recession. Strange times ! It is quite likely because of leave voters. It is one of the last bits of so called project fear becoming project reality. Sadly leave voters are so up the arses of the so called non-elites like Farage, Johnson, Reece-Mogg and Cummings (some of whom will make even more millions betting against the pound, along with all their elite mates) they are blind to reality. No doubt that leave voters will somehow claim that being on the verge of recession is good for the people and not caused by Brexit or the vote to leave! Self imposed harm to the economy, whether or not it leads to recession, is not a good thing. It hurts the poorest first. What a bloody arrogant statement to make - typical remain "superiority" branding leave voters as stupid, or "blind to reality". We're in this bloody mess because of the deceitful, lying shysters (of all parties) in the House of Conmen who've gone out of their way to thwart Brexit and put all their efforts into making Brexit a bigger problem than it normally would have been. To blame Leave voters is arrogant and downright condescending, but totally expected from a remainer.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 11, 2019 9:06:17 GMT
We will be a joke, a non entity if it transpires that we voted to leave and actually don't. Subservient to the EU, impotent. Caused by Remainers not being able to accept that they do not always get their own way. Boris Johnson himself said we would never countenance a no deal brexit. Literally no senior vote leave people did. Many leave voters may have voted for it (I question whether they knew at that time that they were positively voting for a high risk of recession and a hard border in Ireland) but the vast majority would not have voted for it. Quite simply, Brexit in the referendum was entirely different to what Johnson now has U-turned to seek. Nobody has voted for what we are doing. Therefore we need some democracy by asking the people - do you want a no deal brexit. If there is a minuscule chance the answer is no, that question has to be asked. If you understand what it is to be a member of the EU, you know that we are not subservient to the EU as a member. We were the 5th biggest economy on earth before the vote (possibly 6th now) so certainly not a non-entity. Before the vote, we would be able to stop Iran taking the piss out of us on the world stage and the EU certainly would not have ignored our pleas for help (and actually neither would the US) as both have done. Iran are more powerful and influential than us now. We are far more subservient to all nations and far more of a non-entity now than before the vote. This will get worse if it is no deal. And surely you of all people with all the things you have said about taking back control and democracy are completely opposed to Boris Johnson and his plans of possible proroguing parliament/not standing down if there is a no confidence vote. An unelected leader going completely against the Conservative manifesto who won the largest number of MPs at the last election. Or are you a massive hypocrite? Im not going over all this again Oggy, let's just say that you wished that Remain had won but they didn't. Never mind. It is possible not to be in the EU. Hope you and the wife are ok.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 11, 2019 9:11:04 GMT
Rubbish. Brexit has been an enormously unifying thing for the EU. They have probably never been so aligned on an issue before. They are not scared. They are realistically pessimistic about no deal. But 27 member states each mitigating loss from a no deal brexit will obviously be hit far less than 1 nation. They also know that Breixt doesn't go away after no deal and we will be in a much more vulnerable and desperate position after no deal. I think we will look to sign whatever Trump asks us to (if it gets through congress and if there is a hard border in Ireland, which there will be, congress won't approve a trade deal). And then we will be back asking the EU to rejoin or for whatever trade deal they will give us. We are the world's joke. We will be a joke, a non entity if it transpires that we voted to leave and actually don't. Subservient to the EU, impotent. Caused by Remainers not being able to accept that they do not always get their own way. We are a joke, Caused by Brexitiers backing the wrong horse. There it goes now. It’s dismounted it’s jokey, so they hastily put another on it, now it’s dismounted that one so they’ve put a fat jokey on it. Do you think it will win with fatboy on it... I don’t think so...
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Post by foster on Aug 11, 2019 9:11:43 GMT
It is quite likely because of leave voters. It is one of the last bits of so called project fear becoming project reality. Sadly leave voters are so up the arses of the so called non-elites like Farage, Johnson, Reece-Mogg and Cummings (some of whom will make even more millions betting against the pound, along with all their elite mates) they are blind to reality. No doubt that leave voters will somehow claim that being on the verge of recession is good for the people and not caused by Brexit or the vote to leave! Self imposed harm to the economy, whether or not it leads to recession, is not a good thing. It hurts the poorest first. What a bloody arrogant statement to make - typical remain "superiority" branding leave voters as stupid, or "blind to reality". We're in this bloody mess because of the deceitful, lying shysters (of all parties) in the House of Conmen who've gone out of their way to thwart Brexit and put all their efforts into making Brexit a bigger problem than it normally would have been. To blame Leave voters is arrogant and downright condescending, but totally expected from a remainer. ... And yet you just liked a post by BJR where he blamed Remainers for the mess we're in.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 11, 2019 9:11:51 GMT
It is quite likely because of leave voters. It is one of the last bits of so called project fear becoming project reality. Sadly leave voters are so up the arses of the so called non-elites like Farage, Johnson, Reece-Mogg and Cummings (some of whom will make even more millions betting against the pound, along with all their elite mates) they are blind to reality. No doubt that leave voters will somehow claim that being on the verge of recession is good for the people and not caused by Brexit or the vote to leave! Self imposed harm to the economy, whether or not it leads to recession, is not a good thing. It hurts the poorest first. What a bloody arrogant statement to make - typical remain "superiority" branding leave voters as stupid, or "blind to reality". We're in this bloody mess because of the deceitful, lying shysters (of all parties) in the House of Conmen who've gone out of their way to thwart Brexit and put all their efforts into making Brexit a bigger problem than it normally would have been. To blame Leave voters is arrogant and downright condescending, but totally expected from a remainer. I thought the recession started straight after the leave vote according to the same people who tell us in 30 years time based on unknown deal and date of leaving we will not be as well off as we might have have been but yeah I believe people forecasting 30 years into the future who can't even predict what happens 30 days into the future. The problem now is not brexit or no brexit, or hard or soft brexit its the uncertainity of this limbo even the banks are now saying just get on with it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 11, 2019 9:13:31 GMT
We will be a joke, a non entity if it transpires that we voted to leave and actually don't. Subservient to the EU, impotent. Caused by Remainers not being able to accept that they do not always get their own way. We are a joke, Caused by Brexitiers backing the wrong horse. There it goes now. It’s dismounted it’s jokey, so they hastily put another on it, now it’s dismounted that one so they’ve put a fat jokey on it. Do you think it will win with fatboy on it... I don’t think so... Much too clever for me Bathy
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 11, 2019 9:23:46 GMT
1987/8 parity with the Dollar Late 70’s/early 80’s $2=£1 I remember it as I was overseas paid in $ my U.K. Mortgage went up to 15%
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 11, 2019 9:33:25 GMT
We will be a joke, a non entity if it transpires that we voted to leave and actually don't. Subservient to the EU, impotent. Caused by Remainers not being able to accept that they do not always get their own way. Boris Johnson himself said we would never countenance a no deal brexit. Literally no senior vote leave people did. Many leave voters may have voted for it (I question whether they knew at that time that they were positively voting for a high risk of recession and a hard border in Ireland) but the vast majority would not have voted for it. Quite simply, Brexit in the referendum was entirely different to what Johnson now has U-turned to seek. Nobody has voted for what we are doing. Therefore we need some democracy by asking the people - do you want a no deal brexit. If there is a minuscule chance the answer is no, that question has to be asked. If you understand what it is to be a member of the EU, you know that we are not subservient to the EU as a member. We were the 5th biggest economy on earth before the vote (possibly 6th now) so certainly not a non-entity. Before the vote, we would be able to stop Iran taking the piss out of us on the world stage and the EU certainly would not have ignored our pleas for help (and actually neither would the US) as both have done. Iran are more powerful and influential than us now. We are far more subservient to all nations and far more of a non-entity now than before the vote. This will get worse if it is no deal. And surely you of all people with all the things you have said about taking back control and democracy are completely opposed to Boris Johnson and his plans of possible proroguing parliament/not standing down if there is a no confidence vote. An unelected leader going completely against the Conservative manifesto who won the largest number of MPs at the last election. Or are you a massive hypocrite? You are in a muddle over brexit aren't you . On the one hand you say we are an independent sovereign nation within the EU on the other hand that we are going to be diminished and insignificant when we leave , your logic is flawed .
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 11, 2019 9:35:52 GMT
We will be a joke, a non entity if it transpires that we voted to leave and actually don't. Subservient to the EU, impotent. Caused by Remainers not being able to accept that they do not always get their own way. We are a joke, Caused by Brexitiers backing the wrong horse. There it goes now. It’s dismounted it’s jokey, so they hastily put another on it, now it’s dismounted that one so they’ve put a fat jokey on it. Do you think it will win with fatboy on it... I don’t think so... Bit early to be on the sauce bathy 😜
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 11, 2019 9:37:02 GMT
Boris Johnson himself said we would never countenance a no deal brexit. Literally no senior vote leave people did. Many leave voters may have voted for it (I question whether they knew at that time that they were positively voting for a high risk of recession and a hard border in Ireland) but the vast majority would not have voted for it. Quite simply, Brexit in the referendum was entirely different to what Johnson now has U-turned to seek. Nobody has voted for what we are doing. Therefore we need some democracy by asking the people - do you want a no deal brexit. If there is a minuscule chance the answer is no, that question has to be asked. If you understand what it is to be a member of the EU, you know that we are not subservient to the EU as a member. We were the 5th biggest economy on earth before the vote (possibly 6th now) so certainly not a non-entity. Before the vote, we would be able to stop Iran taking the piss out of us on the world stage and the EU certainly would not have ignored our pleas for help (and actually neither would the US) as both have done. Iran are more powerful and influential than us now. We are far more subservient to all nations and far more of a non-entity now than before the vote. This will get worse if it is no deal. And surely you of all people with all the things you have said about taking back control and democracy are completely opposed to Boris Johnson and his plans of possible proroguing parliament/not standing down if there is a no confidence vote. An unelected leader going completely against the Conservative manifesto who won the largest number of MPs at the last election. Or are you a massive hypocrite? You are in a muddle over brexit aren't you . On the one hand you say we are an independent sovereign nation within the EU on the other hand that we are going to be diminished and insignificant when we leave , your logic is flawed . "Independent" and "sovereign" are not the opposite of "diminished" and "insignificant". A country can be all four of those things at the same time.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 11, 2019 9:46:56 GMT
Whoopeee.... We're taking back control as well. It's all going well isn't it.? Has it never been this low before? Do you feel poorer than you were last week? I will next week
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 11, 2019 9:48:21 GMT
You are in a muddle over brexit aren't you . On the one hand you say we are an independent sovereign nation within the EU on the other hand that we are going to be diminished and insignificant when we leave , your logic is flawed . "Independent" and "sovereign" are not the opposite of "diminished" and "insignificant". A country can be all four of those things at the same time. Correct, it depends on the context. Much of it is relative of course. Harry is right.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 11, 2019 9:54:44 GMT
You are in a muddle over brexit aren't you . On the one hand you say we are an independent sovereign nation within the EU on the other hand that we are going to be diminished and insignificant when we leave , your logic is flawed . "Independent" and "sovereign" are not the opposite of "diminished" and "insignificant". A country can be all four of those things at the same time. It's definitely a possibility I agree with you in the short term . I think we will have a short period of pain , long term I'm confident we won't look back
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Post by 4372 on Aug 11, 2019 10:07:10 GMT
Rubbish. Brexit has been an enormously unifying thing for the EU. They have probably never been so aligned on an issue before. They are not scared. They are realistically pessimistic about no deal. But 27 member states each mitigating loss from a no deal brexit will obviously be hit far less than 1 nation. They also know that Breixt doesn't go away after no deal and we will be in a much more vulnerable and desperate position after no deal. I think we will look to sign whatever Trump asks us to (if it gets through congress and if there is a hard border in Ireland, which there will be, congress won't approve a trade deal). And then we will be back asking the EU to rejoin or for whatever trade deal they will give us. We are the world's joke. Interesting to see how Poland, Estonia, Austria,Lithuina etc mitigate the losses from a no deal brexit for germany, france, spain, ireland etc. In fact this strength and unity of the EU27 just goes to show how overstated the looming european banking crisis is with malta and finland there to help. The truth of the matter is that their unity has not even really come close to being tested thanks to all the idiots in the HoC signalling at nearly every opportunity they will try and stop us leaving, just as we start to apply pressure to the EU and Ireland starts to shit it out comes Grieve and all the wankers to help the EU. Is that the HoC that was democratically elected in 2017,and reflected the will of the people at the time?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 10:25:56 GMT
What a bloody arrogant statement to make - typical remain "superiority" branding leave voters as stupid, or "blind to reality". We're in this bloody mess because of the deceitful, lying shysters (of all parties) in the House of Conmen who've gone out of their way to thwart Brexit and put all their efforts into making Brexit a bigger problem than it normally would have been. To blame Leave voters is arrogant and downright condescending, but totally expected from a remainer. ... And yet you just liked a post by BJR where he blamed Remainers for the mess we're in. True, because it's the lying and deceitful Remainer shysters such as Grieve, Letwin, Cooper, Benn, Starmer, Allen, Soubry, etc etc in the House of Conmen who've done everything they possibly can to thwart Brexit. The same shysters who lied and lied about "accepting the result", Leave means Leave", etc etc who were fully intent on stopping Brexit from day one. They were voted in on manifestos which promised to "honour the result" knowing full well they would never support it.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 11, 2019 10:38:19 GMT
Interesting to see how Poland, Estonia, Austria,Lithuina etc mitigate the losses from a no deal brexit for germany, france, spain, ireland etc. In fact this strength and unity of the EU27 just goes to show how overstated the looming european banking crisis is with malta and finland there to help. The truth of the matter is that their unity has not even really come close to being tested thanks to all the idiots in the HoC signalling at nearly every opportunity they will try and stop us leaving, just as we start to apply pressure to the EU and Ireland starts to shit it out comes Grieve and all the wankers to help the EU. Is that the HoC that was democratically elected in 2017,and reflected the will of the people at the time? Both labour and conservatives campaigned they would honor the result of the referendum , HOC voted to leave the EU , it is now the law of the land . It was Gina miller who created the problem with her legal team ,
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 11, 2019 10:38:56 GMT
It is quite likely because of leave voters. It is one of the last bits of so called project fear becoming project reality. Sadly leave voters are so up the arses of the so called non-elites like Farage, Johnson, Reece-Mogg and Cummings (some of whom will make even more millions betting against the pound, along with all their elite mates) they are blind to reality. No doubt that leave voters will somehow claim that being on the verge of recession is good for the people and not caused by Brexit or the vote to leave! Self imposed harm to the economy, whether or not it leads to recession, is not a good thing. It hurts the poorest first. What a bloody arrogant statement to make - typical remain "superiority" branding leave voters as stupid, or "blind to reality". We're in this bloody mess because of the deceitful, lying shysters (of all parties) in the House of Conmen who've gone out of their way to thwart Brexit and put all their efforts into making Brexit a bigger problem than it normally would have been. To blame Leave voters is arrogant and downright condescending, but totally expected from a remainer. To paraphrase a much loved radio talk show host, the con men should be blamed, not the conned.
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Post by sorethumbs on Aug 11, 2019 10:39:15 GMT
Has it never been this low before? Do you feel poorer than you were last week? I will next week Why? Because you're going on hol to a European country? So what are you going to do about it? What have you ever done in the past when going abroad and exchanged GBP? Rates go up and down all the time. I'm in Spain next month and again in December. I would wager that both both occasions will not have the same rate of exchange. It is what it is. Do I feel poorer? Emphatically, no. You all seem to think this has never happened before and that the £ will not recover
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Post by sorethumbs on Aug 11, 2019 10:42:26 GMT
We will be a joke, a non entity if it transpires that we voted to leave and actually don't. Subservient to the EU, impotent. Caused by Remainers not being able to accept that they do not always get their own way. We are a joke, Caused by Brexitiers backing the wrong horse. There it goes now. It’s dismounted it’s jokey, so they hastily put another on it, now it’s dismounted that one so they’ve put a fat jokey on it. Do you think it will win with fatboy on it... I don’t think so... Gobbledegook
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 11, 2019 10:48:39 GMT
Why? Because you're going on hol to a European country? So what are you going to do about it? What have you ever done in the past when going abroad and exchanged GBP? Rates go up and down all the time. I'm in Spain next month and again in December. I would wager that both both occasions will not have the same rate of exchange. It is what it is. Do I feel poorer? Emphatically, no. You all seem to think this has never happened before and that the £ will not recover Lend us 100 euros will you?
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 11, 2019 11:25:26 GMT
We are a joke, Caused by Brexitiers backing the wrong horse. There it goes now. It’s dismounted it’s jokey, so they hastily put another on it, now it’s dismounted that one so they’ve put a fat jokey on it. Do you think it will win with fatboy on it... I don’t think so... Gobbledegook Gobbledygook is my mother tongue 😛
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