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Post by partickpotter on Dec 24, 2019 8:21:41 GMT
I've not seen figures for that, but there are stats for countries' energy consumption. The UK is 11th highest and about that for energy consumption per head. Surprisingly the highest per head is Canada not the USA, which the highest total consumption by far. Of course consumption includes renewable energy as well as fossil fuels. China and the USA are the world leaders in the total amount of renewable energy but are still major coal consumers. UK coal consumption is now down to 5% of our energy usage. The leading countries in terms of % renewable energy are generally small like Costa Rica, the largest of these best performers is I believe Sweden who are racing to be the first country to be totally renewable. Of the large countries Germany (driven by votes for the Green Party) and UK are very good, and Scotland is now capable of producing 100% of its energy by wind, when the wind blows. (When the UK has paid for everything, they will go independant!) Yorkshire and Lincolnshire are gradually being covered by solar panels. On your point about producing abroad, I am reminded of an Environment Agency inspector cautioning a group of councillors some 30 years ago, who had the impression that most pollution was from industry. He told them that most energy is used in heat, light, power, transport, etc. consumed by the general public and that they were unreasonable to expect industry to produce the major part of future reduction. The reduction in industry has been a major contributor to the emissions reduction, but the larger part is down to renewables, including wood chip, recycling, better insulation , etc. It just seems to me MrCoke, that if , let's say China, are producing goods on our behalf and they are transported to us then we have dome responsibility for the Carbon used in that production and transportation. Absolutely. And it is sooooooo easy to do. Just apply a carbon “tax” to imports.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 24, 2019 10:09:14 GMT
It just seems to me MrCoke, that if , let's say China, are producing goods on our behalf and they are transported to us then we have dome responsibility for the Carbon used in that production and transportation. Absolutely. And it is sooooooo easy to do. Just apply a carbon “tax” to imports. That sounds a good idea.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 24, 2019 11:35:52 GMT
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Post by felonious on Dec 24, 2019 13:39:50 GMT
Canada's population is 37.5mm and has one of the largest oil reserves on the planet. Is it because of climate that Canada's energy consumption per head is so high? Everyone knows how cold it can get, but I have been to the middle east and India but the hottest place I remember going to was Toronto! It was so insufferably hot you had to stay inside air conditioned buildings. This was my first thought. I remember arriving there in August at one in the morning and it was around 30 degrees with air conditioning on everywhere. In the winter it's entirely the opposite with heated garages and cars going into underground malls with shops and offices.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Dec 24, 2019 18:18:37 GMT
Is it because of climate that Canada's energy consumption per head is so high? Everyone knows how cold it can get, but I have been to the middle east and India but the hottest place I remember going to was Toronto! It was so insufferably hot you had to stay inside air conditioned buildings. This was my first thought. I remember arriving there in August at one in the morning and it was around 30 degrees with air conditioning on everywhere. In the winter it's entirely the opposite with heated garages and cars going into underground malls with shops and offices. Heating and cooling are a big factor. The oil and gas industry also produces large amounts of GHG’s feeding our friends in the south with cheap oil & gas.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 24, 2019 21:41:38 GMT
Merry Brexmas!!
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Post by starkiller on Dec 29, 2019 3:19:22 GMT
Some ideas that remoaners will refuse to see or acknowledge. They've simply wanted to turn the argument into partisan caricatures for three years.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 31, 2019 10:00:12 GMT
This one's for you, BigJohn
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Post by felonious on Dec 31, 2019 10:47:16 GMT
.... and a Happy New Brexyear.
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Post by felonious on Dec 31, 2019 10:49:04 GMT
Some ideas that remoaners will refuse to see or acknowledge. They've simply wanted to turn the argument into partisan caricatures for three years. Well worth a listen thanks should be a must see for Remainers
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 3, 2020 5:13:50 GMT
Is Corbyn actually going to step down?
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Post by Northy on Jan 3, 2020 9:17:43 GMT
Reading yesterday that there are 390,000 EU citizens in the UK without jobs, getting job seekers allowance, probably housing benefits and child benefits where applicable. I assume that will stop when we leave on the 31st January and only those with jobs will be able to stay here ?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 3, 2020 10:55:18 GMT
Reading yesterday that there are 390,000 EU citizens in the UK without jobs, getting job seekers allowance, probably housing benefits and child benefits where applicable. I assume that will stop when we leave on the 31st January and only those with jobs will be able to stay here ? I thought they all came here to work
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 3, 2020 12:18:47 GMT
Is Corbyn actually going to step down? Mental. Did Labour learn anything from the election result and another fuck you to those who voted leave? They are a bit like our club board... nothing wrong with the process. How long will it take for them to realise that if you keep doing the same thing and it continues to fail, then don't expect anything other than the same result.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2020 12:39:33 GMT
Reading yesterday that there are 390,000 EU citizens in the UK without jobs, getting job seekers allowance, probably housing benefits and child benefits where applicable. I assume that will stop when we leave on the 31st January and only those with jobs will be able to stay here ? I thought they all came here to work This has been going on for years, the myth they all come here to work is exactly that a myth, prepare for the racist cry's from the loony left, time to stop funding these freeloaders
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2020 13:02:18 GMT
Reading yesterday that there are 390,000 EU citizens in the UK without jobs, getting job seekers allowance, probably housing benefits and child benefits where applicable. I assume that will stop when we leave on the 31st January and only those with jobs will be able to stay here ? Should help with the housing crisis, I bet none of them are living on the streets unlike some of are ex armed forces are.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 3, 2020 16:33:45 GMT
How 2019 looked on 1.1.19 to the bookies:
2 right out of 8, but the two that mattered....
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Post by Northy on Jan 3, 2020 16:56:18 GMT
Migration watch latest figures
222,000 work (40%) 167,000 study (30%) 70,000 LTIM, asylum claimants and dependants,/resettled people/common travel area arrivals/ other (13%) 66,000 Family related (12%) 28,000 Other (5%) 550,000 per year gross, no winder there is a housing crisis and London's welfare budget is bigger than the defence budget
The government needs to get a grip of this asap
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 5, 2020 16:19:18 GMT
Interesting.
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Post by felonious on Jan 5, 2020 16:58:21 GMT
You seriously think that the current equivalent of the old Soviet block is failing?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 5, 2020 18:24:56 GMT
You seriously think that the current equivalent of the old Soviet block is failing? Well it isn't going to look as sunny when they have to find nine billion themselves just to stand still
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 5, 2020 18:35:18 GMT
Migration watch latest figures 222,000 work (40%) 167,000 study (30%) 70,000 LTIM, asylum claimants and dependants,/resettled people/common travel area arrivals/ other (13%) 66,000 Family related (12%) 28,000 Other (5%) 550,000 per year gross, no winder there is a housing crisis and London's welfare budget is bigger than the defence budget The government needs to get a grip of this asap Fingers crossed once we pull up the drawbridge after sending all the freeloaders back we can.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 5, 2020 20:46:38 GMT
Reading yesterday that there are 390,000 EU citizens in the UK without jobs, getting job seekers allowance, probably housing benefits and child benefits where applicable. I assume that will stop when we leave on the 31st January and only those with jobs will be able to stay here ? Why do you think that will stop on 31st Jan Northy?
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Post by Northy on Jan 6, 2020 8:51:17 GMT
Reading yesterday that there are 390,000 EU citizens in the UK without jobs, getting job seekers allowance, probably housing benefits and child benefits where applicable. I assume that will stop when we leave on the 31st January and only those with jobs will be able to stay here ? Why do you think that will stop on 31st Jan Northy? As only EU citizens with jobs will be allowed to stay? We shouldn't be a bank account for freeloaders from around the world should we?
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Post by Northy on Jan 6, 2020 8:56:34 GMT
Migration watch latest figures 222,000 work (40%) 167,000 study (30%) 70,000 LTIM, asylum claimants and dependants,/resettled people/common travel area arrivals/ other (13%) 66,000 Family related (12%) 28,000 Other (5%) 550,000 per year gross, no winder there is a housing crisis and London's welfare budget is bigger than the defence budget The government needs to get a grip of this asap Fingers crossed once we pull up the drawbridge after sending all the freeloaders back we can. We only seem to get told of the work figures on the news, 'net migration is down to 250,000 from 350,000' etc. it's all the other numbers that we don't get told. Many people who say on here about once their in they then bring their families get shot down, well the figures are now showing what is happening. 2 * Stoke on trents population a year are coming in, no wonder we have a housing crisis and our kids can't afford to buy a house in their own country.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 10:12:25 GMT
Why do you think that will stop on 31st Jan Northy? As only EU citizens with jobs will be allowed to stay? We shouldn't be a bank account for freeloaders from around the world should we? My birthday will from now on be called my Independence Day 🥳 what a smashing day of the year that is.
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Post by Northy on Jan 6, 2020 11:44:19 GMT
As only EU citizens with jobs will be allowed to stay? We shouldn't be a bank account for freeloaders from around the world should we? My birthday will from now on be called my Independence Day 🥳 what a smashing day of the year that is. Day after me then. Pity I've got to work on the 1st Feb, I can't have a party at 11pm on the 31st
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 11:50:53 GMT
My birthday will from now on be called my Independence Day 🥳 what a smashing day of the year that is. Day after me then. Pity I've got to work on the 1st Feb, I can't have a party at 11pm on the 31st The irony is I'll be getting smashed in Germany 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 12:40:16 GMT
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is an anti-Brexit protest march in London on 31st January.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 12:41:58 GMT
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is an anti-Brexit protest march in London on 31st January. Spray them with liquid soap that'll sort them out.
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