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Post by Trouserdog on May 21, 2017 18:13:59 GMT
He's a canny old fucker, Tony Pulis. In some ways, I sympathise with him for getting his players to down tools once they get over the 40-point mark, as here at Stoke we've been experiencing the after-effects of a smaller club raising its performance level for a year or two.(Something Tone's 2017 performance at West Brom suggests he's desperate to avoid!) Suddenly, punching above your weight becomes the new baseline. After three years of doing just that, we've now had a year when we've gone back to what was our benchmark before silly Mr Hughes came in and got everyone excited by making us all good and stuff. Like it or not, we are in that collection of mid-ranking sides who (barring once-in-a-lifetime sporting miracles) will usually be found hanging around 11th-15th, with a top-half finish sometimes being possible if things go our way. Finishing 8th,9th or 10th should be what we aspire to as a realistic aim- but not what we expect as a minimum.
Outside of Football Manager 17, year-on-year progress is something that's virtually impossible for a club like ours to sustain. If we do find ourselves lucky enough to find players good enough for the top 4, those bigger clubs will soon be along to whisk them away from us, then it's back to square one. Southampton had a couple of years when they looked like they were going to break into that top group, and West Ham had a flirtation with it last year, but now they're both back in the mid-table pack, jostling for positions in the crowded environs of economy class. That's our future in the Premier League: scrambling over the other wannabes to climb a greasy pole. All the while, seven big clubs look down on us and laugh as we get part way up before sinking back into the squirming melee below.
It's a bit frustrating though isn't it, always finishing mid-table? Well, in a way yes, but it's a bit like playing golf when you're not very good at it- if you start getting upset because you're never breaking 80 or 90 or whatever your own personal target is, it becomes, as old Oscar said, a good walk spoilt. But if you enjoy your round on a shot-by-shot basis, beaming when you do catch one perfect off the tee or sink a ridiculous putt, then the slices and the scuffs become more bearable. Always looking at that top 7 like a hungry puppy begging for sausages outside a butcher's window leaves us miserable. It leads to tantrums and unrealistic demands that see us derided (justifiably) by pundits and fans of other teams as ungrateful, spoilt brats. The alternative is that we can just accept where we are in the pecking order, enjoy the wins as they come along and cross our fingers for a decent cup run every year.
Keep us away from relegation, keep us competitive, give us a few days where we can go home smiling. That's my expectations for what Mark Hughes should be delivering. He's come up short in some ways this time, but while we no doubt listen to a summer of wailing and whining from some quarters, the fact is that we finished 13th on 44 points- a mid-sized club finishing in mid-table, separated from other mid-sized, mid-table clubs by the fag paper thinness of single points, goal difference or even goals scored. Par for the course, really.
We're in The Premier League, we get to see our team on Match of the Day, we get talked about on the radio, our players get called up for internationals...even when it's not good, it's still, you know, good. Have a rest now, put this season to bed, and we'll go again in August with a clean slate.
UTP
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 21, 2017 18:18:42 GMT
He's a canny old fucker, Tony Pulis. In some ways, I sympathise with him for getting his players to down tools once they get over the 40-point mark as here at Stoke, we've been experiencing the after-effects of a smaller club raising its performance level for a year or two.(Something Tone's 2017 performance at West Brom suggests he's desperate to avoid!) Suddenly, punching above your weight becomes the new baseline. After three years of doing just that, we've now had a year when we've gone back to what was our benchmark before silly Mr Hughes came in and got everyone excited by making us all good and stuff. Like it or not, we are in that collection of mid-ranking sides who (barring once-in-a-lifetime sporting miracles) will usually be found hanging around 11th-15th, with a top-half finish sometimes being possible if things go our way. Finishing 8th,9th or 10th should be what we aspire to as a realistic aim- but not what we expect as a minimum. Outside of Football Manager 17, year-on-year progress is something that's virtually impossible for a club like ours to sustain. If we do find ourselves lucky enough to find players good enough for the top 4, those bigger clubs will soon be along to whisk them away from us, then it's back to square one. Southampton had a couple of years when they looked like they were going to break into that top group, and West Ham had a flirtation with it last year, but now they're both back in the mid-table pack, jostling for positions in the crowded environs of economy class. That's our future in the Premier League: scrambling over the other wannabes to climb a greasy pole. All the while, seven big clubs look down on us and laugh as we get part way up before sinking back into the squirming melee below. It's a bit frustrating though isn't it, always finishing mid-table? Well, in a way yes, but it's a bit like playing golf when you're not very good at it- if you start getting upset because you're never breaking 80 or 90 or whatever your own personal target is, it becomes, as old Oscar said, a good walk spoilt. But if you enjoy your round on a shot-by-shot basis, beaming when you do catch one perfect off the tee or sink a ridiculous putt, then the slices and the scuffs become more bearable. Always looking at that top 7 like a hungry puppy begging for sausages outside a butcher's window leaves us miserable. It leads to tantrums and unrealistic demands that see us derided (justifiably) by pundits and fans of other teams as ungrateful, spoilt brats. The alternative is that we can just accept where we are in the pecking order, enjoy the wins as they come along and cross our fingers for a decent cup run every year. Keep us away from relegation, keep us competitive, give us a few days where we can go home smiling. That's my expectations for what Mark Hughes should be delivering. He's come up short in some ways this time, but while we no doubt listen to a summer of wailing and whining from some quarters, the fact is that we finished 13th on 44 points- a mid-sized club finishing in mid-table, separated from other mid-sized, mid-table clubs by the fag paper thinness of single points, goal difference or even goals scored. Par for the course, really. We're in The Premier League, we get to see our team on Match of the Day, we get talked about on the radio, our players get called up for internationals...even when it's not good, it's still, you know, good. Have a rest now, put this season to bed, and we'll go again in August with a clean slate. UTP Pulis Hughes Out! |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 18:21:58 GMT
He's a canny old fucker, Tony Pulis. In some ways, I sympathise with him for getting his players to down tools once they get over the 40-point mark as here at Stoke, we've been experiencing the after-effects of a smaller club raising its performance level for a year or two.(Something Tone's 2017 performance at West Brom suggests he's desperate to avoid!) Suddenly, punching above your weight becomes the new baseline. After three years of doing just that, we've now had a year when we've gone back to what was our benchmark before silly Mr Hughes came in and got everyone excited by making us all good and stuff. Like it or not, we are in that collection of mid-ranking sides who (barring once-in-a-lifetime sporting miracles) will usually be found hanging around 11th-15th, with a top-half finish sometimes being possible if things go our way. Finishing 8th,9th or 10th should be what we aspire to as a realistic aim- but not what we expect as a minimum. Outside of Football Manager 17, year-on-year progress is something that's virtually impossible for a club like ours to sustain. If we do find ourselves lucky enough to find players good enough for the top 4, those bigger clubs will soon be along to whisk them away from us, then it's back to square one. Southampton had a couple of years when they looked like they were going to break into that top group, and West Ham had a flirtation with it last year, but now they're both back in the mid-table pack, jostling for positions in the crowded environs of economy class. That's our future in the Premier League: scrambling over the other wannabes to climb a greasy pole. All the while, seven big clubs look down on us and laugh as we get part way up before sinking back into the squirming melee below. It's a bit frustrating though isn't it, always finishing mid-table? Well, in a way yes, but it's a bit like playing golf when you're not very good at it- if you start getting upset because you're never breaking 80 or 90 or whatever your own personal target is, it becomes, as old Oscar said, a good walk spoilt. But if you enjoy your round on a shot-by-shot basis, beaming when you do catch one perfect off the tee or sink a ridiculous putt, then the slices and the scuffs become more bearable. Always looking at that top 7 like a hungry puppy begging for sausages outside a butcher's window leaves us miserable. It leads to tantrums and unrealistic demands that see us derided (justifiably) by pundits and fans of other teams as ungrateful, spoilt brats. The alternative is that we can just accept where we are in the pecking order, enjoy the wins as they come along and cross our fingers for a decent cup run every year. Keep us away from relegation, keep us competitive, give us a few days where we can go home smiling. That's my expectations for what Mark Hughes should be delivering. He's come up short in some ways this time, but while we no doubt listen to a summer of wailing and whining from some quarters, the fact is that we finished 13th on 44 points- a mid-sized club finishing in mid-table, separated from other mid-sized, mid-table clubs by the fag paper thinness of single points, goal difference or even goals scored. Par for the course, really. We're in The Premier League, we get to see our team on Match of the Day, we get talked about on the radio, our players get called up for internationals...even when it's not good, it's still, you know, good. Have a rest now, put this season to bed, and we'll go again in August with a clean slate. UTP Well said. We win away. The game is bearable, our keeper plays a blinder, the sun is shining. Yet oafs are still bellowing, moaning, and can't wait to hammer out a rant on their keyboard. They're queued up, lines written already. Just waiting to pounce. What happened to the joy, the simple pleasure of watching a win. Expectations, frustrations, certainly. But it's hard to be objective when we are exposed to so much negativity and moaning. But we have become wrapped up in a dark, heavy, moaning, cynical, miserable cloud. On to next season after a pre season in Europe. Remain hopeful. Look for the positives. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 18:25:55 GMT
How depressing
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 18:28:16 GMT
Axe, Axe, Axe!
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Post by gibby1409 on May 21, 2017 18:28:31 GMT
Excellent post, and imo, very near the mark.
It's been a frustrating season, because we've been on an upward curve since Cardiff 2002, but this year has seen us stand still.
I still think that if we'd beaten Arsenal , Man City and Liverpool at home, but lost to Palace, Hull and Boro, then many people would have been happier because we'd bloodied a few top six noses. Same points but from different teams, but I'm sure people would have been thinking differently
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Post by RAF on May 21, 2017 18:32:46 GMT
One thing is for sure there are some disappointed twats on here tonight who were hoping for us to get beaten. Very sad. H v |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2017 18:34:04 GMT
He's a canny old fucker, Tony Pulis. In some ways, I sympathise with him for getting his players to down tools once they get over the 40-point mark as here at Stoke, we've been experiencing the after-effects of a smaller club raising its performance level for a year or two.(Something Tone's 2017 performance at West Brom suggests he's desperate to avoid!) Suddenly, punching above your weight becomes the new baseline. After three years of doing just that, we've now had a year when we've gone back to what was our benchmark before silly Mr Hughes came in and got everyone excited by making us all good and stuff. Like it or not, we are in that collection of mid-ranking sides who (barring once-in-a-lifetime sporting miracles) will usually be found hanging around 11th-15th, with a top-half finish sometimes being possible if things go our way. Finishing 8th,9th or 10th should be what we aspire to as a realistic aim- but not what we expect as a minimum. Outside of Football Manager 17, year-on-year progress is something that's virtually impossible for a club like ours to sustain. If we do find ourselves lucky enough to find players good enough for the top 4, those bigger clubs will soon be along to whisk them away from us, then it's back to square one. Southampton had a couple of years when they looked like they were going to break into that top group, and West Ham had a flirtation with it last year, but now they're both back in the mid-table pack, jostling for positions in the crowded environs of economy class. That's our future in the Premier League: scrambling over the other wannabes to climb a greasy pole. All the while, seven big clubs look down on us and laugh as we get part way up before sinking back into the squirming melee below. It's a bit frustrating though isn't it, always finishing mid-table? Well, in a way yes, but it's a bit like playing golf when you're not very good at it- if you start getting upset because you're never breaking 80 or 90 or whatever your own personal target is, it becomes, as old Oscar said, a good walk spoilt. But if you enjoy your round on a shot-by-shot basis, beaming when you do catch one perfect off the tee or sink a ridiculous putt, then the slices and the scuffs become more bearable. Always looking at that top 7 like a hungry puppy begging for sausages outside a butcher's window leaves us miserable. It leads to tantrums and unrealistic demands that see us derided (justifiably) by pundits and fans of other teams as ungrateful, spoilt brats. The alternative is that we can just accept where we are in the pecking order, enjoy the wins as they come along and cross our fingers for a decent cup run every year. Keep us away from relegation, keep us competitive, give us a few days where we can go home smiling. That's my expectations for what Mark Hughes should be delivering. He's come up short in some ways this time, but while we no doubt listen to a summer of wailing and whining from some quarters, the fact is that we finished 13th on 44 points- a mid-sized club finishing in mid-table, separated from other mid-sized, mid-table clubs by the fag paper thinness of single points, goal difference or even goals scored. Par for the course, really. We're in The Premier League, we get to see our team on Match of the Day, we get talked about on the radio, our players get called up for internationals...even when it's not good, it's still, you know, good. Have a rest now, put this season to bed, and we'll go again in August with a clean slate. UTP Well said. We win away. The game is bearable, our keeper plays a blinder, the sun is shining. Yet oafs are still bellowing, moaning, and can't wait to hammer out a rant on their keyboard. They're queued up, lines written already. Just waiting to pounce. What happened to the joy, the simple pleasure of watching a win. Expectations, frustrations, certainly. But it's hard to be objective when we are exposed to so much negativity and moaning. But we have become wrapped up in a dark, heavy, moaning, cynical, miserable cloud. On to next season after a pre season in Europe. Remain hopeful. Look for the positives. Why would one game hide the deficiencies over 18 months? |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 21, 2017 18:35:09 GMT
What is interesting* is that 46 points could have got 8th, which is where we would have finished even if we'd got the points totals from the last three seasons, all teams from 8th down have a negative goal difference. The difference between 8th and 7th, Everton in a blip year, is 15 points then the top 6 are light years ahead starting with the shit on 69! Today's results sort of sum up the huge gulf that developed this season. I blame Leicester! *It is the start of the close season!  |
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Post by byronpotter on May 21, 2017 18:36:12 GMT
I rarely post on here, but read it, often many times a day.
Supported Stoke since 1976. . My first game as a seven year old, so just about forty years.
Bought a season ticket this year for me and my dad for the first time this year because it was getting nigh on impossible to get tickets for the games. I've renewed for next year.
Finally, a well considered post by someone which actually makes sense.
Well Done Trouserdog.
It is a remarkably tough league.
With a few balls dropping differently we'd have been 8th.
UTP indeed
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 18:36:15 GMT
You can fuck it all off for me, it's boring as fuck being a mid table premier league club.
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Post by WhyDelilah on May 21, 2017 18:36:38 GMT
He's a canny old fucker, Tony Pulis. In some ways, I sympathise with him for getting his players to down tools once they get over the 40-point mark as here at Stoke, we've been experiencing the after-effects of a smaller club raising its performance level for a year or two.(Something Tone's 2017 performance at West Brom suggests he's desperate to avoid!) Suddenly, punching above your weight becomes the new baseline. After three years of doing just that, we've now had a year when we've gone back to what was our benchmark before silly Mr Hughes came in and got everyone excited by making us all good and stuff. Like it or not, we are in that collection of mid-ranking sides who (barring once-in-a-lifetime sporting miracles) will usually be found hanging around 11th-15th, with a top-half finish sometimes being possible if things go our way. Finishing 8th,9th or 10th should be what we aspire to as a realistic aim- but not what we expect as a minimum. Outside of Football Manager 17, year-on-year progress is something that's virtually impossible for a club like ours to sustain. If we do find ourselves lucky enough to find players good enough for the top 4, those bigger clubs will soon be along to whisk them away from us, then it's back to square one. Southampton had a couple of years when they looked like they were going to break into that top group, and West Ham had a flirtation with it last year, but now they're both back in the mid-table pack, jostling for positions in the crowded environs of economy class. That's our future in the Premier League: scrambling over the other wannabes to climb a greasy pole. All the while, seven big clubs look down on us and laugh as we get part way up before sinking back into the squirming melee below. It's a bit frustrating though isn't it, always finishing mid-table? Well, in a way yes, but it's a bit like playing golf when you're not very good at it- if you start getting upset because you're never breaking 80 or 90 or whatever your own personal target is, it becomes, as old Oscar said, a good walk spoilt. But if you enjoy your round on a shot-by-shot basis, beaming when you do catch one perfect off the tee or sink a ridiculous putt, then the slices and the scuffs become more bearable. Always looking at that top 7 like a hungry puppy begging for sausages outside a butcher's window leaves us miserable. It leads to tantrums and unrealistic demands that see us derided (justifiably) by pundits and fans of other teams as ungrateful, spoilt brats. The alternative is that we can just accept where we are in the pecking order, enjoy the wins as they come along and cross our fingers for a decent cup run every year. Keep us away from relegation, keep us competitive, give us a few days where we can go home smiling. That's my expectations for what Mark Hughes should be delivering. He's come up short in some ways this time, but while we no doubt listen to a summer of wailing and whining from some quarters, the fact is that we finished 13th on 44 points- a mid-sized club finishing in mid-table, separated from other mid-sized, mid-table clubs by the fag paper thinness of single points, goal difference or even goals scored. Par for the course, really. We're in The Premier League, we get to see our team on Match of the Day, we get talked about on the radio, our players get called up for internationals...even when it's not good, it's still, you know, good. Have a rest now, put this season to bed, and we'll go again in August with a clean slate. UTP Have you ever considered a career in politics? 😁 However you spin it, this has been a poor season. Entertainment wise, it's been absolutely miserable. From a signings point of view, it's been a complete disaster. Our two genuine opportunities to actually do something of note and give the fans something to cheer about both ended in poor exits at home against poor opposition. Today was the first time in TWENTY FOUR attempts to beat any half decent team. I get what you're saying. We can't keep improving every season. I also accept that Hughes has raised the bar and in turn, expectations have gone up. Even accepting those facts, this season has still been bitterly disappointing all round. Performances haven't been good enough. The changes to the squad have on the whole been poor, which has left us with a lot of work to do over the summer. It's nice to end on a win, with a clean sheet to boot. It's given the travelling supporters a great day out and we can all enjoy match of the day much more than we have of late. Let's not get carried away though and allow it to paper over the cracks. |
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Post by ohbottom on May 21, 2017 18:38:12 GMT
Hughlis out!
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Post by heworksardtho on May 21, 2017 18:38:16 GMT
Great job done done by Mark and his staff , enjoy your summer you've earned it
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 21, 2017 18:38:44 GMT
It really isn't a question of expectation. It's that we have been on a steady decline for 18 months that's entirely of our own - or at least the management team's - making.
Today's (excellent) result doesn't change that.
The laundry list of issues, if they're not addressed, will have us in serious trouble in the not too distant future.
And since they haven't been addressed for a long time, and there's been very little sign they will be (yet another formation change today, several awful transfer windows, leaning on the old guard etc), it basically requires pure blind faith to have a lot of optimism at the moment.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 21, 2017 18:48:03 GMT
The thing is Trousers, as I'm sure you are aware, the issue is whether Hughes can keep us in that group next season.
There are serious questions to be answered. His signings have been shit. His tactics and selection mire often than not have been shit. We've beaten top half teams only TWICE since january 2016.
All I ask is that we are competitive, but when you know you are going to lose almost every time you play a top half team then that isn't good enough.
It has also been awful to watch, shit negative football. Dire as fuck.
He's obviously staying but he will be in deep shit if we start slowly once again.
Hopefully we will actually do some training this summer and be ready when the season starts
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2017 18:59:11 GMT
Virtually every fanbase seems to be in open revolt this summer though, not just us.
Chelsea and Spurs will be pleased and Swansea fans are going into the summer on a high. Bournemouth fans will be buzzing seeing them finish 9th, Leicester will possibly be mildly content about how they turned things around and Everton are probably happy(ish).
Literally every other group of fans appear to be seething and foaming at the mouth.
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Post by chad on May 21, 2017 19:10:22 GMT
He's a canny old fucker, Tony Pulis. In some ways, I sympathise with him for getting his players to down tools once they get over the 40-point mark as here at Stoke, we've been experiencing the after-effects of a smaller club raising its performance level for a year or two.(Something Tone's 2017 performance at West Brom suggests he's desperate to avoid!) Suddenly, punching above your weight becomes the new baseline. After three years of doing just that, we've now had a year when we've gone back to what was our benchmark before silly Mr Hughes came in and got everyone excited by making us all good and stuff. Like it or not, we are in that collection of mid-ranking sides who (barring once-in-a-lifetime sporting miracles) will usually be found hanging around 11th-15th, with a top-half finish sometimes being possible if things go our way. Finishing 8th,9th or 10th should be what we aspire to as a realistic aim- but not what we expect as a minimum. Outside of Football Manager 17, year-on-year progress is something that's virtually impossible for a club like ours to sustain. If we do find ourselves lucky enough to find players good enough for the top 4, those bigger clubs will soon be along to whisk them away from us, then it's back to square one. Southampton had a couple of years when they looked like they were going to break into that top group, and West Ham had a flirtation with it last year, but now they're both back in the mid-table pack, jostling for positions in the crowded environs of economy class. That's our future in the Premier League: scrambling over the other wannabes to climb a greasy pole. All the while, seven big clubs look down on us and laugh as we get part way up before sinking back into the squirming melee below. It's a bit frustrating though isn't it, always finishing mid-table? Well, in a way yes, but it's a bit like playing golf when you're not very good at it- if you start getting upset because you're never breaking 80 or 90 or whatever your own personal target is, it becomes, as old Oscar said, a good walk spoilt. But if you enjoy your round on a shot-by-shot basis, beaming when you do catch one perfect off the tee or sink a ridiculous putt, then the slices and the scuffs become more bearable. Always looking at that top 7 like a hungry puppy begging for sausages outside a butcher's window leaves us miserable. It leads to tantrums and unrealistic demands that see us derided (justifiably) by pundits and fans of other teams as ungrateful, spoilt brats. The alternative is that we can just accept where we are in the pecking order, enjoy the wins as they come along and cross our fingers for a decent cup run every year. Keep us away from relegation, keep us competitive, give us a few days where we can go home smiling. That's my expectations for what Mark Hughes should be delivering. He's come up short in some ways this time, but while we no doubt listen to a summer of wailing and whining from some quarters, the fact is that we finished 13th on 44 points- a mid-sized club finishing in mid-table, separated from other mid-sized, mid-table clubs by the fag paper thinness of single points, goal difference or even goals scored. Par for the course, really. We're in The Premier League, we get to see our team on Match of the Day, we get talked about on the radio, our players get called up for internationals...even when it's not good, it's still, you know, good. Have a rest now, put this season to bed, and we'll go again in August with a clean slate. UTP What !!!!!! You can't come on here using logical argument and common sense Admittedly I have been disappointed this season but let's be honest it isn't an absolute disaster. We didn't really flirt with relegation and we were only a smudgin off top half. Like you said it's impossible to improve every year. We've had more or less 12 years of growth there was always going to be a set back sometime. Probably the hardest part of the season to take this time was the depressingly early exit out of the cups to crap teams Anyway it's done now. Short break and we go again It's been 55 years now so onto 56 COYMP |
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 21, 2017 19:12:01 GMT
Southampton fans are more pissed off than us and they finished 8th ffs.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 21, 2017 19:13:02 GMT
Yeah let's go again in August with a clean slate, give it another go yeahhhhhh- Nah fuck off Mark.
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Post by oslostokie1 on May 21, 2017 19:15:47 GMT
The most sensible post I have read on here all season. Well done.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 21, 2017 19:18:16 GMT
A midish table club is what we are,that's OK so long has we flirt with the top 6 now and then,and win a cup now and again too.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 21, 2017 19:23:16 GMT
The position and points tally is fine
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Post by salopstick on May 21, 2017 19:29:14 GMT
Paul Merson said in soccer saturday (but on Sunday today) that if Hughes sorted out the start of the season he saw us as a regular 8th like an Everton.
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Post by adamsson on May 21, 2017 19:36:25 GMT
We are where Aston Villa were two or three years ago a stable safe secure premiership club on a downward trend.
We can act now or later.
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Post by superheroantonius on May 21, 2017 19:37:38 GMT
Mid 40s points wise is acceptable :-)
But who secured us the points?
Was it hughes big money signings gianelli iamlazy and breahi no or was it other players?
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Post by Davef on May 21, 2017 19:45:36 GMT
We are where Aston Villa were two or three years ago a stable safe secure premiership club on a downward trend. We can act now or later. We really aren't. Aston Villa failed to win 40 points in four of the five seasons before they actually went down. We've never failed to better 40 points in nine Premier League seasons and have won 50+ points in three of our last four. We undoubtedly need to improve but we are nowhere near the slide Villa found themselves on. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 21, 2017 19:55:58 GMT
Villa wasted a lot more money , that's what cost them .
We are in a big group of mediocre teams in this league full of overpaid players but are better run than most.
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Post by Pugsley on May 21, 2017 20:32:59 GMT
We are where Aston Villa were two or three years ago a stable safe secure premiership club on a downward trend. We can act now or later. Arse gravy. |
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Post by adamsson on May 21, 2017 21:28:59 GMT
We are where Aston Villa were two or three years ago a stable safe secure premiership club on a downward trend. We can act now or later. We really aren't. Aston Villa failed to win 40 points in four of the five seasons before they actually went down. We've never failed to better 40 points in nine Premier League seasons and have won 50+ points in three of our last four. We undoubtedly need to improve but we are nowhere near the slide Villa found themselves on. Yet. We aren't as bed yet. We have time to change things around. At least one season. |
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