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Post by toppercorner on May 21, 2017 17:37:06 GMT
i know this isn't stoke related, however i wanted to see what people thought
It is alleged, David Moyes and Sunderland agreed to put the ball out of play on the 26th minute, just so Terry can have an elaborate substitution (Chelsea also agreed to this)
now, have i got this wrong, but if you can influence an aspect of the match to this degree, and something you can bet on online, isn't this match/spot fixing?
surely, if it is, then it will have major implications for those involved?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2017 17:39:08 GMT
The Chelsea team should have been booked for time wasting.
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Post by toppercorner on May 21, 2017 17:44:11 GMT
The Chelsea team should have been booked for time wasting. possibly that too all a little bit sickly in my own opinion but it is going to be interesting if anyone submits an official complaint about it |
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Post by stokiejoe on May 21, 2017 17:45:02 GMT
Happy enough with it, been a great servant to them over many years, last game of the season and meaningless so ok.
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Post by charlesjefferson on May 21, 2017 17:45:31 GMT
I didn't get where I am today without recognising that's just embarassing, that's just embarassing, that's just embarassing, that's just embarassing.
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Post by toppercorner on May 21, 2017 17:48:54 GMT
Happy enough with it, been a great servant to them over many years, last game of the season and meaningless so ok. ok, hypothetically say you had placed a bet for chelsea to score in the 26th minute, but unknown to you, the 2 teams playing, had prior to kick off, already arranged to not score in that minute and give a throw in (again which you can bet on) you've lost your bet, and someone else could have benefitted through prior knowledge of this how is this action not influencing the game? the result and why is irrelevant to me, but knowing something had been agreed prior does worry me |
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Post by 1863scfc1863 on May 21, 2017 17:49:40 GMT
If it had been Stoke doing this for Shawcross after being such a great servant all Stoke fans would be delighted.
There was nothing on the match so what is the issue.
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Post by flea79 on May 21, 2017 17:49:57 GMT
Arrogant and conceited of the man
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Post by ohbottom on May 21, 2017 17:50:48 GMT
He's been there over 20 years, played nearly 500 games for them at the very highest level. Nothing was at stake and everyone agreed it up front. What's the issue?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 21, 2017 17:50:51 GMT
i know this isn't stoke related, however i wanted to see what people thought It is alleged, David Moyes and Sunderland agreed to put the ball out of play on the 26th minute, just so Terry can have an elaborate substitution (Chelsea also agreed to this) now, have i got this wrong, but if you can influence an aspect of the match to this degree, and something you can bet on online, isn't this match/spot fixing? surely, if it is, then it will have major implications for those involved? Good shout, it is spot fixing |
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Post by stokiejoe on May 21, 2017 17:52:42 GMT
Happy enough with it, been a great servant to them over many years, last game of the season and meaningless so ok. ok, hypothetically say you had placed a bet for chelsea to score in the 26th minute, but unknown to you, the 2 teams playing, had prior to kick off, already arranged to not score in that minute and give a throw in (again which you can bet on) you've lost your bet, and someone else could have benefitted through prior knowledge of this how is this action not influencing the game? the result and why is irrelevant to me, but knowing something had been agreed prior does worry me My bet would have been London club doing something tacky, but as it is a guaranteed win week in week out, doubt anyone would take the bet |
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Post by muglump on May 21, 2017 17:53:13 GMT
Sick making. Man's a thug who nicks his mates wives. He should have been bottled off
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Post by StatesideStokie on May 21, 2017 17:54:08 GMT
If it had been Stoke doing this for Shawcross after being such a great servant all Stoke fans would be delighted. There was nothing on the match so what is the issue. And the result would probably have been a 20 point deduction for the club, a red card for Shawcross and a season long ban for whoever kicked the ball out. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 21, 2017 17:57:12 GMT
Yeah but what was all that making Crouch stand on the byline for the corner all about?
If we're discussing match fixing.
A travesty.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 17:58:49 GMT
Epitomizes the modern footballer and modern game for me.
An absolute joke to stop a game of football in mid flow for this kind of bollocks.
John Terry has been an absolute Chelsea legend and deserves all the plaudits the fans of that club could possibly give, but do it after the final whistle.
Modern footballers are a right bunch of absolute fannies and to see all the Chelsea players with their mobile phones out for the post match celebrations made me want to smash my TV in, one of the sad fuckers even had a selfie stick for fuck sake!
All this players wives and kids on the pitch bollocks really fucks me off as well!
Oh and did I mention that I fucking hate Chelsea!
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Post by toppercorner on May 21, 2017 17:58:49 GMT
He's been there over 20 years, played nearly 500 games for them at the very highest level. Nothing was at stake and everyone agreed it up front. What's the issue? its not the elaborate sub, its the fact 2 teams conspired to do something pre-match (which can be bet on) |
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Post by henry on May 21, 2017 18:05:50 GMT
If it had been Stoke doing this for Shawcross after being such a great servant all Stoke fans would be delighted. There was nothing on the match so what is the issue. Back-slapping by multi-millionaire's caught up in their own bubble. I'm really beginning to hate the premier league. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 21, 2017 18:06:45 GMT
Pointless in my eyes, just play him the whole game.
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Post by mrred on May 21, 2017 18:09:21 GMT
Exactly what I'd expect from Chelsea and Terry. And probably modern day football whilst we're at it.
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Post by toppercorner on May 21, 2017 18:10:59 GMT
ok, hypothetically say you had placed a bet for chelsea to score in the 26th minute, but unknown to you, the 2 teams playing, had prior to kick off, already arranged to not score in that minute and give a throw in (again which you can bet on) you've lost your bet, and someone else could have benefitted through prior knowledge of this how is this action not influencing the game? the result and why is irrelevant to me, but knowing something had been agreed prior does worry me My bet would have been London club doing something tacky, but as it is a guaranteed win week in week out, doubt anyone would take the bet but you do understand in the world of online gambling, you can bet on almost anything? under/over on corners and throw ins, handicaps, what precise minute some thing happens etc its not just win/lose/draw now if the teams have decided what is happening in a precise minute of the game, it is potentially defrauding gamblers and illegally influencing the game, and others with inside knowledge of this happening (22 on the pitch, others on the bench) then bets can be made to gain from this insider knowledge? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 18:15:41 GMT
Chelsea guaranteed to be Champions and Sunderland relegated, so no issues for me.
If a bookmaker comes out and says they have paid out on a bet, then that is a fair shout re spot fixing.
Given no odds were offered before the match by any main stream bookies, then I suspect it was well concealed and just a well intended send off for some one well regarded by Chelsea (and John Terry!!).
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Post by jzime on May 21, 2017 18:19:35 GMT
It's a pretty stupid thing to do. There might not have been anything to play for mathematically, but I doubt that the Sunderland fans see it that way.
Treating a competitive Premier League match like a glorified testimonial is stupid. Even more stupid when it's potentially match-fixing.
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Post by burge2u on May 21, 2017 18:21:40 GMT
Happy enough with it, been a great servant to them over many years, last game of the season and meaningless so ok. Sorry Joe, but as much as I agree with your sentiment here, it really makes me cringe when I hear Premier League footballers referred to as "servants". |
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Post by toppercorner on May 21, 2017 18:23:13 GMT
Chelsea guaranteed to be Champions and Sunderland relegated, so no issues for me. If a bookmaker comes out and says they have paid out on a bet, then that is a fair shout re spot fixing. Given no odds were offered before the match by any main stream bookies, then I suspect it was well concealed and just a well intended send off for some one well regarded by Chelsea (and John Terry!!). i get the point about it being a nothing match for all involved, i really do and possibly corners/throws etc weren't offered by the bookies.. ... however, i'm willing to bet that it being the champions against the worst team in the league, someone would've have fancied their chances on chelsea scoring in this minute? or even the lead up minutes, or minutes just after, when it would have been a knock around for a few moments? no? my point is that the 2 teams have conspired in a (nothing) match to do something at an exact point, therefore influencing the game to a certain degree |
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Post by Fenparkpotter on May 21, 2017 18:26:50 GMT
It was probably his idea, the egotistical c***
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Post by chamberlain on May 21, 2017 18:31:00 GMT
Epitomizes the modern footballer and modern game for me. An absolute joke to stop a game of football in mid flow for this kind of bollocks. John Terry has been an absolute Chelsea legend and deserves all the plaudits the fans of that club could possibly give, but do it after the final whistle. Modern footballers are a right bunch of absolute fannies and to see all the Chelsea players with their mobile phones out for the post match celebrations made me want to smash my TV in, one of the sad fuckers even had a selfie stick for fuck sake! All this players wives and kids on the pitch bollocks really fucks me off as well! Oh and did I mention that I fucking hate Chelsea! Bang on with that rr , what a load of sentimental claptrap |
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Post by heworksardtho on May 21, 2017 18:34:14 GMT
They formed a guard of honour as well when he left the pitch it's ok in a testimonial but a league fixture it makes it like a circus
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Post by ohbottom on May 21, 2017 18:35:06 GMT
My bet would have been London club doing something tacky, but as it is a guaranteed win week in week out, doubt anyone would take the bet but you do understand in the world of online gambling, you can bet on almost anything? under/over on corners and throw ins, handicaps, what precise minute some thing happens etc its not just win/lose/draw now if the teams have decided what is happening in a precise minute of the game, it is potentially defrauding gamblers and illegally influencing the game, and others with inside knowledge of this happening (22 on the pitch, others on the bench) then bets can be made to gain from this insider knowledge? Jesus wept, talk about stretching a point! Do you seriously think anyone who knew about this would have actually BET on it?  |
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Post by heworksardtho on May 21, 2017 18:35:47 GMT
He's been there over 20 years, played nearly 500 games for them at the very highest level. Nothing was at stake and everyone agreed it up front. What's the issue? its not the elaborate sub, its the fact 2 teams conspired to do something pre-match (which can be bet on) 717 games he's still a twat |
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Post by toppercorner on May 21, 2017 18:40:31 GMT
but you do understand in the world of online gambling, you can bet on almost anything? under/over on corners and throw ins, handicaps, what precise minute some thing happens etc its not just win/lose/draw now if the teams have decided what is happening in a precise minute of the game, it is potentially defrauding gamblers and illegally influencing the game, and others with inside knowledge of this happening (22 on the pitch, others on the bench) then bets can be made to gain from this insider knowledge? Jesus wept, talk about stretching a point! Do you seriously think anyone who knew about this would have actually BET on it? i think they would, not uncommon is it? so, if i'd bet £200 on Hazard to score in the 26th minute at whatever odds, (i didn't btw), i wouldn't have the right to feel aggrieved? i would have lost money because the teams competing, agreed to do something else during a competitive league match? |
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