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Post by Lesalanos on May 22, 2017 9:04:19 GMT
So if Butland had not got injured on the eve of the new season you think we would have finished higher then? Rooney's goal, but land could have saved? The mix up v West Brom? Eh if that hadn't have happened we'd be two points higher than West Brom in 9th. Just to put a bit of perspective on this. "It's been obviously a disappointing season overall, we've been chasing our tails right from the off. " That quote was from glen whelan And? A player is disappointed that the season ended up not being great, neither meeting his, Hughes, or our own aspirations. Had our number one goalie been fit all season, then we probably would have gained a couple of points.
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Post by adamsson on May 22, 2017 9:11:27 GMT
Get behind him, then give him a good hard push out the door. Yes then get silva in Would prefer David Wagner myself but I have the feeling he get Huddersfield to the Premier League and then try to do the impossible and keep them there.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 9:54:46 GMT
"It's been obviously a disappointing season overall, we've been chasing our tails right from the off. " That quote was from glen whelan And? A player is disappointed that the season ended up not being great, neither meeting his, Hughes, or our own aspirations. Had our number one goalie been fit all season, then we probably would have gained a couple of points. Mate, I can see what you are saying but, don't you think that the whole season was....well....a bit crap?.....even the wins against the lower teams were a bit unconvincing. Not only this season...Our attitude to conceding a goal is frightening The continuation of letting in 4 goals over the last two seasons is no coincidence All the tinkering about for the whole season doesn't help confidence. To add, you have these god awful pre-seasons which give neither player nor supporter optimism Players leaving complaining about lack of defensive practice I could go on and on and I'm sure you could find excuses the same, so I'll back out I do admire your loyalty tho
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 22, 2017 10:51:20 GMT
Post match reaction yesterday
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Post by mrcoke on May 22, 2017 11:15:12 GMT
I think there is merit in the suggestion above that had Butland been in the team at the start of the season, the whole season could have been a lot better. Grant didn't play till the 6th match against West Brom.
We would have got off to a better start, the team would have had more confidence, we might of avoided the debacle of changing to zonal marking and the fiasco at Palace, and taken, instead of given, points from WBA and Bournemouth. Consequently we would have been a very comfortable 8th, and achieved our best position in the top flight for 43 years.
We didn't and endured a disappointing season, but the margins between success and failure are very small. We can overcome that narrow margin and have our best season in the Prem. but we have to be a whole lot better as I expect the competition will be even tougher next season. 2 good FBs and we could be a whole lot better.
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Post by Davef on May 22, 2017 11:45:36 GMT
I think there is merit in the suggestion above that had Butland been in the team at the start of the season, the whole season could have been a lot better. Grant didn't play till the 6th match against West Brom. We would have got off to a better start, the team would have had more confidence, we might of avoided the debacle of changing to zonal marking and the fiasco at Palace, and taken, instead of given, points from WBA and Bournemouth. Consequently we would have been a very comfortable 8th, and achieved our best position in the top flight for 43 years. We didn't and endured a disappointing season, but the margins between success and failure are very small. We can overcome that narrow margin and have our best season in the Prem. but we have to be a whole lot better as I expect the competition will be even tougher next season. 2 good FBs and we could be a whole lot better. But having seen how Haugaard and Given performed at the end of last season, it really was an act of negligence not to bring in much better goalkeeping cover, even assuming that Butland would have been fit enough to start the season. We may have made a better start with Grant from the off, or at least not gone for as many four goal drubbings. Considering we've finished below Leicester on goals scored because our goal differences were the same, that alone could have earned us at least another £7M.
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Post by Pugsley on May 22, 2017 11:48:28 GMT
What the hell for? Hull got comfortably relegated. There were no heroics there at all. Silva did well to even make a fight of it. He took more points than Phelan in fewer games, despite having his best two players sold in January and being stuck with a threadbare, Championship squad. He brought in a shed load of his own players and finished 6 points from safety, ending in a 7 (seven) goal dicking at home. He's a decent manager but no messiah.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 22, 2017 12:05:27 GMT
Silva did well to even make a fight of it. He took more points than Phelan in fewer games, despite having his best two players sold in January and being stuck with a threadbare, Championship squad. He brought in a shed load of his own players and finished 6 points from safety, ending in a 7 (seven) goal dicking at home. He's a decent manager but no messiah. He's no messiah, no, but his role in making them competitive shouldn't be downplayed. By rights they should've been down weeks ago with that squad.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on May 22, 2017 12:14:13 GMT
He needs to decide on his formation and stick with it !!!!!!
are we 4-3-3, 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2
All have worked in patches and all have failed, is this due to the players ? Manager ?
Also need to get some big earners off the wage bill (Adam, Imbula, Diouf, Joselu, Wollscheid) and bring in some younger hungry talent who may well use us as a stepping stone but at least we would get 1/2 good seasons and a profit.
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Post by Lesalanos on May 22, 2017 13:03:55 GMT
And? A player is disappointed that the season ended up not being great, neither meeting his, Hughes, or our own aspirations. Had our number one goalie been fit all season, then we probably would have gained a couple of points. Mate, I can see what you are saying but, don't you think that the whole season was....well....a bit crap?.....even the wins against the lower teams were a bit unconvincing. Not only this season...Our attitude to conceding a goal is frightening The continuation of letting in 4 goals over the last two seasons is no coincidence All the tinkering about for the whole season doesn't help confidence. To add, you have these god awful pre-seasons which give neither player nor supporter optimism Players leaving complaining about lack of defensive practice I could go on and on and I'm sure you could find excuses the same, so I'll back out I do admire your loyalty tho I do think it was a bit crap yes I could also offer the alternative view to most of your points, and do feel that Hughes is the safer option. I'm not sure if that's loyalty or more pragmatism. I'm out as well
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Post by chonburipotter on May 22, 2017 16:02:52 GMT
Mate, I can see what you are saying but, don't you think that the whole season was....well....a bit crap?.....even the wins against the lower teams were a bit unconvincing. Not only this season...Our attitude to conceding a goal is frightening The continuation of letting in 4 goals over the last two seasons is no coincidence All the tinkering about for the whole season doesn't help confidence. To add, you have these god awful pre-seasons which give neither player nor supporter optimism Players leaving complaining about lack of defensive practice I could go on and on and I'm sure you could find excuses the same, so I'll back out I do admire your loyalty tho I do think it was a bit crap yes I could also offer the alternative view to most of your points, and do feel that Hughes is the safer option. I'm not sure if that's loyalty or more pragmatism. I'm out as well Of course you can and regularly do, even though your views take no account of how bad things have been since January 16 and therefore are nonsensical Hughes is a safer option than what exactly, a good manager? The one thing you are correct about is that you are definitely out....of your head
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 16:32:44 GMT
Today was far better and has probably covered up the cracks of a dire season in Coates eyes Make no mistake this has been as bad as Pulis last year But it's clear he is staying, we all need to come together and back him I'm one of his biggest critics but if he succeeds, Stoke succeed I just pray he realises how much work this squad needs Sign up Bruno, get two new Full backs, a holding mid and we are getting somewhere Oh and please bring Bojan back Bang on and exactly my thoughts this morning. I haven't truly looked forward to games, there's been no energy, no desire. I'm 100% Hughes Out, I don't think or believe he is the right man to take us forward, what we've seen this season has been diabolical. His ability to attract and bring in quality players is fantastic, yet his ability to use them correctly is worrying. If he was sacked within the next few weeks, brilliant, but I can no longer see it happening. I can't go into next season wanting the manager out, if he is definitely staying, I have to back him and come the new season hope he proves me wrong. I hold a slim hope that maybe within this week something could happen, if not, the boys and the manager need the support come August. As you've said, 2 full backs, 1 CDM (I still like Imbula) and the return of Bojan and it's a start at least. 82 days...
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Post by Lesalanos on May 22, 2017 18:19:13 GMT
I do think it was a bit crap yes I could also offer the alternative view to most of your points, and do feel that Hughes is the safer option. I'm not sure if that's loyalty or more pragmatism. I'm out as well Of course you can and regularly do, even though your views take no account of how bad things have been since January 16 and therefore are nonsensical Hughes is a safer option than what exactly, a good manager? The one thing you are correct about is that you are definitely out....of your head I never said I was out of my head, but that I was getting out of an amicable debate with another sensible poster, who has differing views. Meanwhile you seem only to be able to post bile about Hughes and offer no sensible alternative or perspective. In the last 16 months we have finished 9th and 13th. Our most recent finish saw us 2 points off 8th. This is a fact, most of what you post is conjecture. As for better appointees who are available and realistic, give us some names. I guess though anyone who doesn't support your view is out of their head?
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Post by superheroantonius on May 22, 2017 18:30:47 GMT
Of course you can and regularly do, even though your views take no account of how bad things have been since January 16 and therefore are nonsensical Hughes is a safer option than what exactly, a good manager? The one thing you are correct about is that you are definitely out....of your head I never said I was out of my head, but that I was getting out of an amicable debate with another sensible poster, who has differing views. Meanwhile you seem only to be able to post bile about Hughes and offer no sensible alternative or perspective. In the last 16 months we have finished 9th and 13th. Our most recent finish saw us 2 points off 8th. This is a fact, most of what you post is conjecture. As for better appointees who are available and realistic, give us some names. I guess though anyone who doesn't support your view is out of their head? Everybody on the board knows how many points we got and what position we finished. The Debate is who got us the points? Was it hughes big money signings imbula and berahino or was it other players? If we give hughes say 15 million quid or 18 million quid to sign a player, will he get someone in to boost our points tally? Or will he waste it? etc etc
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Post by Lesalanos on May 22, 2017 18:45:49 GMT
I never said I was out of my head, but that I was getting out of an amicable debate with another sensible poster, who has differing views. Meanwhile you seem only to be able to post bile about Hughes and offer no sensible alternative or perspective. In the last 16 months we have finished 9th and 13th. Our most recent finish saw us 2 points off 8th. This is a fact, most of what you post is conjecture. As for better appointees who are available and realistic, give us some names. I guess though anyone who doesn't support your view is out of their head? Everybody on the board knows how many points we got and what position we finished. The Debate is who got us the points? Was it hughes big money signings imbula and berahino or was it other players? If we give hughes say 15 million quid or 18 million quid to sign a player, will he get someone in to boost our points tally? Or will he waste it? etc etc My post was aimed at chonburi,a man whose posts are 90% Hughes out, who watches on TV probably rarely goes and gets the mood from on here. I go home and away, I'm peed of we didn't build on last season, I'm frustrated with some of his signings, and if someone could offer a sensible alternative I'd happily take them. That said there's also context,and reality. Something most on here haven't got. Anyone who thinks that he should be given a chance afterour best run of finishes in the top flight is clueless. Edit: your posts are often balanced and offer suggestions that aren't just bollacks
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Post by chonburipotter on May 23, 2017 1:20:33 GMT
Everybody on the board knows how many points we got and what position we finished. The Debate is who got us the points? Was it hughes big money signings imbula and berahino or was it other players? If we give hughes say 15 million quid or 18 million quid to sign a player, will he get someone in to boost our points tally? Or will he waste it? etc etc My post was aimed at chonburi,a man whose posts are 90% Hughes out, who watches on TV never goes and gets the mood from on here. I go home and away, I'm peed of we didn't build on last season, I'm frustrated with some of his signings, and if someone could offer a sensible alternative I'd happily take them. That said there's also context,and reality. Something most on here haven't got. Anyone who thinks that he should be given a chance afterour best run of finishes in the top flight is clueless. Edit: your posts are often balanced and offer suggestions that aren't just bollacks Only 90%? You're not reading them properly..... I get the mood from on here? After attending the recent Liverpool and Hull games i was able to work out the "mood" clearly. I take it you just guessed that i never go Are you now saying you are clueless?
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Post by mrcoke on May 23, 2017 7:42:40 GMT
He needs to decide on his formation and stick with it !!!!!! are we 4-3-3, 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 All have worked in patches and all have failed, is this due to the players ? Manager ? Also need to get some big earners off the wage bill (Adam, Imbula, Diouf, Joselu, Wollscheid) and bring in some younger hungry talent who may well use us as a stepping stone but at least we would get 1/2 good seasons and a profit. I can see there is a argument for more consistency and finding your best team and sticking with the same system. If we were a top 6 club with world class players and squad members who can step in seamlessly then it is right to play to your maximum strength and let the opposition worry about how to stop you. But we are not a top team and have weaknesses in the squad. Therefore the manager has to play a system that either suits the players he has available on the day, or take account of the strengths (and weaknesses) of the opposition. So, for example if Crouch is in form and the opposition defence are weak in the air then play Crouch. On Saturday, Hughes went with wing backs, with the intention of them getting the ball to Crouch. Southampton were exploiting the spaces left behind the wing backs and using the width of the pitch. If not addressed this could have resulted in them scoring, as it was in the first half they didn't get a shot on target to test Butland. So Hughes went to 4 at the back in the second half and Stoke dominated the early part of the second half and scored. A manager needs to manage and change tactics to suit each match, unless of course he has a team like Chelsea, Spurs, or ManC.
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Post by Lesalanos on May 24, 2017 16:52:01 GMT
My post was aimed at chonburi,a man whose posts are 90% Hughes out, who watches on TV never goes and gets the mood from on here. I go home and away, I'm peed of we didn't build on last season, I'm frustrated with some of his signings, and if someone could offer a sensible alternative I'd happily take them. That said there's also context,and reality. Something most on here haven't got. Anyone who thinks that he should be given a chance afterour best run of finishes in the top flight is clueless. Edit: your posts are often balanced and offer suggestions that aren't just bollacks Only 90%? You're not reading them properly..... I get the mood from on here? After attending the recent Liverpool and Hull games i was able to work out the "mood" clearly. I take it you just guessed that i never go Are you now saying you are clueless? I was being generous. No I rightly suspected from the timing of your posts, and your username that you're an expat, who attends at best irregularly(I put never goes to get a reaction) but takes every opportunity to just slag hughes off. Attending one or thirty eight games makes you no less of a supporter, or any less entitled to an opinion, but with the greatest of respect you're like a trump supporter(anyone but Hilary sorry hughes) With regard to those two games here's my take. The Liverpool game we were 1-0 up and should have killed it off but a great miglonet save. The second half they subbed on firmino and couthino, both scoring one a world class finish. The mood rightly was pissed that we'd let a lead sleep and his substitution was crap. Let it sink in though we were pissed off losing to Liverpool and felt we should have won. Vast majority of posters on here thought Hughes was crap. Those who think he's still the best man didn't post. Your next match we dominate go 1-0 up and look in cruise control. Then it changes they get on top and equalise, deservedly and we're on the back foot. The supporters turn, some around me boo the substitutions, one calls Hughes a clueless cxxt!!(clearly a bit like me) 10 mins later we're 3-1 up, said bloke doesn't celebrate because he is a cxxt!! People still are pissed though, and that's after a wonder strike or two. Hughes substitutions turned it back our way. The majority on here who've painted them into a Thai corner (see what I did there) say it was all down to the hull substitution. One of these posters then claim days later that silva is a better manager than Hughes! You cant make it up, well I suppose those you mix with could. I'm happy to go back and forward with you around the clock, but let's be honest I'm sure you've got more of life than to post drivel on here all day. After all I understand there are lots of reasons you be happy living there as opposed you the gloom of the potteries? I would be interested to hear the names of a manager we could get in with more than a clue than Hughes.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 26, 2017 7:41:43 GMT
Is this a warning or just a comment?
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Post by foxysgloves on May 26, 2017 9:01:24 GMT
For all his flaws and all our weaknesses, he's shown enough in his time to suggest he could get us firing again.
Personally I would probably have given him the push......BUT...... I'm not an incredibly successful businessman who can lay claim to being Stoke City's most influential and successful chairman ever.
And one word keeps popping up in my head.
Continuity.
So maybe we should all put our reservations to one side and get behind Hughes and the team.
Not that I think that will happen but you never know.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 26, 2017 9:15:21 GMT
After this latest batch of news, I definitely want him gone!
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on May 26, 2017 9:28:41 GMT
Is this a warning or just a comment? PC just told him "Sort you shit out Mark, or you'll be off to Sunderland"
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Post by bandit on May 26, 2017 9:33:48 GMT
It's truly amazing when Pulis was here we moaned he had only one way of playing, now we have a manager who tries out differant systems and still gets dogs abuse for it.True this season as been a bitter dissapointment but think over the course of 3 seasons he deserves a chance to see if he can get us back on track.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 26, 2017 9:40:04 GMT
After this latest batch of news, I definitely want him gone! I think the whole board has lost the plot Whilst the rest reach out for younger managers, youthful fast fullbacks come wingers we have decided that the opposite will work Madness
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 26, 2017 11:17:23 GMT
He's making it bloody difficult for anyone to get behind him at the min.
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Post by gingerninja on May 26, 2017 17:09:10 GMT
I think he will definitely have to generate most of the money to spend which I am fine with. We have and to a point will always be a selling club. We just have to be more selective with who we replace the sold players with..
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 17:19:59 GMT
At the end of the season -Id have got behind Hughes alright - with a loaded fucking shotgun !
I've mellowed now
but Id just love to witness a game by game expose of the entire season , in front of his employers
(The Coates family)
to explain the litany of total cock ups he presided over - too many to list here but broadly covering
1)An appallingly poor start born of totally inadequate pre season preparation 2)crap tactics 3)crap team selection 4)crap formations 5)A risk averse approach to actually trying to win games 6)incredibly poor loan decisions ( in and out)
and perhaps featuring worst, of all :-
7) An absolutely profligate* (*to the point of rank stupidity) & wasteful approach to transfer monies,
whilst, continuing to flog an aging squad with failing legs - to death
Simply things Stoke City cant afford
and cannot continue with
and lastly Sobhi - for the way hes handled that poor lad - he wants stringing up by his balls (as far as I am Concerned)
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Post by nonameface on May 26, 2017 17:28:35 GMT
At the end of the season -Id have got behind Hughes alright - with a loaded fucking shotgun ! I've mellowed now but Id just love to witness a game by game expose of the entire season , in front of his employers (The Coates family) to explain the litany of total cock ups he presided over - too many to list here but broadly covering 1)An appallingly poor start born of totally inadequate pre season preparation 2)crap tactics 3)crap team selection 4)crap formations 5)A risk averse approach to actually trying to win games 6)incredibly poor loan decisions ( in and out) and perhaps featuring worst, of all :- 7) An absolutely profligate* (*to the point of rank stupidity) & wasteful approach to transfer monies, whilst, continuing to flog an aging squad with failing legs - to death Simply things Stoke City cant afford and cannot continue with and lastly Sobhi - for the way hes handled that poor lad - he wants stringing up by his balls (as far as I am Concerned) With a loaded shotgun? I'm hearing you wanting to shoot him in the back with both barrels.... touching.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 17:33:52 GMT
FIGURATIVELY - YES
literally - no
fucking disappointing and incredibly annoying and wasted season, all down to rank poor management
( given the resources at his disposal)
fucking lucky to keep his job, I would say
and arrogant enough to not even realise how close to the sack he got
The Hull game at home - so nearly - turned to defeat - and then where would we have been ?????
Im giving him the first half dozen games next season - not even the usual ten
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2017 17:38:08 GMT
Is this a warning or just a comment? Why is it different to any transfer window? Recruitment in the PL is paramount as coaching has gone out of the window. It's OK for Coates to come out with this garbage but he has to back his man. Half arsed approach won't cut it.
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