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Post by bingbang on May 20, 2017 8:22:02 GMT
Instead of changing the manager why do clubs not just change the assistant/ coach. A new assistant could totally change the way a team plays yet the manager would still be the figurehead. Why don't we get rid of Bowen and bring someone new in like Ryan Gigs. He would be an ideal assistant for Hughes, Welsh , played at biggest club for best manager hungry for success what's not to like.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 20, 2017 8:38:22 GMT
And break up the boys club? Ryan Giggs did great things at the shit with Moyes and Van Gaal!
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Post by TinkerT on May 20, 2017 8:46:06 GMT
Because the coaches and assistants are chosen by Hughes and usually managers contracts have it in that these people will be working under them. Its rare that they sack assistants or coaches.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 20, 2017 9:02:54 GMT
Giggs was the ultimate YES man with van Gaal so wouldnt change a thing.
We do need someone with a better focus on fitness though
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 20, 2017 9:31:42 GMT
Instead of changing the manager why do clubs not just change the assistant/ coach. A new assistant could totally change the way a team plays yet the manager would still be the figurehead. Why don't we get rid of Bowen and bring someone new in like Ryan Gigs. He would be an ideal assistant for Hughes, Welsh , played at biggest club for best manager hungry for success what's not to like. As others have said at most clubs, including ours, the manager and his senior coaching staff come as a package and the manager only gets rid of his staff if the relationship between them has broken down. So, it is get rid of the manager if you want to get rid of his staff - although sometimes (like at Leicester) the manager is sacked and the coaching staff accept the offer to stay on. I'm more interested in why you think Giggs would be a good option as assistant manager. Can I ask why? Exactly what has he done as a player or a coach to suggest he will make a good assistant manager? The fact he was a fabulous player in his prime means nothing. Some of the best managers and coaches had mediocre (or even non existent) playing careers and some of the best players have been rubbish at coaching. The two skill sets are very different.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2017 9:38:00 GMT
Bowen is just as useless as Hughes when it comes to decisions especially substitutions.I watch them all the time especially when he's got the pamphlet out deciding who's picking who up at set plays😂We need a clean sweep at management level to try and rejuvenate these players
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Post by professorplump on May 20, 2017 9:38:58 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily replace Bowen but it would not be a bad idea to add to the coaching team and get someone in with some new ideas. Tony Pulis brought in Peter Reid and Gerry Francis at various times which seemed to work okay. I think sometimes it is perhaps easier to spot problems from the outside than when you are immersed in the middle of it all. I just wish someone would come in and tell Mark Hughes to put a man on the post when defencing corners!
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Post by coupe on May 20, 2017 9:39:27 GMT
Bowen is just as useless as Hughes when it comes to decisions especially substitutions.I watch them all the time especially when he's got the pamphlet out deciding who's picking who up at set plays😂We need a clean sweep at management level to try and rejuvenate these players Or maybe a new note pad
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Post by superheroantonius on May 20, 2017 9:46:52 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily replace Bowen but it would not be a bad idea to add to the coaching team and get someone in with some new ideas. Tony Pulis brought in Peter Reid and Gerry Francis at various times which seemed to work okay. I think sometimes it is perhaps easier to spot problems from the outside than when you are immersed in the middle of it all. I just wish someone would come in and tell Mark Hughes to put a man on the post when defencing corners! Yes! Agreed And just react to problems during the game Arsenals full backs were high and wide at every opportunity on Saturday and he did nothing about it for one and half hours! To be fair he put crouchy on ( good shout) but regarding sorting out their full backs ( maybe put diouf and sobhi on them???) he did nothing for one and half hours. I would be happier if he tried something that didn't work than did nothing.
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Post by lordb on May 20, 2017 9:52:11 GMT
Ferguson used to change his assistants regularly
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Post by sharonbeech21 on May 20, 2017 9:53:33 GMT
I Think Ryan Giggs would be an excellent choice as assistant to Mark Hughes. They will know each other very well through their time with Man Utd and Wales
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Post by tuum on May 20, 2017 9:59:00 GMT
The OP makes an interesting point. I have a friend who is an A qualified coach. He did his A licence with Bowen and a few other ex-professionals. He became friends with Bowen and says he is an intelligent man with a good sense of humour. I met up with him last April having not seen him for a few years.He also knows Mark Hughes altho' not sure how well. His opinion re. Stoke is that they have lost their way a bit. Surprisingly, he felt the solution was to ditch Bowen and Eddie. Shake up the backroom team. He feels the set up is too cosy and people have lost their drive and perhaps their coaching is a little bit stale.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 20, 2017 10:00:40 GMT
Ferguson used to change his assistants regularly Yes, but I am sure that was Fergie's decision not his chairman's.
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Post by reddipotter on May 20, 2017 11:18:02 GMT
I've never understood how there can be continuity when the whole team is changed. It doesn't happen in other types of employment. Why is there no succession planning? The next manager should be told to work with someone with Stoke in their blood as part of their management team.
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Post by steinosjockstrap on May 20, 2017 13:02:13 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily replace Bowen but it would not be a bad idea to add to the coaching team and get someone in with some new ideas. Tony Pulis brought in Peter Reid and Gerry Francis at various times which seemed to work okay. I think sometimes it is perhaps easier to spot problems from the outside than when you are immersed in the middle of it all. I just wish someone would come in and tell Mark Hughes to put a man on the post when defencing corners! I thought most people considered Francis a yes man who was a waste of money?
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Post by robstokie on May 20, 2017 17:53:42 GMT
It's an interesting thought. Personally, I don't think it will ever happen - As long as Sparky has a job, so will Bowen, Niedswicki (spelling) and Glyn Hodges (who has bought through a few to the edges of the first team, only to be pretty much ignored by Sparky and co.)
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Post by pottersrule on May 20, 2017 18:04:46 GMT
Ferguson used to change his assistants regularly I think most left to go into management tbh. Maclaren, Kidd,Queiroz, Smith and Phelan all left to manage clubs and Archie Knox was home sick and returned to Scotland.
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Post by lordb on May 20, 2017 21:36:32 GMT
Ferguson used to change his assistants regularly Yes, but I am sure that was Fergie's decision not his chairman's. That's true.
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Post by woodstein on May 20, 2017 21:41:40 GMT
Oatcake forum should be renamed Fantasy league forum as everyone posts about who they would like to see at the club. Its just not going to happen. Wait and see who the manager/club bring in because who we would all like to join just doesn't happen.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 21, 2017 4:03:26 GMT
Isn't the second guy just the managers best mate? Not a chance.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 21, 2017 12:12:28 GMT
I Think Ryan Giggs would be an excellent choice as assistant to Mark Hughes. They will know each other very well through their time with Man Utd and Wales Would the players trust giggsy with there wives 😀
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Post by mrred on May 21, 2017 12:14:32 GMT
A fucking defensive coach wouldn't go a miss in their little boys club.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 21, 2017 12:14:34 GMT
It's an interesting thought. Personally, I don't think it will ever happen - As long as Sparky has a job, so will Bowen, Niedswicki (spelling) and Glyn Hodges (who has bought through a few to the edges of the first team, only to be pretty much ignored by Sparky and co.) Is that the same glyn hodges who use to play for Sheff Utd and mayb Leeds as he was a cracking player
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 12:48:56 GMT
Welsh idiot, number 2
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Post by superheroantonius on May 21, 2017 13:11:52 GMT
I am not sure about manager but I think gary neville would make a much better number 2 than giggs
Giggs would come if he thought we would pay him lots of money and he would get to go on the telly now and then and meet some totty here and there.
But I think neville would have more more football input
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 21, 2017 13:44:02 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 21, 2017 13:46:50 GMT
There wouldn't seem to be any harm bringing in ideas from different people (without the need to remove or replace existing staff). Wasn't Paul Jewell here briefly under Pulis? As well as the already mentioned Reid and Francis.
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