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Post by thegift on May 19, 2017 10:09:16 GMT
If he's worth 20 million then jack must be 50 mill Don't say that, when i thought Butland was worth £50M i had riccyfuller93 acting like a five year old.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 10:39:38 GMT
We have two players on the wing, forever cutting inside because they're on the wrong foot. Don't agree with it, and never will, no matter how supposedly good the players involved are!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 19, 2017 11:32:50 GMT
Chris Woods?
Don't be fucking daft. Course its not true
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Post by clarkeda on May 19, 2017 11:37:04 GMT
Chris Wood or iancaho (sp) not really a hard choice is it
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 19, 2017 12:31:53 GMT
Here we go again Another one written off on here ....I'll dare bet most have no idea about him and that's why " he's shit " or is it because he plays in that league called " the championship " He's scored THIRTY GOALS Oh well "The championship" is a league below "The Premiership" in pretty much every sense of the term - except competitiveness. There are players that look great in the The Championship and awful in the Premiership - especially strikers. I saw Chris Woods play quite a few times for Leicester and from what I saw he isn't shit but he is definitely a Championship quality striker - very limited and certainly not £20m.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on May 19, 2017 12:55:46 GMT
Here we go again Another one written off on here ....I'll dare bet most have no idea about him and that's why " he's shit " or is it because he plays in that league called " the championship " He's scored THIRTY GOALS Oh well "The championship" is a league below "The Premiership" in pretty much every sense of the term - except competitiveness. There are players that look great in the The Championship and awful in the Premiership - especially strikers. I saw Chris Woods play quite a few times for Leicester and from what I saw he isn't shit but he is definitely a Championship quality striker - very limited and certainly not £20m. Confirms what someone else was talking to me about a moment ago. After scoffing at the £20m price tag, he soon confirmed that he looked "okay" in the championship but was not that good in the step in the Premiership, not looked like being. Perhaps he is a Championship 'star' and that is his level?
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 19, 2017 13:31:04 GMT
I'd suggest a striker but one I would get laughed at for my temerity, and two I have forgotten his name.
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Post by southstanddan on May 19, 2017 13:36:38 GMT
Here we go again Another one written off on here ....I'll dare bet most have no idea about him and that's why " he's shit " or is it because he plays in that league called " the championship " He's scored THIRTY GOALS Oh well Bony has done it in the Prem but MH should be put against a wall and shot for taking a risk on him on loan haha
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Post by clarkeda on May 19, 2017 13:39:32 GMT
"The championship" is a league below "The Premiership" in pretty much every sense of the term - except competitiveness. There are players that look great in the The Championship and awful in the Premiership - especially strikers. I saw Chris Woods play quite a few times for Leicester and from what I saw he isn't shit but he is definitely a Championship quality striker - very limited and certainly not £20m. Confirms what someone else was talking to me about a moment ago. After scoffing at the £20m price tag, he soon confirmed that he looked "okay" in the championship but was not that good in the step in the Premiership, not looked like being. Perhaps he is a Championship 'star' and that is his level? David Nugent springs to mind.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 19, 2017 13:47:36 GMT
As with most things, it depends on circumstances. Gestede scored for fun in the championship, repeatedly been shown up in the PL. Conversely, Austin has shown he can do it in both. Rhodes has fallen short in PL. But then there's Vardy.
20 mil is probs a bit steep, but people need to take into account how inflated the market is now with the advent of tv money. If clubs are receiving a share of several billion in tv money, transfers fees will shift to correspond to that. Let's not forget we shelled out 15 mil on a guy who was allegedly a "proven" pl striker, and loaned another who's scored bucketloads for a similar sized clubs.
Strikers live or die from the service they receive, I don't think Wood would be a terrible replacement for a Crouch, but until they play you can't say "that's his level" because we just don't know.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 19, 2017 13:48:39 GMT
We have two players on the wing, forever cutting inside because they're on the wrong foot. Don't agree with it, and never will, no matter how supposedly good the players involved are! I agree, Arnie is so good when he just runs down the line and cuts it back. Rather than his cut inside shit shot routine that is becoming his favoured approach.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on May 19, 2017 13:51:25 GMT
We already have good players who can put the ball in the net. It is the fact that we do not have the correct delivery or players who can deliver. A perfect example was the home game against Everton. Arnie beat his man on the outside, got to the bye line, crossed it in for Crouch, who scored. We don't do that often enough, and I am convinced it's a big reason we don't score many goals. Yep. If you're going to play "inverted" wingers in a 4-4-3, then really they have to be chipping in the thick end 20 goals between them otherwise it's not worth it. By playing them on their "wrong" side you're essentially trading dangerous crosses from the byeline on the premise that they are more able to cut inside and shoot, get dangerous through balls in. Personally i don't feel we do enough of the latter to justify sacrificing the former, especially not when we have crouch on the pitch, as soon as we have someone who can head a ball up front the then arnie should be on the right and shaq on the left.
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Post by pottersrule on May 19, 2017 13:53:05 GMT
We have two players on the wing, forever cutting inside because they're on the wrong foot. Don't agree with it, and never will, no matter how supposedly good the players involved are! I agree, Arnie is so good when he just runs down the line and cuts it back. Rather than his cut inside shit shot routine that is becoming his favoured approach. Doesn't have the pace to beat a man on the outside, that's why he cuts inside.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on May 19, 2017 13:57:51 GMT
I agree, Arnie is so good when he just runs down the line and cuts it back. Rather than his cut inside shit shot routine that is becoming his favoured approach. Doesn't have the pace to beat a man on the outside, that's why he cuts inside. Not sure about that, he's not rapid but he's quick enough when he gives someone the shoulder, problem is he wants absolutely acres before he'll swing one in on his left. He's not going to get acres against anyone. Not saying he should move to the right permenantly but i would like to have seen us try it more often.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 19, 2017 14:01:46 GMT
I agree, Arnie is so good when he just runs down the line and cuts it back. Rather than his cut inside shit shot routine that is becoming his favoured approach. Doesn't have the pace to beat a man on the outside, that's why he cuts inside. Arnie's more than capable of burning a man, his goals last season show that. He's also incredibly strong an skillful and if he went for the byline a lot more often, I think he'd be a lot more productive. Rinses De Laet (cuts inside but that was for the reverse pass) Byline v Bournemouth Murders Citeh's right back for his second Puts the ball on a penny for Walters v Norwich Rinses the Swansea rightback before crossing He's barely done any of that this season, because Hughes has tried to make us narrower to suit Berahino.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 19, 2017 14:09:33 GMT
If he's worth 20 million then jack must be 50 mill Don't say that, when i thought Butland was worth £50M i had riccyfuller93 acting like a five year old. 😂 When you look at the crazy prices going around jack maybe worth more £££££££
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 19, 2017 14:32:30 GMT
If he's worth 20 million then jack must be 50 mill Don't say that, when i thought Butland was worth £50M i had riccyfuller93 acting like a five year old. Just bare in mind that Spider man is your avatar before you call anyone five. And like I said, only deluded people think Butland is worth 50M
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 19, 2017 14:32:49 GMT
Don't say that, when i thought Butland was worth £50M i had riccyfuller93 acting like a five year old. 😂 When you look at the crazy prices going around jack maybe worth more £££££££ LOL
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 19, 2017 14:37:45 GMT
As with most things, it depends on circumstances. Gestede scored for fun in the championship, repeatedly been shown up in the PL. Conversely, Austin has shown he can do it in both. Rhodes has fallen short in PL. But then there's Vardy. 20 mil is probs a bit steep, but people need to take into account how inflated the market is now with the advent of tv money. If clubs are receiving a share of several billion in tv money, transfers fees will shift to correspond to that. Let's not forget we shelled out 15 mil on a guy who was allegedly a "proven" pl striker, and loaned another who's scored bucketloads for a similar sized clubs. Strikers live or die from the service they receive, I don't think Wood would be a terrible replacement for a Crouch, but until they play you can't say "that's his level" because we just don't know. I think the qualities that can transfer to the PL are skill, power and most importantly pace. I don't see any of them in Wood. With Vardy and the lad from Bournemouth you could see them adapting,.
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Post by TexasPotter on May 19, 2017 15:38:55 GMT
£20 Million wth hahaha get Iheanacho for that!
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Post by stokie1954 on May 19, 2017 20:37:08 GMT
See Jermaine Beckford/Jordan Rhodes/Ross McCormack. No thanks!.
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Post by swampySCFC on May 19, 2017 22:17:36 GMT
I cannot believe if we had signed Jordan Rhodes and played him up front as a striker with a partner he would not have scored 15 goals
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Post by thegift on May 19, 2017 23:26:23 GMT
Don't say that, when i thought Butland was worth £50M i had riccyfuller93 acting like a five year old. Just bare in mind that Spider man is your avatar before you call anyone five. And like I said, only deluded people think Butland is worth 50M So you judge people on avatars? Have you ever heard 'never judge a book by its cover?' Are you insinuating all muslims are terrorists? That my friend is racist.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 19, 2017 23:45:59 GMT
If there's anything in this, you have to feel that we're no closer to answering the question, 'what does Mark Hughes expect his strikers to do?'
We've had the immobile target man (Crouch), the hard working handful goal poacher (Diouf), the technically proficient but physically weak (Joselu), the blobby (Guidetti), the midfielder in disguise (Bojan), the Walters (Walters) and the plays off the last defender type (Berahino). All totally different types, mostly obtained for fairly significant amounts of money, none of whom have managed to nail down a first team place.
What is his striker supposed to do? Is he waiting for a Fuller/Suarez style one man attack?
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 20, 2017 1:46:50 GMT
Just bare in mind that Spider man is your avatar before you call anyone five. And like I said, only deluded people think Butland is worth 50M So you judge people on avatars? Have you ever heard 'never judge a book by its cover?' Are you insinuating all muslims are terrorists? That my friend is racist. This is hilarious. I didn't know Spiderman was a "race"
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 20, 2017 1:47:20 GMT
Just bare in mind that Spider man is your avatar before you call anyone five. And like I said, only deluded people think Butland is worth 50M So you judge people on avatars? Have you ever heard 'never judge a book by its cover?' Are you insinuating all muslims are terrorists? That my friend is racist. This is the best thing I've ever read on the oatcake.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 1:50:27 GMT
Doesn't have the pace to beat a man on the outside, that's why he cuts inside. Arnie's more than capable of burning a man, his goals last season show that. He's also incredibly strong an skillful and if he went for the byline a lot more often, I think he'd be a lot more productive. Rinses De Laet (cuts inside but that was for the reverse pass) Byline v Bournemouth Murders Citeh's right back for his second Puts the ball on a penny for Walters v Norwich Rinses the Swansea rightback before crossing He's barely done any of that this season, because Hughes has tried to make us narrower to suit Berahino. They've had to cut narrower because we don't have any creativity in the middle. Arnie's strength makes him look a lot quicker, but he's definitely no slouch.
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Post by PotterLog on May 20, 2017 4:22:58 GMT
If there's anything in this, you have to feel that we're no closer to answering the question, 'what does Mark Hughes expect his strikers to do?' We've had the immobile target man (Crouch), the hard working handful goal poacher (Diouf), the technically proficient but physically weak (Joselu), the blobby (Guidetti), the midfielder in disguise (Bojan), the Walters (Walters) and the plays off the last defender type (Berahino). All totally different types, mostly obtained for fairly significant amounts of money, none of whom have managed to nail down a first team place. What is his striker supposed to do? Is he waiting for a Fuller/Suarez style one man attack? And pretty much all of those players have at some point had decent scoring records, either elsewhere or previously at Stoke. It's almost like it's not the players that are the problem
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 5:13:53 GMT
Can't be bothered to search or look for the poster but, on the summer recruit thread, I'm guessing he's an Egyptian member linked 3/4 Egyptians with YouTube clips, they look the type of players we need. They looked quick, very skillful, very attacking, can carry the ball up the pitch, know where the goal is and I'd doubt they would command huge fees and wages either.
These should be defiantly scouted by our pizza boys.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 20, 2017 7:03:46 GMT
Woods and Rhodes both seem a bit slow to me! Both typical Championship strikers too as I see it. Rhodes has showed at Middlesbrough that he couldn't make the step, and I know Woods have score a lot this season, but he doesn't fill me with confidence from what I've seen. First of all he needs crosses into the box, and if we are going to start putting crosses into the box, we might as well put Crouchy on top!
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