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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 13, 2017 21:18:03 GMT
I've never been over the top for or against but the tactics today have finished me with him .
You can't beat Arsenal like that , We had nothing to lose, a big game for the club traditionally and that was the the best he could set up or get from his team
If he stays he will relegate us .
He knew how to beat them 3 years ago . Sadly it's gone now.
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Post by kjpt140v on May 13, 2017 21:44:43 GMT
You can't blame Hughes for players who decide they are going to fuck up every pass the make, chicken out of a challenge (Diouf), miss sitters, fuck up every cross they make, decide not to turn up. Indi, Butland, Shawcross, Allen are the only reliables we have. Indi my player of the year, sad to think Indi may be leaving us. Hughes? One more season and let's see.
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Post by penkvillepotter on May 13, 2017 21:52:24 GMT
I'll do my best. I've defended Hughes against all comers but after today I couldn't care less, I have a mate I used to work with who sadly happens to be a Gooner and I've always told him we'd get truly hammered one day largely due to the fact they'd turn it on. But after watching our lot loll around today I have concluded he can't get them sufficiently motivated to give it to them.
This is Arsenal FFS. I'm a Hillsborough & Goodison veteran. This game means a lot to me. By all means sack Hughes but don't let the players get of with that. Not going to talk about individuals but some did a bit and most did fuck all. We've had some 4 goal beatings this season but nothing like today.
Sorry Mark, this time yesterday I took from your comments that you'd had a bollocking but there was a determination to put things right for next season and I was fine with that but today was so embarrassing I've gone full circle. So for that reason I'm out.
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Post by dutchstokie on May 13, 2017 21:56:48 GMT
Yes
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Post by robwahlmann on May 13, 2017 22:07:07 GMT
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Post by moz on May 13, 2017 22:12:34 GMT
if we can bring in a better manager then yes he can go, if not then what's the point of him leaving.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 13, 2017 22:13:38 GMT
I'm not excusing the players but he picked the team and set the tactics, he left the only bloke we had who could upset them on the bench until we were 2 down instead of putting pressure on them from the start.
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Post by metalhead on May 13, 2017 22:15:46 GMT
I just don't think there's a better alternative. We should back him.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 22:15:53 GMT
This season's been a fuck up from start to finish, but I was saying I thought he should be given the chance to put things right before the match, and there was no reason for me to think that the problems that were there before today's match were going to magically disappear today.
Whoever's in charge next season really does need to overhaul the squad. Aside from the ageless Crouch, all our other older players seem to be rapidly declining. Much money needs to be spent on fees and/or wages and if Hughes does stay then there can be no 6-game delay in the season starting.
Coates needs to give the manager his full financial backing. No half measures. If he doesn't trust Hughes to spend the money wisely then he should get rid. There's no point keeping a lame-duck manager in situ without the necessary backing because that really will lead to relegation.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 22:16:00 GMT
All professionals do.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 13, 2017 22:26:25 GMT
It depends on who the owners see as a replacement.
I think there's a very realistic possibility that if we stick with Hughes, then he'll take us down next season (the man clearly hasn't got the foggiest idea about what it is he's trying to achieve).
Having said that, I can't think of a single realistic British candidate who I would have faith in, to give us a better chance of survival than Hughes, so if that is the only pool that we are prepared to fish in, then we might as well stick with him and 'hope' for the best.
If we've got enough about us to look abroad, then I truly believe that there is a ton of opportunities available to us.
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Post by blackpoolred on May 13, 2017 22:27:22 GMT
You can't blame Hughes for players who decide they are going to fuck up every pass the make, chicken out of a challenge (Diouf), miss sitters, fuck up every cross they make, decide not to turn up. Indi, Butland, Shawcross, Allen are the only reliables we have. Indi my player of the year, sad to think Indi may be leaving us. Hughes? One more season and let's see. But, yet again, our only viable central midfielders are Cameron and Whelan, any other combination makes us a pushover in midfield and we cannot compete. They have been great players and without them this season we possibly would not have got to 40pts, our season only started to turn when they were paired in midfield. 5 or 6 windows ago we were talking about them being replaced and moving to the, so called, next level. How long can they last? they were off the pace at times today, If we can't replace them next season then next level maybe the championship. A little bit of the blame has to be with our manager |
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Post by thehoof on May 13, 2017 22:35:57 GMT
You can't blame Hughes for players who decide they are going to fuck up every pass the make, chicken out of a challenge (Diouf), miss sitters, fuck up every cross they make, decide not to turn up. Indi, Butland, Shawcross, Allen are the only reliables we have. Indi my player of the year, sad to think Indi may be leaving us. Hughes? One more season and let's see. But, yet again, our only viable central midfielders are Cameron and Whelan, any other combination makes us a pushover in midfield and we cannot compete. They have been great players and without them this season we possibly would not have got to 40pts, our season only started to turn when they were paired in midfield. 5 or 6 windows ago we were talking about them being replaced and moving to the, so called, next level. How long can they last? they were off the pace at times today, If we can't replace them next season then next level maybe the championship. A little bit of the blame has to be with our manager Glen Whelan has played in every one of our 4 goal or more thrashings in the Premier league, and yet there is a myth that he's a solid defensive midfielder. Neither he, Cameron or Allen have anything like a good enough first (and in Whelan & Cameron's case, second or third) touch. The number of signings we need to make (3 midfielders, 2 fullbacks at a minimum)is frightening. |
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Post by kjpt140v on May 13, 2017 22:38:27 GMT
You can't blame Hughes for players who decide they are going to fuck up every pass the make, chicken out of a challenge (Diouf), miss sitters, fuck up every cross they make, decide not to turn up. Indi, Butland, Shawcross, Allen are the only reliables we have. Indi my player of the year, sad to think Indi may be leaving us. Hughes? One more season and let's see. But, yet again, our only viable central midfielders are Cameron and Whelan, any other combination makes us a pushover in midfield and we cannot compete. They have been great players and without them this season we possibly would not have got to 40pts, our season only started to turn when they were paired in midfield. 5 or 6 windows ago we were talking about them being replaced and moving to the, so called, next level. How long can they last? they were off the pace at times today, If we can't replace them next season then next level maybe the championship. A little bit of the blame has to be with our manager You're right and things need to change that's why we need to give him at least ten games before seriously thinking about removing him. Let's not forget about Ferguson, he'd have gone if the fans had their way. If Hughes changes things and buys wisely then we will know that he has the same reservations about the team as we do. |
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Post by iglugluk on May 13, 2017 22:43:25 GMT
The manager carries the can ultimately he decides how to set up , who plays , what tactics to use and who needs replacing. Hughes needs to be replaced in my opinion.
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Post by crapslinger on May 13, 2017 22:47:02 GMT
But, yet again, our only viable central midfielders are Cameron and Whelan, any other combination makes us a pushover in midfield and we cannot compete. They have been great players and without them this season we possibly would not have got to 40pts, our season only started to turn when they were paired in midfield. 5 or 6 windows ago we were talking about them being replaced and moving to the, so called, next level. How long can they last? they were off the pace at times today, If we can't replace them next season then next level maybe the championship. A little bit of the blame has to be with our manager You're right and things need to change that's why we need to give him at least ten games before seriously thinking about removing him. Let's not forget about Ferguson, he'd have gone if the fans had their way. If Hughes changes things and buys wisely then we will know that he has the same reservations about the team as we do.  buys wisely  , comparison to Ferguson  |
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Post by mattface on May 13, 2017 22:49:03 GMT
Three great seasons given him lots of good will in the bank. He has persuaded players of fantastic ability to join us. Players of a calibre I didn't think I'd see in the red and white. Sadly he just doesn't seem to know how to get them to play. This season has shown this time and again. I'm not so much in the be careful what you wish for camp, but there are big decisions to be made - just glad I don't have to make them. Onwards to next season.
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Post by kjpt140v on May 13, 2017 22:57:06 GMT
You're right and things need to change that's why we need to give him at least ten games before seriously thinking about removing him. Let's not forget about Ferguson, he'd have gone if the fans had their way. If Hughes changes things and buys wisely then we will know that he has the same reservations about the team as we do. buys wisely , comparison to Ferguson Sorry where's the comparison to Ferguson? Do you really think that I believe that Hughes could achieve what Ferguson could? All things are relative you fucking idiot. |
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on May 14, 2017 0:19:23 GMT
I genuinely think we could easily have a great season next season. I'd at least give him until the end of December, if not the whole season. We can't expect to have a great season every year. If everyone had the season they expect to have, the table would be the same every year.
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Post by mickstupp on May 14, 2017 0:22:55 GMT
I'll do my best. I've defended Hughes against all comers but after today I couldn't care less, I have a mate I used to work with who sadly happens to be a Gooner and I've always told him we'd get truly hammered one day largely due to the fact they'd turn it on. But after watching our lot loll around today I have concluded he can't get them sufficiently motivated to give it to them. This is Arsenal FFS. I'm a Hillsborough & Goodison veteran. This game means a lot to me. By all means sack Hughes but don't let the players get of with that. Not going to talk about individuals but some did a bit and most did fuck all. We've had some 4 goal beatings this season but nothing like today. Sorry Mark, this time yesterday I took from your comments that you'd had a bollocking but there was a determination to put things right for next season and I was fine with that but today was so embarrassing I've gone full circle. So for that reason I'm out. Indeed, there is a complete lack of responsibility being taken by the players on the pitch |
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Post by AlanHansen on May 14, 2017 0:24:10 GMT
A big fucking no. If he goes today I'll be dancing a jig.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 0:26:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 0:30:13 GMT
I'm not excusing the players but he picked the team and set the tactics, he left the only bloke we had who could upset them on the bench until we were 2 down instead of putting pressure on them from the start. Silva if Hull go Wagner if Huddersfield fail Geezer at Fulham, thats just in this country. What is Scholes doing for 950k (last season) a year ? Pizza boys ? This Wrexham connection is ruining us. |
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Post by superheroantonius on May 14, 2017 7:56:40 GMT
You can't blame Hughes for players who decide they are going to fuck up every pass the make, chicken out of a challenge (Diouf), miss sitters, fuck up every cross they make, decide not to turn up. Indi, Butland, Shawcross, Allen are the only reliables we have. Indi my player of the year, sad to think Indi may be leaving us. Hughes? One more season and let's see. Then why drop sobhi because he hasn't had a bad game for us And Why drop Bard's because he always ' on it ' for us |
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Post by jzime on May 14, 2017 8:01:49 GMT
You can't blame Hughes for players who decide they are going to fuck up every pass the make, chicken out of a challenge (Diouf), miss sitters, fuck up every cross they make, decide not to turn up. Indi, Butland, Shawcross, Allen are the only reliables we have. Indi my player of the year, sad to think Indi may be leaving us. Hughes? One more season and let's see. If, as you say, virtually all of his signings has been fuck-ups who can't make a pass and miss sitters, why would you trust him with another transfer window to sign players? Isn't there a very big risk of him signing another raft of supposedly bad players? Or just him signings another raft of Bojans, Imbulas, Joselus and Wollscheid who he'll play for 12-18 months and then try to get rid off, often for a big loss? |
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Post by thevoid on May 14, 2017 8:09:32 GMT
I just don't think there's a better alternative. We should back him. He's been backed and he's relying on TP's old guard. 18m spunked on Imbula, more potentially wasted on Berahino. Enough's enough. |
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Post by Davef on May 14, 2017 8:12:12 GMT
You mean Robbie Savage and the rest of the Old Boys Backslapping Brigade? |
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Post by superheroantonius on May 14, 2017 8:19:44 GMT
if we can bring in a better manager then yes he can go, if not then what's the point of him leaving. Erm... He has won won game in the last ten. Every manager in the league has a better record than that. The only reason we are aren't relegated is he went against his own prejudice and gave sobhi a few games after AFCON causing us to beat palace and boro and draw with man city. Before rediscovering his prejudice and making us a one win in ten team |
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Post by superheroantonius on May 14, 2017 8:26:50 GMT
I've never been over the top for or against but the tactics today have finished me with him . You can't beat Arsenal like that , We had nothing to lose, a big game for the club traditionally and that was the the best he could set up or get from his team If he stays he will relegate us . He knew how to beat them 3 years ago . Sadly it's gone now. If you play arsenal or spurs you have to try and somehow keep tabs on there full backs or they will run riot. That's not being clever, any school boy old enough to stay up and watch MOTD will tell you that Who is the only manager in the premier league not to do that? Mark hughes Shaqiri against a full back bombing forward every two minutes! He's having a laugh! Shaq tracks back and puts a tackle in for no one!! |
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Post by blackpoolred on May 14, 2017 8:26:51 GMT
It depends on who the owners see as a replacement. I think there's a very realistic possibility that if we stick with Hughes, then he'll take us down next season (the man clearly hasn't got the foggiest idea about what it is he's trying to achieve). Having said that, I can't think of a single realistic British candidate who I would have faith in, to give us a better chance of survival than Hughes, so if that is the only pool that we are prepared to fish in, then we might as well stick with him and 'hope' for the best. If we've got enough about us to look abroad, then I truly believe that there is a ton of opportunities available to us. I think if Hughes continues in the same vein then we could be in for a real struggle next year. But, sadly, you are probably correct in saying that he is the best British option available. I love our chairman, but when it comes to picking a manager he worries the feck out of me. Quite frankly the thought of Moyes, Bruce or Pardew taking over is more petrifying than Hughes staying. I have heard rumours that our manager has 3 priorities in the pre-season and they are left defence, centre of defence and centre mid. If this is the case then he is seeing where our issues lie and there is hope. I just hope that if he does prove he is actually capable of buying a defender that it is not a 5ft 10in 6 stone when wet, Barcelona B team player - we need some rottweillers in the team and someone with a bit of character. We are doomed I tell you  |
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