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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2017 9:08:34 GMT
Berahino is a massive worry. 30m between the two and neither look like they'll make an impact here. I desperately want Berahino to but it looks like Hughes has already binned him off. I'd take what we can get for the pair of them. Do a Spurs BOGOF with any club that we could interest. I really don't see how Hughes could or should survive that.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 28, 2017 9:15:50 GMT
I'd take what we can get for the pair of them. Do a Spurs BOGOF with any club that we could interest. I really don't see how Hughes could or should survive that. That's why I put I would. Don't think for one minute Hughes will. Berahino is already on the LMH escape chute to nowhere. Neither got a kick in a confidence building game against Rochdale. Even Wollschied got a run out and he's been leaving imminently for the last 2 weeks.
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Post by timbo1988 on Aug 28, 2017 10:33:01 GMT
We've managed the whole situation very poorly. Some blame has to fall at Imbula for failing to settle/intergrate himself but also have we done our best to settle him into a new country/culture/new league etc? Then we it became clear Hughes had lost faith he wasn't even put on the bench when Adam was, that's fine but if your trying to sell him and he can't even make our 18 man squad then how can we request £15-£20million for him? He needed a loan move last January to get him into form/a shop window. Then this summer we try to still get £15million plus. If we don't sell or loan him out this week then his value will drop further. Worryingly Berahino has now been relegated to 3rd choice striker and we may even bring in another one so he may go the same way. If we bring in a striker then Berahino will be struggling to make the bench. Berahino is a massive worry. 30m between the two and neither look like they'll make an impact here. I desperately want Berahino to but it looks like Hughes has already binned him off. Berahino has now been dropped to the bench like Imbula first was. Next step will struggle to get any game time and then final step will be left out of the 18. It's a massive worry that Hughes spends decent money and then just bins the player after a handful of games. Imbula could have been great with some excellent man management, he hasn't shown the right attitude but I expect the manager to get the best out of his record signing no matter what it takes. Sign a really good defensive midfielder and he could play with Imbula especially in a back 3. Hughes just gives up on the players when it looks tough for them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 10:49:45 GMT
Please god, let this happen
43 bastard pages on this embarrassment of a 'so called' professional football player
hes hung around far too long - like a really bad smell you cant isolate
I'll go around, do his laundry and pack his fucking suitcases myself
(his wifes too)
and drive him to the fucking airport - I'm done with this fucker ! -
useless fucking lummock
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 11:25:55 GMT
err ---- mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ----------- yep
does not change my prior post
and was precisely why I wanted Hughes gone in the summer ( Imbulla and Berahino) along with poor tactics and substitutions last season
he stayed
and so Ive got to be behind him again - for now
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Post by magwitch on Aug 28, 2017 11:51:47 GMT
Please god, let this happen 43 bastard pages on this embarrassment of a 'so called' professional football player hes hung around far too long - like a really bad smell you cant isolate I'll go around, do his laundry and pack his fucking suitcases myself (his wifes too) and drive him to the fucking airport - I'm done with this fucker ! - useless fucking lummock My sentiments entirely, and I would imagine MH's career is on a knife-edge at Stoke given the non-striking Berahino.
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Post by alster on Aug 28, 2017 12:01:25 GMT
Berahino is a massive worry. 30m between the two and neither look like they'll make an impact here. I desperately want Berahino to but it looks like Hughes has already binned him off. Berahino has now been dropped to the bench like Imbula first was. Next step will struggle to get any game time and then final step will be left out of the 18. It's a massive worry that Hughes spends decent money and then just bins the player after a handful of games. Imbula could have been great with some excellent man management, he hasn't shown the right attitude but I expect the manager to get the best out of his record signing no matter what it takes. Sign a really good defensive midfielder and he could play with Imbula especially in a back 3. Hughes just gives up on the players when it looks tough for them. When its them or him its always going to be him self preservation. Doesn't say much for his opinion of his own judgement that he's never been prepared to back it.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 28, 2017 12:04:11 GMT
Please god, let this happen 43 bastard pages on this embarrassment of a 'so called' professional football player hes hung around far too long - like a really bad smell you cant isolate I'll go around, do his laundry and pack his fucking suitcases myself (his wifes too) and drive him to the fucking airport - I'm done with this fucker ! - useless fucking lummock My sentiments entirely, and I would imagine MH's career is on a knife-edge at Stoke given the non-striking Berahino. A very blunt knife-edge I would imagine, given the start to the season (contrary to most opinions on here) and the money handed over for Wimmer (and maybe others before Thursday).
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Post by baystokie on Aug 28, 2017 12:07:45 GMT
Berahino is a massive worry. 30m between the two and neither look like they'll make an impact here. I desperately want Berahino to but it looks like Hughes has already binned him off. Berahino has now been dropped to the bench like Imbula first was. Next step will struggle to get any game time and then final step will be left out of the 18. It's a massive worry that Hughes spends decent money and then just bins the player after a handful of games. Imbula could have been great with some excellent man management, he hasn't shown the right attitude but I expect the manager to get the best out of his record signing no matter what it takes. Sign a really good defensive midfielder and he could play with Imbula especially in a back 3. Hughes just gives up on the players when it looks tough for them. Even Fergie didn't always get the best out of a number of high-price signings (no matter what it took). Sometimes, even excellent man-management skills cannot deliver what's not in the player
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2017 12:24:02 GMT
Berahino has now been dropped to the bench like Imbula first was. Next step will struggle to get any game time and then final step will be left out of the 18. It's a massive worry that Hughes spends decent money and then just bins the player after a handful of games. Imbula could have been great with some excellent man management, he hasn't shown the right attitude but I expect the manager to get the best out of his record signing no matter what it takes. Sign a really good defensive midfielder and he could play with Imbula especially in a back 3. Hughes just gives up on the players when it looks tough for them. Even Fergie didn't always get the best out of a number of high-price signings (no matter what it took). Sometimes, even excellent man-management skills cannot deliver what's not in the player Fergie and Man Yoo could get away with spunking 30m in a whim. Can we? We shouldn't let it put us off big money transfers but both have massive lessons attached to them. That said I desperately want Berahino to succeed here.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 28, 2017 12:28:38 GMT
Even Fergie didn't always get the best out of a number of high-price signings (no matter what it took). Sometimes, even excellent man-management skills cannot deliver what's not in the player Fergie and Man Yoo could get away with spunking 30m in a whim. Can we? We shouldn't let it put us off big money transfers but both have massive lessons attached to them. That said I desperately want Berahino to succeed here. Can you elaborate on the "massive lessons attached to them", I'm really interested in your perfect risk free transfer planning and execution strategy
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2017 12:35:02 GMT
Fergie and Man Yoo could get away with spunking 30m in a whim. Can we? We shouldn't let it put us off big money transfers but both have massive lessons attached to them. That said I desperately want Berahino to succeed here. Can you elaborate on the "massive lessons attached to them", I'm really interested in your perfect risk free transfer planning and execution strategy Imbula failed for the same reasons at Porto and is a mentally weak individual. I'm sure that could have been gleaned. Berahino just doesn't fit what we needed. We've needed a mobile target man since forever! It's not perfect or risk free but heck sign players you actually need.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 28, 2017 12:39:15 GMT
Can you elaborate on the "massive lessons attached to them", I'm really interested in your perfect risk free transfer planning and execution strategy Imbula failed for the same reasons at Porto and is a mentally weak individual. I'm sure that could have been gleaned. Berahino just doesn't fit what we needed. We've needed a mobile target man since forever! It's not perfect or risk free but heck sign players you actually need. So if that mental brittleness could be "gleaned" then surely nobody's gonna pay any sort of decent fee for him, do you agree? Were you not advocating signing Berahino previously?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2017 12:42:26 GMT
Imbula failed for the same reasons at Porto and is a mentally weak individual. I'm sure that could have been gleaned. Berahino just doesn't fit what we needed. We've needed a mobile target man since forever! It's not perfect or risk free but heck sign players you actually need. So if that mental brittleness could be "gleaned" then surely nobody's gonna pay any sort of decent fee for him, do you agree? Were you not advocating signing Berahino previously? Yes, hence why I said I think we'll struggle to get rid of the fucker..... I was, I thought he'd be played on the right wing though as that's where he fits how Hughes plays. I think he's a brilliant striker tbh, so the predicament of Hughes not being able to get him working makes me wonder!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 28, 2017 12:44:43 GMT
So if that mental brittleness could be "gleaned" then surely nobody's gonna pay any sort of decent fee for him, do you agree? Were you not advocating signing Berahino previously? Yes, hence why I said I think we'll struggle to get rid of the fucker..... I was, I thought he'd be played on the right wing though as that's where he fits how Hughes plays. I think he's a brilliant striker tbh, so the predicament of Hughes not being able to get him working makes me wonder! Agree re Imbula, can't see anyone parting with decent wedge for him. Hughes seems to be your default scapegoat
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 28, 2017 12:45:42 GMT
Even Fergie didn't always get the best out of a number of high-price signings (no matter what it took). Sometimes, even excellent man-management skills cannot deliver what's not in the player Fergie and Man Yoo could get away with spunking 30m in a whim. Can we? We shouldn't let it put us off big money transfers but both have massive lessons attached to them. That said I desperately want Berahino to succeed here. Just out of curiosity, are there any players you don't want to succeed here? Strange thing to say about Berahino though, should go without saying that any fan would want any player to succeed...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2017 12:48:09 GMT
Fergie and Man Yoo could get away with spunking 30m in a whim. Can we? We shouldn't let it put us off big money transfers but both have massive lessons attached to them. That said I desperately want Berahino to succeed here. Just out of curiosity, are there any players you don't want to succeed here? Strange thing to say about Berahino though, should go without saying that any fan would want any player to succeed... It was in the context of this thread and Imbula who I think is past help here. I don't think he will ever succeed here. Berahino still has a chance. That was all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2017 12:49:23 GMT
Yes, hence why I said I think we'll struggle to get rid of the fucker..... I was, I thought he'd be played on the right wing though as that's where he fits how Hughes plays. I think he's a brilliant striker tbh, so the predicament of Hughes not being able to get him working makes me wonder! Agree re Imbula, can't see anyone parting with decent wedge for him. Hughes seems to be your default scapegoat He is the manager who signed him and then doesn't know how best to use him.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 28, 2017 12:50:16 GMT
I hope he gets a loan before Thursday. We cannot afford to have his toxic presence at the club any longer.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 28, 2017 12:53:15 GMT
Agree re Imbula, can't see anyone parting with decent wedge for him. Hughes seems to be your default scapegoat He is the manager who signed him and then doesn't know how best to use him. But you do?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2017 12:57:51 GMT
He is the manager who signed him and then doesn't know how best to use him. But you do? I haven't got a clue what we can do with him other than shove him on the right or up front with Crouch. Hence why I'm losing hope in him (Berahino).
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Post by hanibal7 on Aug 28, 2017 14:34:57 GMT
err ---- mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ----------- yep does not change my prior post and was precisely why I wanted Hughes gone in the summer ( Imbulla and Berahino) along with poor tactics and substitutions last season he stayed and so Ive got to be behind him again - for now I am sure Hughes will be eternally grateful to you.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2017 13:41:18 GMT
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Post by stokie1954 on Aug 29, 2017 13:49:23 GMT
Can you elaborate on the "massive lessons attached to them", I'm really interested in your perfect risk free transfer planning and execution strategy Imbula failed for the same reasons at Porto and is a mentally weak individual. I'm sure that could have been gleaned. Berahino just doesn't fit what we needed. We've needed a mobile target man since forever! It's not perfect or risk free but heck sign players you actually need. Yeah, like Wimmer. For fucks sake PC don't give this clueless Muppet any more money. Hasn't got a clue how to handle big fee players either tactically or with personal motivation.
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Post by gonk on Aug 29, 2017 13:53:37 GMT
The most interesting part of the article is at the bottom .Did Imbula turn Monaco down.Looks like we going to get stuck with him. Torino have rekindled their interest in Stoke City midfielder Giannelli Imbula, who has also been a target for Monaco. Mark Hughes made it clear at the end of last season that things have not worked out for Imbula and the midfielder's future at the club has been under scrutiny ever since. Torino showed early interest in the player last month and there was talk of the Italians tabling a loan bid with an option to buy, but the Serie A side moved on to other targets. However, with just a few days left in the summer window, Torino have reignited their interest in Imbula, according to the Gazzetta dello Sport. They are interested in snapping up the Frenchman before Thursday's deadline and are confident of agreeing a deal with Stoke. Monaco held talks with the player earlier in the window, but couldn't convince him to move to Ligue 1.
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Post by skelman on Aug 29, 2017 14:10:28 GMT
Just out of curiosity, are there any players you don't want to succeed here? Strange thing to say about Berahino though, should go without saying that any fan would want any player to succeed... It was in the context of this thread and Imbula who I think is past help here. I don't think he will ever succeed here. Berahino still has a chance. That was all. I agree, I think the Imbula situation has gone way past any chance of redemption now. I think Saido is still work in progress and he will benefit from the experience around him. A goal against Rochdale would have proved v little. Feel I've seen enough from him, goals excepting, to give him this season to see how the cards settle
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Post by rawli on Aug 29, 2017 14:11:23 GMT
The most interesting part of the article is at the bottom .Did Imbula turn Monaco down.Looks like we going to get stuck with him. Torino have rekindled their interest in Stoke City midfielder Giannelli Imbula, who has also been a target for Monaco. Mark Hughes made it clear at the end of last season that things have not worked out for Imbula and the midfielder's future at the club has been under scrutiny ever since. Torino showed early interest in the player last month and there was talk of the Italians tabling a loan bid with an option to buy, but the Serie A side moved on to other targets. However, with just a few days left in the summer window, Torino have reignited their interest in Imbula, according to the Gazzetta dello Sport. They are interested in snapping up the Frenchman before Thursday's deadline and are confident of agreeing a deal with Stoke. Monaco held talks with the player earlier in the window, but couldn't convince him to move to Ligue 1. He must be fucking mental if he turned Monaco down.
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Post by skelman on Aug 29, 2017 14:13:54 GMT
The most interesting part of the article is at the bottom .Did Imbula turn Monaco down.Looks like we going to get stuck with him. Torino have rekindled their interest in Stoke City midfielder Giannelli Imbula, who has also been a target for Monaco. Mark Hughes made it clear at the end of last season that things have not worked out for Imbula and the midfielder's future at the club has been under scrutiny ever since. Torino showed early interest in the player last month and there was talk of the Italians tabling a loan bid with an option to buy, but the Serie A side moved on to other targets. However, with just a few days left in the summer window, Torino have reignited their interest in Imbula, according to the Gazzetta dello Sport. They are interested in snapping up the Frenchman before Thursday's deadline and are confident of agreeing a deal with Stoke. Monaco held talks with the player earlier in the window, but couldn't convince him to move to Ligue 1. He must be fucking mental if he turned Monaco down. Perhaps felt he couldn't cut it there either!
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Post by rawli on Aug 29, 2017 14:17:05 GMT
He must be fucking mental if he turned Monaco down. Perhaps felt he couldn't cut it there either! I'd rather be in their reserves than ours. In the warm. Tax free. With people I could understand. As stupid as he is idle!
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Post by Gods on Aug 29, 2017 14:27:30 GMT
The most interesting part of the article is at the bottom .Did Imbula turn Monaco down.Looks like we going to get stuck with him. Torino have rekindled their interest in Stoke City midfielder Giannelli Imbula, who has also been a target for Monaco. Mark Hughes made it clear at the end of last season that things have not worked out for Imbula and the midfielder's future at the club has been under scrutiny ever since. Torino showed early interest in the player last month and there was talk of the Italians tabling a loan bid with an option to buy, but the Serie A side moved on to other targets. However, with just a few days left in the summer window, Torino have reignited their interest in Imbula, according to the Gazzetta dello Sport. They are interested in snapping up the Frenchman before Thursday's deadline and are confident of agreeing a deal with Stoke. Monaco held talks with the player earlier in the window, but couldn't convince him to move to Ligue 1. He must be fucking mental if he turned Monaco down. Maybe it was really that the pay package didn't match what he has here. Rather terrifyingly he is quite entitled to remain at Clayton Wood wearing out the carpets for the next 4 years if he chooses.
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