|
|
Post by stokiesteve on May 5, 2017 9:30:17 GMT
We finish 16th or around there, indifferent season to say the least.
Hughes won't be going in my honest opinion. He will be given money this summer (he will be trusted with money, he has been no better or worse than any other premier manager with cash given to him), new players, fresh start next season.
Those who have critisized him, would you be able to get behind him again? Or is your mind made up? Thoughts?
|
|
|
|
Post by alster on May 5, 2017 10:09:25 GMT
We finish 16th or around there, indifferent season to say the least. Hughes won't be going in my honest opinion. He will be given money this summer (he will be trusted with money, he has been no better or worse than any other premier manager with cash given to him), new players, fresh start next season. Those who have critisized him, would you be able to get behind him again? Or is your mind made up? Thoughts? Would definitely be able to get behind him absolutely nothing against the bloke just really fed up with the football he's produced the past 16 months. Don't even care too much about being 15/16th if he provides good exciting football. |
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on May 5, 2017 10:13:33 GMT
He has a lot to sort out, its up to him to put it right and change my mind about him, its going to be a difficult season for him, a lot more pressure.
|
|
|
|
Post by jimmygscfc on May 5, 2017 10:41:24 GMT
We finish 16th or around there, indifferent season to say the least. Hughes won't be going in my honest opinion. He will be given money this summer (he will be trusted with money, he has been no better or worse than any other premier manager with cash given to him), new players, fresh start next season. Those who have critisized him, would you be able to get behind him again? Or is your mind made up? Thoughts? Would definitely be able to get behind him absolutely nothing against the bloke just really fed up with the football he's produced the past 16 months. Don't even care too much about being 15/16th if he provides good exciting football. Finishing 15th or 16th doesn't suggest we'd be playing exciting football. I don't get this at all. Do we just want to play pretty football with the occasional win and lots of defeats going down fighting and just about survive? It's not about either or for me, it's about building on what we had, and that's not happened this season at all. Who's to say with a few tweaks in the squad we can't get our mojo back? I thought a while ago we'd probably finish 14th but it's so tight in and around us that anything could still happen. If we at least manage to avoid defeat in the last three games it'll go some way towards stopping the rot in our form at the moment. Hopefully we'll begin with a good performance on the South Coast tomorrow in front of yours truly  |
|
|
|
Post by alster on May 5, 2017 11:01:11 GMT
Would definitely be able to get behind him absolutely nothing against the bloke just really fed up with the football he's produced the past 16 months. Don't even care too much about being 15/16th if he provides good exciting football. Finishing 15th or 16th doesn't suggest we'd be playing exciting football. I don't get this at all. Do we just want to play pretty football with the occasional win and lots of defeats going down fighting and just about survive? It's not about either or for me, it's about building on what we had, and that's not happened this season at all. Who's to say with a few tweaks in the squad we can't get our mojo back? I thought a while ago we'd probably finish 14th but it's so tight in and around us that anything could still happen. If we at least manage to avoid defeat in the last three games it'll go some way towards stopping the rot in our form at the moment. Hopefully we'll begin with a good performance on the South Coast tomorrow in front of yours truly From a supporters perspective there is absolutely no difference in finishing anywhere between 8th and 17th. We could have accrued the same amount of points as we have this season in an entertaining fashion and there would not be anything like the sort of disillusionment that is enveloping the place. Good open entertaining football with plenty of goals would make mid table mediocrity far more palatable and as for pushing on it gives you a far better base to push on from, face facts we're never going to push on and challenge for a Europa slot if we continue to struggle to score goals. We're not scoring enough and are drawing too many games as a direct result of the over cautious approach that has been adopted. Its led to less points less goals and less excitement and is a recipe for discontent. |
|
|
|
Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on May 5, 2017 11:04:45 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by jimmygscfc on May 5, 2017 11:10:07 GMT
Finishing 15th or 16th doesn't suggest we'd be playing exciting football. I don't get this at all. Do we just want to play pretty football with the occasional win and lots of defeats going down fighting and just about survive? It's not about either or for me, it's about building on what we had, and that's not happened this season at all. Who's to say with a few tweaks in the squad we can't get our mojo back? I thought a while ago we'd probably finish 14th but it's so tight in and around us that anything could still happen. If we at least manage to avoid defeat in the last three games it'll go some way towards stopping the rot in our form at the moment. Hopefully we'll begin with a good performance on the South Coast tomorrow in front of yours truly From a supporters perspective there is absolutely no difference in finishing anywhere between 8th and 17th. We could have accrued the same amount of points as we have this season in an entertaining fashion and there would not be anything like the sort of disillusionment that is enveloping the place. Good open entertaining football with plenty of goals would make mid table mediocrity far more palatable and as for pushing on it gives you a far better base to push on from, face facts we're never going to push on and challenge for a Europa slot if we continue to struggle to score goals. We're not scoring enough and are drawing too many games as a direct result of the over cautious approach that has been adopted. Its led to less points less goals and less excitement and is a recipe for discontent. Footy doesn't work in that logical way though. A team usually ends up where it deserves to and not every team can entertain in every single game. What I'm saying is that we may still make progress from the poor position we find ourselves in with a few intelligent signings. Of course we need to score more goals...I've been rambling on at length about the need for another new striker seeing as we won't have Bony (sic) and probably Joselu (sic, sic) to select from. I'd be more than happy for one of Crouch and Walters to go in order to bring a frontline goalscorer in so that we don't place all of our eggs in the Saido basket. I still hope this happens. A defensive midfielder of note will help, as will a full season from Jack Butland. I'd still look to bring back Bojan to give us that spark he could still provide. These adjustments may see us making the advances we yearn for. I don't expect miracles but I do expect us to improve, even if it is to stand still in 9th! Not that I see that happening this season. |
|
|
|
Post by alster on May 5, 2017 11:14:52 GMT
I just don't get the raw statistical analysis of our performance. Whether what we have achieved in the last couple of seasons is on par or above the resources used. The manner in which it has been achieved has been poor value. Your analysis seems to ignore the fact that football is an entertainment product with the vast majority of its funds coming from people paying to be entertained whether that be at the ground or on tv. |
|
|
|
Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on May 5, 2017 11:27:41 GMT
I just don't get the raw statistical analysis of our performance. Whether what we have achieved in the last couple of seasons is on par or above the resources used. The manner in which it has been achieved has been poor value. Your analysis seems to ignore the fact that football is an entertainment product with the vast majority of its funds coming from people paying to be entertained whether that be at the ground or on tv. Yeah, it has been an underwhelming season, for sure. This season has been the dictionary definition of mediocre. We've generally gained our wins against teams below us and lost to teams above us. That doesn't really chime well with the blood and thunder expectations of the supporters. The point I'm making is it'd be madness to fire the bloke because we've performed averagely, when that's pretty much what you'd statistically expect us to do. |
|
|
|
Post by lordb on May 5, 2017 11:29:20 GMT
If the manager (whoever the manager is) turns something around they should get the support of all fans.
Otherwise whats the point of being a fan?
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 11:43:47 GMT
Finishing 15th or 16th would not be indifferent at all...it would at least be a monumental regression and indicate a serious issue needs to be resolved. Unless we get three points from all our remaining games, we're already facing a considerable drop that we need to do something about.
I would be very happy if Hughes stopped fucking about and had a clear plan; get a system to suit the players and most importantly - get the players to suit the system.
IF HE DOESN'T - however, then he would certainly have no reason to complain if he got the boot.
|
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on May 5, 2017 11:52:45 GMT
Finishing 15th or 16th doesn't suggest we'd be playing exciting football. I don't get this at all. Do we just want to play pretty football with the occasional win and lots of defeats going down fighting and just about survive? It's not about either or for me, it's about building on what we had, and that's not happened this season at all. Who's to say with a few tweaks in the squad we can't get our mojo back? I thought a while ago we'd probably finish 14th but it's so tight in and around us that anything could still happen. If we at least manage to avoid defeat in the last three games it'll go some way towards stopping the rot in our form at the moment. Hopefully we'll begin with a good performance on the South Coast tomorrow in front of yours truly . We could have accrued the same amount of points as we have this season in an entertaining fashion and there would not be anything like the sort of disillusionment that is enveloping the place. Good open entertaining football with plenty of goals would make mid table mediocrity far more palatable and as for pushing on it gives you a far better base to push on from, face facts we're never going to push on and challenge for a Europa slot if we continue to struggle to score goals. We're not scoring enough and are drawing too many games as a direct result of the over cautious approach that has been adopted. Its led to less points less goals and less excitement and is a recipe for discontent. Thanks for speaking on our behalf... However you're talking crap. |
|
|
|
Post by stokiejoe on May 5, 2017 12:05:08 GMT
I support Stoke City, happy to have opinions on managers and even owners, but whoever they are I will continue to support Stoke City.
Any league position, any league, great when we win, dissapointing when we lose, would be great to do well but I am in it for ever.
|
|
|
|
Post by prudhoe on May 5, 2017 12:12:48 GMT
I'm very unhappy at the way the last 18 months have gone at the club. What we've been watching out there on the pitch just isn't good enough. I blame Hughes for it and think we should change managers in the summer. If we don't then i will come back after the summer break in my usual pre season omptimistic mood. That belief this season will be different. If we get a few good signings in then i will be behind Hughes and wishing him to succeed this time around. However after this season i think i will be pretty short of patience with him. If we have yet another bad start to next season then it will be unforgivable this time around. If Hughes stays then i think it is absolutely vital we start next season well for him to win the fans over.
|
|
|
|
Post by GoBoks on May 5, 2017 12:19:57 GMT
Finishing 15th or 16th doesn't suggest we'd be playing exciting football. I don't get this at all. Do we just want to play pretty football with the occasional win and lots of defeats going down fighting and just about survive? It's not about either or for me, it's about building on what we had, and that's not happened this season at all. Who's to say with a few tweaks in the squad we can't get our mojo back? I thought a while ago we'd probably finish 14th but it's so tight in and around us that anything could still happen. If we at least manage to avoid defeat in the last three games it'll go some way towards stopping the rot in our form at the moment. Hopefully we'll begin with a good performance on the South Coast tomorrow in front of yours truly From a supporters perspective there is absolutely no difference in finishing anywhere between 8th and 17th. We could have accrued the same amount of points as we have this season in an entertaining fashion and there would not be anything like the sort of disillusionment that is enveloping the place. Good open entertaining football with plenty of goals would make mid table mediocrity far more palatable and as for pushing on it gives you a far better base to push on from, face facts we're never going to push on and challenge for a Europa slot if we continue to struggle to score goals. We're not scoring enough and are drawing too many games as a direct result of the over cautious approach that has been adopted. Its led to less points less goals and less excitement and is a recipe for discontent. Alster! If you truly believe your opening statement, I feel sorry for you. No difference between leading the pack and constantly looking to see if we can catch the 7th spot compared to constantly looking over your shoulder and trying to stay ahead of 17th? Time for you to take some happy pills. 😀 |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 12:33:58 GMT
He seemed to change his mind completely on our style , the failed experiment of Bony and the exile of Bojan seems to confirm that he ran scared of tiki taca and switched to lump it up front in a desperate effort to get to 40 points.
We all know there is real quality in the side and more to come from the likes of Sobhi , Shenton etc. This above all else is what worries me to see the Grandad's on the bench blocking out the youth is scary and stinks of championship mentality.
I want to see our side have a go in EVERY game and have enough quality to stay up, not rely on desperate 0-0 draws that fade the paint on the seats with nervous fans fidgeting =).
I like Mark Hughes but his failure to achieve a safe season with the squad we have and his constant regressive changes mean sadly it's time for a change.
If he stays and puts things right next season it still will not alter this dismal season and the threat of a repeat.
I support Stoke and England it's where I come from to chose otherwise is a denial of what we are. I'll never change but live in the hope that my teams will.
|
|
|
|
Post by alster on May 5, 2017 18:38:03 GMT
From a supporters perspective there is absolutely no difference in finishing anywhere between 8th and 17th. We could have accrued the same amount of points as we have this season in an entertaining fashion and there would not be anything like the sort of disillusionment that is enveloping the place. Good open entertaining football with plenty of goals would make mid table mediocrity far more palatable and as for pushing on it gives you a far better base to push on from, face facts we're never going to push on and challenge for a Europa slot if we continue to struggle to score goals. We're not scoring enough and are drawing too many games as a direct result of the over cautious approach that has been adopted. Its led to less points less goals and less excitement and is a recipe for discontent. Alster! If you truly believe your opening statement, I feel sorry for you. No difference between leading the pack and constantly looking to see if we can catch the 7th spot compared to constantly looking over your shoulder and trying to stay ahead of 17th? Time for you to take some happy pills. 😀 You're not getting it. If you play expansive entertaining football and develop an exciting team/squad with a cutting edge that scores goals more freely and you end up anywhere outside the relegation spots there's an excellent chance you will have had an enjoyable season from a spectators perspective. Now there are no guarantees but that sort of team/squad is far better equipped to push at the top end of our ambitions. Retreating back to old plodders and route one safety first football has proved that it may just about keep you safe but in a very boring manner that disillusions your supporters and severely limits your potential. I did post when Hughes first changed the team to become more solid that it was an understandable measure to arrest our dire early season form but if it continued it would severely limit our potential points haul. Conservative selection, tactics and game management remained for the entire season and my feelings at the time have proved well founded. There is more to ambition than stating you are aiming to finish 7th. As they say actions speak louder than words and everything I have seen on the pitch has screamed scared. I'm sorry if you can't see it but you have to take more risks to prosper in this league, this safety first approach is a blind alley for a club with ambition to do more than survive. |
|
|
|
Post by johnnysoul60 on May 5, 2017 18:53:08 GMT
Its not really about who the manager is , more about how the team plays , if we start next season playing the same slow turgid tripe then I will feel pissed off .
If he adds some energy and pace to his squad and gets them fit and we play with some aggression and tempo then all will be well , the fans will even start singing I'm sure
|
|
|
|
Post by iglugluk on May 5, 2017 18:56:37 GMT
Personally I still think Hughes is going to struggle to turn things around. The end of last season was very poor and this season has been a continuation of that form. Let's face it, this is not a major surprise as other clubs often follow a similar arc in their performance.
I no longer believe that Hughes can see how to fix the problems we are witnessing on the pitch. He's always been a manager who lacks a plan B...... witness his regular poor substitution decisions. That lack of flexibility appears to be manifest in all areas of his management now.
If he stays I definitely hope he can turn it around and I will support the team no matter what. I still think, though, that the owner's should be looking to replace Mark and his team.
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 19:09:19 GMT
A top 6 spot is realistically a step too far for us so I'm happy finishing anywhere above the relegation places to be honest. It's not our final place I'm unhappy with, it's our dull performances with little in front of goal that bothers me. With the money spent and the squad at our disposal I expect better performances than we are seeing, far better.
|
|
|
|
Post by alster on May 5, 2017 19:27:25 GMT
A top 6 spot is realistically a step too far for us so I'm happy finishing anywhere above the relegation places to be honest. It's not our final place I'm unhappy with, it's our dull performances with little in front of goal that bothers me. With the money spent and the squad at our disposal I expect better performances than we are seeing, far better. In a nutshell. |
|
|
|
Post by cheeesfreeex on May 5, 2017 19:34:02 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by iglugluk on May 5, 2017 21:39:12 GMT
The lemming film is known to be faked by its' director, however concerns about many aspects of club management are viable debates that deserve discussion in my opinion.
|
|
|
|
Post by cheeesfreeex on May 5, 2017 21:43:22 GMT
The lemming film is known to be faked by its' director, however concerns about many aspects of club management are viable debates that deserve discussion in my opinion. Yeah Ig it's fake like a lot of the over reaction on here. I just can't buy into all the doom, constant angle grinding and chucking of toys. That's all. It's largely gone beyond the point of discussion mate. |
|
|
|
Post by Glory Hunter on May 5, 2017 21:43:57 GMT
Some sensible consideration of our position is fine. The scaremongering and General rubbish on here is not.
|
|
|
|
Post by march4 on May 5, 2017 21:45:01 GMT
The end of last season was a period of stagnation.
This season has seen a decline increasing in pace.
|
|
|
|
Post by iglugluk on May 5, 2017 21:47:11 GMT
Polarisation of opinions is a problem....on both sides of the debate.
|
|
|
|
Post by cheeesfreeex on May 5, 2017 23:15:18 GMT
Polarisation of opinions is a problem....on both sides of the debate. "on both sides of the debate"? That's polarisation in a nutshell soft lad. |
|
|
|
Post by GrahamHyde on May 5, 2017 23:16:19 GMT
We finish 16th or around there, indifferent season to say the least. Hughes won't be going in my honest opinion. He will be given money this summer (he will be trusted with money, he has been no better or worse than any other premier manager with cash given to him), new players, fresh start next season. Those who have critisized him, would you be able to get behind him again? Or is your mind made up? Thoughts? Would definitely be able to get behind him absolutely nothing against the bloke just really fed up with the football he's produced the past 16 months. Don't even care too much about being 15/16th if he provides good exciting football. Are the two mutually exclusive? |
|
|
|
Post by Gods on May 5, 2017 23:28:30 GMT
Finishing 15th or 16th doesn't suggest we'd be playing exciting football. I don't get this at all. Do we just want to play pretty football with the occasional win and lots of defeats going down fighting and just about survive? It's not about either or for me, it's about building on what we had, and that's not happened this season at all. Who's to say with a few tweaks in the squad we can't get our mojo back? I thought a while ago we'd probably finish 14th but it's so tight in and around us that anything could still happen. If we at least manage to avoid defeat in the last three games it'll go some way towards stopping the rot in our form at the moment. Hopefully we'll begin with a good performance on the South Coast tomorrow in front of yours truly We could have accrued the same amount of points as we have this season in an entertaining fashion and there would not be anything like the sort of disillusionment that is enveloping the place. Good open entertaining football with plenty of goals would make mid table mediocrity far more palatable and as for pushing on it gives you a far better base to push on from, face facts we're never going to push on and challenge for a Europa slot if we continue to struggle to score goals. We're not scoring enough and are drawing too many games as a direct result of the over cautious approach that has been adopted. Its led to less points less goals and less excitement and is a recipe for discontent. You're near enough saying results don't matter! Its sport not a trip to the theatre for heavens sake. Of course it matters where we finish, its everything in fact. I don't know anyone else who thinks like this. If it doesn't matter how we do then we may as well all go home  |
|
