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Post by liquidlen on May 5, 2017 6:24:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 6:30:41 GMT
Labour did badly as well, just shows how easy the General Election will be, Labour under Corbynski are just completely in the wilderness, which is not good for anyone, as every Government, whether it is Tory, Labour, Monster Raving Looney, needs a strong tangiable opposition to keep it in check.
History has shown our worst days politically have been when the Government of the day can ride roughshod over Parliament and do what the hell they want, completely unchecked.
Even under Maggie the Tories made some bad policies, cuz they had no opposition, and the idiot Bliar did the same.
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Post by liquidlen on May 5, 2017 6:34:52 GMT
The real issue is that the UKIP ideology has won, even if the vehicle that it rode in on has outlived its usefulness. The Tories have very much absorbed UKIP in the same way The Tea Party imposed its doctrines into the Republicans in the States. It's scary.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 5, 2017 6:39:59 GMT
The real issue is that the UKIP ideology has won, even if the vehicle that it rode in on has outlived its usefulness. The Tories have very much absorbed UKIP in the same way The Tea Party imposed its doctrines into the Republicans in the States. It's scary. There's some truth in that, but there are many (possibly a majority) former UKIP supporters that had almost nothing in common with its policies other than wanting to get out of Europe. |
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Post by liquidlen on May 5, 2017 6:42:22 GMT
Labour did badly as well, just shows how easy the General Election will be, Labour under Corbynski are just completely in the wilderness, which is not good for anyone, as every Government, whether it is Tory, Labour, Monster Raving Looney, needs a strong tangiable opposition to keep it in check. History has shown our worst days politically have been when the Government of the day can ride roughshod over Parliament and do what the hell they want, completely unchecked. Even under Maggie the Tories made some bad policies, cuz they had no opposition, and the idiot Bliar did the same. But Corbyn is putting forward some solid ideas and policies. He's saying everything he should. Problem is Shanghai, nobody wants what Jeremy is offering because he has already been annihilated by a complicit media, venomous personal attacks and outright lies about his past and his character. The same happened to Ed Miliband and it will be the same for whoever comes next. So you're never going to get strong opposition under the current media stranglehold that Tory HQ have. They'll shout anyone down and are prepared to say anything, however dishonest, to achieve this. We simply have to wait for the younger generation to become the majority because figures suggest that Labour is streets ahead in the under 40 populous and don't swallow the BS as easily as the older folk who are sadly out of touch. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 5, 2017 6:50:54 GMT
Yet more evidence of blatant anti Corbyn bias by the voters  |
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Post by salopstick on May 5, 2017 6:52:12 GMT
Labour did badly as well, just shows how easy the General Election will be, Labour under Corbynski are just completely in the wilderness, which is not good for anyone, as every Government, whether it is Tory, Labour, Monster Raving Looney, needs a strong tangiable opposition to keep it in check. History has shown our worst days politically have been when the Government of the day can ride roughshod over Parliament and do what the hell they want, completely unchecked. Even under Maggie the Tories made some bad policies, cuz they had no opposition, and the idiot Bliar did the same. But Corbyn is putting forward some solid ideas and policies. He's saying everything he should. Problem is Shanghai, nobody wants what Jeremy is offering because he has already been annihilated by a complicit media, venomous personal attacks and outright lies about his past and his character. The same happened to Ed Miliband and it will be the same for whoever comes next. So you're never going to get strong opposition under the current media stranglehold that Tory HQ have. They'll shout anyone down and are prepared to say anything, however dishonest, to achieve this. We simply have to wait for the younger generation to become the majority because figures suggest that Labour is streets ahead in the under 40 populous and don't swallow the BS as easily as the older folk who are sadly out of touch. Only the blind cannot see. You keep blaming the media conveniently forgetting his own MPs think he is useless. If his MPs have no faith you can't expect the media to spin a different narrative. He cannot undo nor has he attempted to undo his extremely left and terrorist loving past. The public don't need the media to remember this. Labour picked the wrong man How can you trust the message If you can't tell trust the man |
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Post by liquidlen on May 5, 2017 6:52:53 GMT
Yet more evidence of blatant anti Corbyn bias by the voters I would suggest it was more anti Lord Sir Dr Paul Nuttalls PhD OBE |
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Post by liquidlen on May 5, 2017 6:57:22 GMT
But Corbyn is putting forward some solid ideas and policies. He's saying everything he should. Problem is Shanghai, nobody wants what Jeremy is offering because he has already been annihilated by a complicit media, venomous personal attacks and outright lies about his past and his character. The same happened to Ed Miliband and it will be the same for whoever comes next. So you're never going to get strong opposition under the current media stranglehold that Tory HQ have. They'll shout anyone down and are prepared to say anything, however dishonest, to achieve this. We simply have to wait for the younger generation to become the majority because figures suggest that Labour is streets ahead in the under 40 populous and don't swallow the BS as easily as the older folk who are sadly out of touch. Only the blind cannot see. You keep blaming the media conveniently forgetting his own MPs think he is useless. If his MPs have no faith you can't expect the media to spin a different narrative. He cannot undo nor has he attempted to undivided his extremely left and terrorists living past. The public don't need the media to remember this. Labour picked the wrong man How can you trust the message If you can't tell trust the man Jeremy was always going to face a battle with the PLP because of where he sits politically within Labour. And how is Jeremy a terrorist, or a terrorist sympathiser? By your method of analysis you'd have to accuse Tony Blair of being the same. Nah, it just suits your dimbulb agenda which is basically undermine, question the character, spin the lies. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 5, 2017 6:59:40 GMT
But Corbyn is putting forward some solid ideas and policies. He's saying everything he should. Problem is Shanghai, nobody wants what Jeremy is offering because he has already been annihilated by a complicit media, venomous personal attacks and outright lies about his past and his character. The same happened to Ed Miliband and it will be the same for whoever comes next. So you're never going to get strong opposition under the current media stranglehold that Tory HQ have. They'll shout anyone down and are prepared to say anything, however dishonest, to achieve this. We simply have to wait for the younger generation to become the majority because figures suggest that Labour is streets ahead in the under 40 populous and don't swallow the BS as easily as the older folk who are sadly out of touch. Only the blind cannot see. You keep blaming the media conveniently forgetting his own MPs think he is useless. If his MPs have no faith you can't expect the media to spin a different narrative. He cannot undo nor has he attempted to undo his extremely left and terrorist loving past. The public don't need the media to remember this. Labour picked the wrong man How can you trust the message If you can't tell trust the man To quote someone else it should also lay to rest the myth Corbyn and McDonnell are men of principle leading Labour to oblivion with their arrogance and vanity. |
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Post by liquidlen on May 5, 2017 7:03:37 GMT
Only the blind cannot see. You keep blaming the media conveniently forgetting his own MPs think he is useless. If his MPs have no faith you can't expect the media to spin a different narrative. He cannot undo nor has he attempted to undo his extremely left and terrorist loving past. The public don't need the media to remember this. Labour picked the wrong man How can you trust the message If you can't tell trust the man To quote someone else it should also lay to rest the myth Corbyn and McDonnell are men of principle leading Labour to oblivion with their arrogance and vanity. The Conservatives have taken UKIP's ideological and rhetorical ground, so why would people still vote for them? Why would the UKIPs support an nasty, morally bankrupt, bombastic right-wing nationalist party with no chance of winning when they can now support an nasty, morally bankrupt, bombastic right-wing nationalist party that's almost guaranteed to win? |
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Post by bathstoke on May 5, 2017 7:10:55 GMT
What, You mean we followed the rabbit down the hole, only for it to disappear & all that we ended up with was the evil Chicken Queen & the Mad Hatter. Now where is that magic potion 🐰🐓🎩🌈
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Post by liquidlen on May 5, 2017 7:14:09 GMT
What, You mean we followed the rabbit down the hole, only for it to disappear & all that we ended up with was the evil Chicken Queen & the Mad Hatter. Now where is that magic potion 🐰🐓🎩🌈 No magic potion. More like a bowl of dogshit. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 5, 2017 7:18:44 GMT
To quote someone else it should also lay to rest the myth Corbyn and McDonnell are men of principle leading Labour to oblivion with their arrogance and vanity. The Conservatives have taken UKIP's ideological and rhetorical ground, so why would people still vote for them? Why would the UKIPs support an nasty, morally bankrupt, bombastic right-wing nationalist party with no chance of winning when they can now support an nasty, morally bankrupt, bombastic right-wing nationalist party that's almost guaranteed to win? There's plenty of evidence of direct Labour to Conservative switching, Labour are fucked for a generation the loons won't give up control they'll just change the messenger. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 7:19:34 GMT
We simply have to wait for the younger generation to become the majority because figures suggest that Labour is streets ahead in the under 40 populous and don't swallow the BS as easily as the older folk who are sadly out of touch. I think you're in for a shock. People my age (late 20s) tend to be quite left-wing but the sub-generation below, basically kids born around or after the millennium, are becoming increasingly conservative and right-wing. Kids are attracted to what's cool, at some points in history it's cool to be left but right now the far-left are as faggoty as can be whereas the right are coming across (rightly or wrongly) as the cool option. |
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Post by liquidlen on May 5, 2017 7:20:00 GMT
The Conservatives have taken UKIP's ideological and rhetorical ground, so why would people still vote for them? Why would the UKIPs support an nasty, morally bankrupt, bombastic right-wing nationalist party with no chance of winning when they can now support an nasty, morally bankrupt, bombastic right-wing nationalist party that's almost guaranteed to win? There's plenty of evidence of direct Labour to Conservative switching, Labour are fucked for a generation the loons won't give up control they'll just change the messenger. You may well be correct FYD, but does that make it right? |
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Post by liquidlen on May 5, 2017 7:21:28 GMT
We simply have to wait for the younger generation to become the majority because figures suggest that Labour is streets ahead in the under 40 populous and don't swallow the BS as easily as the older folk who are sadly out of touch. I think you're in for a shock. People my age (late 20s) tend to be quite left-wing but the sub-generation below, basically kids born around or after the millennium, are becoming increasingly conservative and right-wing. Kids are attracted to what's cool, at some points in history it's cool to be left but right now the far-left are as faggoty as can be whereas the right are coming across (rightly or wrongly) as the cool option. I'm sure in some cases you're right. However, a recent YouGOV survey described it as I mentioned above. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 5, 2017 7:24:24 GMT
There's plenty of evidence of direct Labour to Conservative switching, Labour are fucked for a generation the loons won't give up control they'll just change the messenger. You may well be correct FYD, but does that make it right? It's called democracy people choose who they want to govern, because of his own desire to beat his brother Ed Miliband has left the Labour party with a system that guarantees the 3 pounder pick an unelectable leader and will continue to do so. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 5, 2017 7:24:51 GMT
UKIP took a battering 'cos their job was done, they got us out of Europe. They should have disbanded straight afterwards.
Labour took a battering 'cos they're completely out-of-touch with the real world & the common man on the street. Labour lost millions of voters to UKIP when Labour completely ignored the issues they raised. Now that UKIP have gone all these millions of voters should be flooding back to a Labour party that learnt it's lesson. Instead Labour have pig-headedly told those millions of voters they're wrong again, and have instead lurched even further to the left, thus losing those millions of voters for years to come... Some of them even doing the unthinkable & voting Tory instead!
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Post by britsabroad on May 5, 2017 7:27:23 GMT
Labour did badly as well, just shows how easy the General Election will be, Labour under Corbynski are just completely in the wilderness, which is not good for anyone, as every Government, whether it is Tory, Labour, Monster Raving Looney, needs a strong tangiable opposition to keep it in check. History has shown our worst days politically have been when the Government of the day can ride roughshod over Parliament and do what the hell they want, completely unchecked. Even under Maggie the Tories made some bad policies, cuz they had no opposition, and the idiot Bliar did the same. But Corbyn is putting forward some solid ideas and policies. He's saying everything he should. Problem is Shanghai, nobody wants what Jeremy is offering because he has already been annihilated by a complicit media...... He could offer everyone in the UK a salary match. Sounds like a great policy, but where's the money coming from? Thankfully through the Blair years the populace has become wise to baseless or ill thought out promises. Everyone who is old enough to understand what Blair did can see straight through Corbyn. |
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Post by bathstoke on May 5, 2017 7:35:14 GMT
But Corbyn is putting forward some solid ideas and policies. He's saying everything he should. Problem is Shanghai, nobody wants what Jeremy is offering because he has already been annihilated by a complicit media...... He could offer everyone in the UK a salary match. Sounds like a great policy, but where's the money coming from? Thankfully through the Blair years the populace has become wise to baseless or ill thought out promises.. The public have swallowed the hook, line & sinker since May 2010 & are continuing to do so. That's why we are where we are. You need to forget the rosey days of the past & look at the $#!t storm we're walking into with open arms. It'll make the Blair years look like a distant memory from your childhood, which it probably is... |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 7:35:41 GMT
But Corbyn is putting forward some solid ideas and policies. He's saying everything he should. Problem is Shanghai, nobody wants what Jeremy is offering because he has already been annihilated by a complicit media, venomous personal attacks and outright lies about his past and his character. The same happened to Ed Miliband and it will be the same for whoever comes next. So you're never going to get strong opposition under the current media stranglehold that Tory HQ have. They'll shout anyone down and are prepared to say anything, however dishonest, to achieve this. We simply have to wait for the younger generation to become the majority because figures suggest that Labour is streets ahead in the under 40 populous and don't swallow the BS as easily as the older folk who are sadly out of touch. Only the blind cannot see. You keep blaming the media conveniently forgetting his own MPs think he is useless. If his MPs have no faith you can't expect the media to spin a different narrative. He cannot undo nor has he attempted to undo his extremely left and terrorist loving past. The public don't need the media to remember this. Labour picked the wrong man How can you trust the message If you can't tell trust the man It depends on how you look at things and which MPs think he is useless. There's a strong case for them being the out of touch, useless ones. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 7:42:22 GMT
We simply have to wait for the younger generation to become the majority because figures suggest that Labour is streets ahead in the under 40 populous and don't swallow the BS as easily as the older folk who are sadly out of touch. I think you're in for a shock. People my age (late 20s) tend to be quite left-wing but the sub-generation below, basically kids born around or after the millennium, are becoming increasingly conservative and right-wing. Kids are attracted to what's cool, at some points in history it's cool to be left but right now the far-left are as faggoty as can be whereas the right are coming across (rightly or wrongly) as the cool option. I couldn't disagree more mate. Don't confuse middle-class, tree-hugging Liberal apologists for the genuinely moderate left. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 5, 2017 7:42:46 GMT
At least it wasn't the wipe out predicted is the best spin Labour can come out with.....
If you don't like Corbyn fuck off and join / vote for the Tories was the cry from corbynites looks like the electorate have said ok then.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 7:46:05 GMT
But Corbyn is putting forward some solid ideas and policies. He's saying everything he should. Problem is Shanghai, nobody wants what Jeremy is offering because he has already been annihilated by a complicit media...... He could offer everyone in the UK a salary match. Sounds like a great policy, but where's the money coming from? Thankfully through the Blair years the populace has become wise to baseless or ill thought out promises. Everyone who is old enough to understand what Blair did can see straight through Corbyn. I must have said this a million times on this board but Blair's brand of neo-liberalism was closer to Tory policy. It's such a terrible argument and Blair is the real reason the Labour party is broken. |
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Post by liquidlen on May 5, 2017 7:47:49 GMT
He could offer everyone in the UK a salary match. Sounds like a great policy, but where's the money coming from? Thankfully through the Blair years the populace has become wise to baseless or ill thought out promises. Everyone who is old enough to understand what Blair did can see straight through Corbyn. I must have said this a million times on this board but Blair's brand of neo-liberalism was closer to Tory policy. It's such a terrible argument and Blair is the real reason the Labour party is broken. It's very true. Labour are facing an existential battle right now. |
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Post by salopstick on May 5, 2017 7:47:50 GMT
Only the blind cannot see. You keep blaming the media conveniently forgetting his own MPs think he is useless. If his MPs have no faith you can't expect the media to spin a different narrative. He cannot undo nor has he attempted to undo his extremely left and terrorist loving past. The public don't need the media to remember this. Labour picked the wrong man How can you trust the message If you can't tell trust the man It depends on how you look at things and which MPs think he is useless. There's a strong case for them being the out of touch, useless ones. I raise you Diane Abbot |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 5, 2017 8:03:12 GMT
At least it wasn't the wipe out predicted is the best spin Labour can come out with..... If you don't like Corbyn fuck off and join / vote for the Tories was the cry from corbynites looks like the electorate have said ok then. The Welsh council areas Chicken May visited the Tories failed to win! No wonder Clucker is hiding herself away in the general election!  |
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Post by followyoudown on May 5, 2017 8:12:55 GMT
At least it wasn't the wipe out predicted is the best spin Labour can come out with..... If you don't like Corbyn fuck off and join / vote for the Tories was the cry from corbynites looks like the electorate have said ok then. The Welsh council areas Chicken May visited the Tories failed to win! No wonder Clucker is hiding herself away in the general election! The Harlow council seats where Jezza visited they LOST No wonder they're keeping him away from marginal seats. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 8:18:05 GMT
I think you're in for a shock. People my age (late 20s) tend to be quite left-wing but the sub-generation below, basically kids born around or after the millennium, are becoming increasingly conservative and right-wing. Kids are attracted to what's cool, at some points in history it's cool to be left but right now the far-left are as faggoty as can be whereas the right are coming across (rightly or wrongly) as the cool option. I couldn't disagree more mate. Don't confuse middle-class, tree-hugging Liberal apologists for the genuinely moderate left. I don't Humphrey. I like and respect many lefties. My use of "far-left" in the post quoted was a deliberate differentiation, just as right and far-right are very different things. I do believe that the very young are more conservative and right-wing than than those a decade older though, and I do think this can be directly attributed to the gross actions and displays of the far-left in recent years. Clearly these people don't represent someone like you, I know that, but their words and actions will harm the entire left regardless. |
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