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Post by werrington on May 3, 2017 12:26:14 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 3, 2017 12:28:56 GMT
not sure either
but that's why you trial them
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 12:33:52 GMT
"The hypothesis is that the player taking the second kick in the pair is under greater mental pressure," a UEFA statement read.
"If the opposition's first penalty in the pair has been successful, a miss by the second penalty-taker in the pair could mean the immediate loss of a match for his team, especially from the fourth pair of penalties onwards."
So isn't there still just a shit load of pressure on whichever pair goes last?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 12:34:45 GMT
It is called the ABBA system.
I bet Fernando Alonso, and Mamma(Mia)Sidibe like it.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 3, 2017 12:36:17 GMT
bloody hell...given the struggles the commentators currently have trying to explain permutations of up coming kicks, they'll have a fucking nightmare with this one
"So the next penalty could do it, unless the second of the pair misses in which case both of the other team's kickers will need to score to go through but if one misses and the other scores then we're back to level...or something. Such tension in the air as he goes up to take a kick that no-one has a clue if it will have any bearing or not"
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2017 12:40:23 GMT
I wish they'd leave shit alone.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 3, 2017 12:52:08 GMT
"Known as ABBA, the system is designed to prevent the team that goes second from being put at the psychological disadvantage of always having to play catch-up."
This theory goes straight out the window when the team going first don't score their first penalty.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 13:02:01 GMT
Mama Mia here we go again.
I like golden goal system stops teams setting up for a draw and playing for penalties.
I don't give a shit if it takes all night they earn enough .
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 3, 2017 13:04:29 GMT
I think it's a good idea.
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Post by PotterLog on May 3, 2017 14:31:24 GMT
I'm usually quite conservative when it comes to proposed rule changes but this is an absolute no-brainer. Any shoot-out/tie-break system should be in this format, in any sport, because it allows each competitor or team to pull ahead alternately and not have one always playing catch-up. I've always said it was a major mistake not designing it that way in the first place, and the stats about how often the first takers win shoot-outs bear it out.
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Post by duckling on May 3, 2017 14:42:45 GMT
This would never happen, but I'd like to see the penalty spot moved back. Right now it's mostly luck in guessing the right way.
If you move it back, it becomes a skill contest.
Another option that I find superior to the current spot kick is to start the penalty takers at the halfway line. They then have to find a way to get it in the goal within a set number of seconds.
Hockey penalties are done that way.
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Post by PotterLog on May 3, 2017 14:43:58 GMT
"The hypothesis is that the player taking the second kick in the pair is under greater mental pressure," a UEFA statement read. "If the opposition's first penalty in the pair has been successful, a miss by the second penalty-taker in the pair could mean the immediate loss of a match for his team, especially from the fourth pair of penalties onwards." So isn't there still just a shit load of pressure on whichever pair goes last? It's not very well worded, I think what they're trying to say is that under the current system the "second penalty taker" (who is under more pressure) always comes from the same team. Whereas with ABBA it alternates. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 15:51:43 GMT
They really are just testing out new changes for fun in football aren't they?
Must be something in the air at FIFA, there's about a hundred new rules they're either trialling or bringing in.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 16:04:57 GMT
"The hypothesis is that the player taking the second kick in the pair is under greater mental pressure," a UEFA statement read. "If the opposition's first penalty in the pair has been successful, a miss by the second penalty-taker in the pair could mean the immediate loss of a match for his team, especially from the fourth pair of penalties onwards." So isn't there still just a shit load of pressure on whichever pair goes last? It's not very well worded, I think what they're trying to say is that under the current system the "second penalty taker" (who is under more pressure) always comes from the same team. Whereas with ABBA it alternates. Ahhh I think I get it now! Chalk that one down to fuck all sleep last night  |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 18:21:24 GMT
I like it. It's definitely fairer.
I'm all for keeping things simple, but I think once peole see it in operation it'll be as easy to follow as the current set up.
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Post by leicspotter on May 3, 2017 18:48:23 GMT
They should also scrap the extra time in 2 leg ties...why should the home side get the benefit of 30 minutes more on their own turf? 90 mins home and away, then straight to penalties...followed by another shoot out at the other ground...just to be fair like  |
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on May 3, 2017 20:23:29 GMT
This is about as stupid an idea as those toilets that flush air through them to get rid of poo.
I was always going to prefer the standard waterloo.
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Post by mermaidsal on May 3, 2017 20:27:54 GMT
If Stoke got two goes while everyone else still had one that might even things up a bit...
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Post by PB1863 on May 3, 2017 20:48:52 GMT
Mama Mia here we go again. I like golden goal system stops teams setting up for a draw and playing for penalties. I don't give a shit if it takes all night they earn enough . It's the name of the game. In a rich mans world |
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Post by RF10 on May 3, 2017 22:10:59 GMT
Regardless of the rule change, the winner takes it all.
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Post by humbersidepotter on May 4, 2017 13:12:19 GMT
This would never happen, but I'd like to see the penalty spot moved back. Right now it's mostly luck in guessing the right way. If you move it back, it becomes a skill contest. Another option that I find superior to the current spot kick is to start the penalty takers at the halfway line. They then have to find a way to get it in the goal within a set number of seconds. Hockey penalties are done that way. Didn't that used to do this in the States? Dribbling from the half way line then having a one on one kind of scenario with the keeper |
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2017 13:26:52 GMT
This would never happen, but I'd like to see the penalty spot moved back. Right now it's mostly luck in guessing the right way. If you move it back, it becomes a skill contest. Another option that I find superior to the current spot kick is to start the penalty takers at the halfway line. They then have to find a way to get it in the goal within a set number of seconds. Hockey penalties are done that way. Didn't that used to do this in the States? Dribbling from the half way line then having a one on one kind of scenario with the keeper Yes NASL did back in the 70's. Didn't catch on, works well in Hockey. |
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Post by essexstokey on May 4, 2017 14:29:01 GMT
Does this mean that Sweden will be good at it, |
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Post by samba :) on May 4, 2017 14:50:12 GMT
One team one end and one team the other take them at the same time. Then there is no advantage or dissadvantage other than for the crowd
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Post by ohbottom on May 4, 2017 15:10:24 GMT
Each team takes 5 penalties behind closed doors so neither sees how many the other scores. So the most creative at cheating / bribing officials wins |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 15:31:46 GMT
Isn't who takes the penalties first decided by coin toss anyway? so its an even chance?
I would say the 60% figure they quote really isn't high enough to start changing things anyway. If you're going to go that way then get rid of pens altogether.
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Post by PotterLog on May 17, 2017 20:37:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 20:46:12 GMT
Mama Mia here we go again. I like golden goal system stops teams setting up for a draw and playing for penalties. I don't give a shit if it takes all night they earn enough . It's the name of the game. In a rich mans world Torres can't wait to take one, Fernando!! |
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Post by StoKeith on May 17, 2017 20:49:08 GMT
"Video not available in your country." |
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Post by PotterLog on May 17, 2017 21:01:33 GMT
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