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Post by liquidlen on Apr 29, 2017 22:16:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 22:26:22 GMT
Don't know about the policies .....but the promises they are making put them miles ahead ....with the promise of yet more promises to come .
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 30, 2017 6:09:45 GMT
Don't know about the policies .....but the promises they are making put them miles ahead ....with the promise of yet more promises to come . So which Tory policies do you admire? Or are you going to play the "Sorry, i'm off for my lunch" or "Sorry, I don't do politics" cards again?  |
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 30, 2017 8:47:32 GMT
Don't know about the policies .....but the promises they are making put them miles ahead ....with the promise of yet more promises to come . So which Tory policies do you admire? Or are you going to play the "Sorry, i'm off for my lunch" or "Sorry, I don't do politics" cards again? No he's going to play the I haven't got an idea because the Tories have no policies and just result to personal attacks policy |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 30, 2017 9:30:35 GMT
Didn't they bring them in? |
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 30, 2017 9:41:58 GMT
Didn't they bring them in? I'm not sure. The problem is how they have been increasingly abused by employers over the last few years. The idea of ZHC's (wherever it came from) was about flexibility for the retired, students etc, but companies like Sports Direct have totally abused them to the point where 90% of the workforce are employed under them. It also means that the companies that hire under ZHC staff don't have to provide company pensions. It's been abused. Plain and simple. |
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 30, 2017 9:59:21 GMT
I know Wikipedia is not the best source for information but this makes a good read and explains both legal and also who uses them and also go's into the abuse of the system by employers. Looks like the employers were the driving force behind the contracts and not political parties (but you can guess which way they vote lol) link |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 30, 2017 10:06:16 GMT
Don't know about the policies .....but the promises they are making put them miles ahead ....with the promise of yet more promises to come . They've promised to demolish your sea wall..to drown you Tory buggers! Haha! Haha!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 10:22:28 GMT
Labour just been asked to show costing for their manifesto .....the reply........"you'll have to be patient, that will come later "  Same old labour eh  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 10:25:10 GMT
Don't know about the policies .....but the promises they are making put them miles ahead ....with the promise of yet more promises to come . They've promised to demolish your sea wall..to drown you Tory buggers! Haha! Haha! The eu have given us some of our money back to spend on our Sea defences Bloody good of them to give us enough back to save us from drowning  |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 30, 2017 10:56:07 GMT
Didn't they bring them in? they started during bliars term in office . I think mainly for agricultural purposes. Now there are almost a million folks on them and it grew 20% last year , I despise them |
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 30, 2017 11:03:18 GMT
Labour just been asked to show costing for their manifesto .....the reply........"you'll have to be patient, that will come later " Same old labour eh At least Labour have a manifesto... |
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 30, 2017 11:21:52 GMT
Labour just been asked to show costing for their manifesto .....the reply........"you'll have to be patient, that will come later " Same old labour eh At least Labour have a manifesto... and the one policy that the Tories have revealed is er you've guessed it a Labour one from the last election that they heavely criticised (on gas bills) |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 30, 2017 17:30:52 GMT
They need reviewing, not outlawing; in theory they offer that flexibility that you've already mentioned, if they're being abused then it's worth fixing them rather than just banning them completely.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 30, 2017 17:38:43 GMT
They need reviewing, not outlawing; in theory they offer that flexibility that you've already mentioned, if they're being abused then it's worth fixing them rather than just banning them completely. What flexibility ? No holiday pay , no guaranteed hours , no sick or maternity pay no job security . Can't get mortgage or credit or even a rent agreement. It undermines normal family life expectations and I think they should be outlawed |
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 30, 2017 17:41:54 GMT
They need reviewing, not outlawing; in theory they offer that flexibility that you've already mentioned, if they're being abused then it's worth fixing them rather than just banning them completely. What flexibility ? No holiday pay , no guaranteed hours , no sick or maternity pay no job security . Can't get mortgage or credit or even a rent agreement. It undermines normal family life expectations and I think they should be outlawed And no workplace pension. |
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 30, 2017 18:20:27 GMT
Didn't they bring them in? I'm not sure. The problem is how they have been increasingly abused by employers over the last few years. The idea of ZHC's (wherever it came from) was about flexibility for the retired, students etc, but companies like Sports Direct have totally abused them to the point where 90% of the workforce are employed under them. It also means that the companies that hire under ZHC staff don't have to provide company pensions. It's been abused. Plain and simple. I know a few people on ZHC through choice because it helps fund them through further education and makes things more flexible for child care issues. They are are also traditional Labour voters, it will be interesting to get their take on this proposal  |
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 30, 2017 18:30:12 GMT
I'm not sure. The problem is how they have been increasingly abused by employers over the last few years. The idea of ZHC's (wherever it came from) was about flexibility for the retired, students etc, but companies like Sports Direct have totally abused them to the point where 90% of the workforce are employed under them. It also means that the companies that hire under ZHC staff don't have to provide company pensions. It's been abused. Plain and simple. I know a few people on ZHC through choice because it helps fund them through further education and makes things more flexible for child care issues. They are are also traditional Labour voters, it will be interesting to get their take on this proposal I think in a few cases there is a use. However, when Mike Ashley has over 90% of his workforce on them it becomes and abuse. Wouldn't it be better if your friends could work the hours they wanted with real job security, a pension, holiday pay etc.? |
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 30, 2017 18:42:55 GMT
I know a few people on ZHC through choice because it helps fund them through further education and makes things more flexible for child care issues. They are are also traditional Labour voters, it will be interesting to get their take on this proposal I think in a few cases there is a use. However, when Mike Ashley has over 90% of his workforce on them it becomes and abuse. Wouldn't it be better if your friends could work the hours they wanted with real job security, a pension, holiday pay etc.? I quite agree, I personally think they are wrong. However, two people in particular that I know really enjoy the flexibility that the zero hours provide. They both work the weekend shifts (which the contracted staff don't want), one of them can continue with his degree at Keele and the other earns enough that she can put the money towards holidays for her family but is at home in the week for the kids. A promise to 'outlaw zero hours contracts' is more likely to harm traditional Labour voters than Tory voters in my opinion. |
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 30, 2017 18:58:19 GMT
I think in a few cases there is a use. However, when Mike Ashley has over 90% of his workforce on them it becomes and abuse. Wouldn't it be better if your friends could work the hours they wanted with real job security, a pension, holiday pay etc.? I quite agree, I personally think they are wrong. However, two people in particular that I know really enjoy the flexibility that the zero hours provide. They both work the weekend shifts (which the contracted staff don't want), one of them can continue with his degree at Keele and the other earns enough that she can put the money towards holidays for her family but is at home in the week for the kids. A promise to 'outlaw zero hours contracts' is more likely to harm traditional Labour voters than Tory voters in my opinion. I think that most people who get these shitty contracts don't actually want them in the first place, for many its the best deal they are forced to take. |
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Post by felonious on Apr 30, 2017 19:01:33 GMT
Don't know about the policies .....but the promises they are making put them miles ahead ....with the promise of yet more promises to come . Are there any promises of costings?  |
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 30, 2017 19:09:45 GMT
Right lets get this straight there is a huge difference between zero hour contracts and flexible contracts with zero hours you are not guaranteed to get any hours of work and no pay on a flexible contract you get a set amount of hours and a set minimum income.
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 30, 2017 19:11:01 GMT
I quite agree, I personally think they are wrong. However, two people in particular that I know really enjoy the flexibility that the zero hours provide. They both work the weekend shifts (which the contracted staff don't want), one of them can continue with his degree at Keele and the other earns enough that she can put the money towards holidays for her family but is at home in the week for the kids. A promise to 'outlaw zero hours contracts' is more likely to harm traditional Labour voters than Tory voters in my opinion. I think that most people who get these shitty contracts don't actually want them in the first place, for many its the best deal they are forced to take. You maybe right but in all honesty the few people I know on these contracts are on them through choice. I'm sure the majority aren't as you say but rather than just outlaw them Labour should be promising to improve the ZHC conditions. Outlawing them is just a lazy electioneering soundbite. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 20:26:54 GMT
So which Tory policies do you admire? Or are you going to play the "Sorry, i'm off for my lunch" or "Sorry, I don't do politics" cards again? No he's going to play the I haven't got an idea because the Tories have no policies and just result to personal attacks policy Makes no sense mate  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 20:29:45 GMT
Don't know about the policies .....but the promises they are making put them miles ahead ....with the promise of yet more promises to come . So which Tory policies do you admire? Or are you going to play the "Sorry, i'm off for my lunch" or "Sorry, I don't do politics" cards again? No I'll select the I'm going to dinner one ........whichever policies you dislike will do for me |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 20:31:55 GMT
They've promised to demolish your sea wall..to drown you Tory buggers! Haha! Haha! The eu have given us some of our money back to spend on our Sea defences Bloody good of them to give us enough back to save us from drowning They have spent most of it on the sea wall opposite your back garden |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 20:35:34 GMT
Don't know about the policies .....but the promises they are making put them miles ahead ....with the promise of yet more promises to come . They've promised to demolish your sea wall..to drown you Tory buggers! Haha! Haha! Just wait until that extra high tidal surge on the Thames occurs .....a barrier won't save you |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 20:41:30 GMT
The eu have given us some of our money back to spend on our Sea defences Bloody good of them to give us enough back to save us from drowning They have spent most of it on the sea wall opposite your back garden Oh no bish. They've done south cleveleys upto the royal venue then they've left the bit north of that which is behind mine and started again north of rossall school Obviously know I'm a ukip voter |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 30, 2017 20:47:30 GMT
Didn't they bring them in? Bliar promised to abolish them like most things he did he lied about that as well. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 30, 2017 20:52:21 GMT
They've promised to demolish your sea wall..to drown you Tory buggers! Haha! Haha! Just wait until that extra high tidal surge on the Thames occurs .....a barrier won't save you No problem for Nicholas or as he is known King Canute in London circles, failing that he could bore the waves to death, failing that he could hold it back with his degree |
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