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Post by Will_75 on Apr 28, 2017 11:42:01 GMT
I would argue your exaggerated view of their being a "poisonous toxic" atmosphere in the ground every week doesn't tally with me either.... I haven't said there's that every week have I. I said there's been booing at most home games since Norwich. There has. The Hull game was outright rebellion with the sub. There was no need for the booing yet a large proportion booed. I work with 5/6 Stoke fans, none have a good word to say about him. I just don't see this everything will be alright next season lark. And one for thing, it needed to change this season after the second half of last season. He was getting dogs abuse from people around me at the game against Hull. And my old man sat behind the dugout for the Liverpool and said he got tonnes of stick. The Brit isn't a happy place. "outright rebellion" - give over. anyone who booed that sub was made to look like a right twat but the immediate impact of SJW and Crouch. the same dickheads now stink this place out telling us Saido is a donkey. take a day off will you?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2017 11:47:05 GMT
I haven't said there's that every week have I. I said there's been booing at most home games since Norwich. There has. The Hull game was outright rebellion with the sub. There was no need for the booing yet a large proportion booed. I work with 5/6 Stoke fans, none have a good word to say about him. I just don't see this everything will be alright next season lark. And one for thing, it needed to change this season after the second half of last season. He was getting dogs abuse from people around me at the game against Hull. And my old man sat behind the dugout for the Liverpool and said he got tonnes of stick. The Brit isn't a happy place. "outright rebellion" - give over. anyone who booed that sub was made to look like a right twat but the immediate impact of SJW and Crouch. the same dickheads now stink this place out telling us Saido is a donkey. take a day off will you? No they weren't. There should have been no need for the subs if Hughes actually knew what he was doing. But that's where we're at. Dismissing them is putting your head in the sand.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 11:48:04 GMT
I would argue your exaggerated view of their being a "poisonous toxic" atmosphere in the ground every week doesn't tally with me either.... I haven't said there's that every week have I. I said there's been booing at most home games since Norwich. There has. The Hull game was outright rebellion with the sub. There was no need for the booing yet a large proportion booed. I work with 5/6 Stoke fans, none have a good word to say about him. I just don't see this everything will be alright next season lark. And one for thing, it needed to change this season after the second half of last season. He was getting dogs abuse from people around me at the game against Hull. And my old man sat behind the dugout for the Liverpool and said he got tonnes of stick. The Brit isn't a happy place. The Bet365 is alright though! Everyone around me in the DPD seems pretty chilled most weeks. To say a percentage of the fans booing the Berhino substitutions is "outright rebellion" is just massively overstating it. As many Southampton fans booed the Gabbiadini substitution against Man City the next day, it happens.....
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Post by Glory Hunter on Apr 28, 2017 12:01:45 GMT
The problem is that Hughes, and I am pro Hughes by the way, is not listening to the many reasonable criticisms.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Apr 28, 2017 12:03:45 GMT
FFS Sparky!
The football has been dogshit and there's been little passion and commitment from the players in a large proportion of the performances, that's why fans are pissed off.
It's not fucking rocket science.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 28, 2017 12:12:26 GMT
The problem is that Hughes, and I am pro Hughes by the way, is not listening to the many reasonable criticisms. Other than on here where are these reasonable criticisms? And the criticism on here is far from reasonable so can you blame him for not listening?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2017 12:14:40 GMT
The problem is that Hughes, and I am pro Hughes by the way, is not listening to the many reasonable criticisms. Other than on here where are these reasonable criticisms? And the criticism on here is far from reasonable so can yo blame him for not listening? We've been awful for 18 months though. To gloss this over as anything else is just wrong.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 28, 2017 12:15:10 GMT
"Any dissent among fans is down to expectation" Really?Its down to the standard of football on offer for the majority of the season The expectation of the football we expect our team to be playing based on what he himself, as our manager created. He's acknowledged that we've fallen short of those standards but stated that all is not lost and that there is still positives to strive for in the games remaining this season. As I say, some people will moan and pick fault with absolutely anything. Fallen short of those standards for 15 months not a few games though Dave.If youre happy with what's on offer then fair play to you but don't forget as the Chairman said "we have the best squad of players we've ever had" so maybe folk have the right to be a tad pissed off at the minute
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 12:20:26 GMT
The expectation of the football we expect our team to be playing based on what he himself, as our manager created. He's acknowledged that we've fallen short of those standards but stated that all is not lost and that there is still positives to strive for in the games remaining this season. As I say, some people will moan and pick fault with absolutely anything. Fallen short of those standards for 15 months not a few games though Dave.If youre happy with what's on offer then fair play to you but don't forget as the Chairman said "we have the best squad of players we've ever had" so maybe folk have the right to be a tad pissed off at the minute Pissed off - Yes. Downright disrespectful and sometimes abusive to a manager that is on the verge of doing something for the first time in our history if we finish top half - No
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 28, 2017 12:23:28 GMT
Other than on here where are these reasonable criticisms? And the criticism on here is far from reasonable so can yo blame him for not listening? We've been awful for 18 months though. To gloss this over as anything else is just wrong. I'm not advocating glossing over anything. I'm as frustrated as the next man about our shit performances this season. I was simply responding to a poster who asked why he hadn't reacted to 'reasonable criticism'. I was just interested where he thought this 'reasonable criticism' came from because if he thought Hughes was going to take any notice of us loons on here then he's.......well a loon. The criticism on here has been far from reasonable but I can't recall any criticism from another source. But I'm sure you'll be able to prove me wrong
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Post by lordb on Apr 28, 2017 12:23:36 GMT
"outright rebellion" - give over. anyone who booed that sub was made to look like a right twat but the immediate impact of SJW and Crouch. the same dickheads now stink this place out telling us Saido is a donkey. take a day off will you? No they weren't. There should have been no need for the subs if Hughes actually knew what he was doing. But that's where we're at. Dismissing them is putting your head in the sand. The booing of the substitutions at the Hull game was vocal & clear. However it was along way from 'outright rebellion' It's been a very long time since the crowd seriously gave the Stoke team/manager/players/board 'proper' stick. We might get to that point of course but's lets not overstate a bit of booing as anything other than that.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 28, 2017 12:41:08 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 28, 2017 12:49:16 GMT
"Any dissent among fans is down to expectation" Really?Its down to the standard of football on offer for the majority of the season "The fans here expect that you bang it long". We have been doing. I've not been disappointed on that score. Who said that mate?
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 28, 2017 12:57:09 GMT
The annoying thing is he does not seem to want to admit how poor we have been this season and puts any criticism down to fans' heightened expectations.
That is treating us like fools. Many of here have been watching Stoke, and plenty of other football, for 40 years or more (myself included) and we have a pretty good idea as to the quality of what we witness.
To dress up most of this season's performances as anything other than a desperately disappointing backwards step on the early years of his management of the club is simply self-serving, job protecting nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 12:59:14 GMT
"The fans here expect that you bang it long". We have been doing. I've not been disappointed on that score. Who said that mate? Hughes said after the West Ham game last season that, at times, the fans here 'demand' that you bang it long and chase after it. I've just tweaked one of the words slightly. (naughty). It's roughly 1 minute in on the video in the link: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36240338
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 28, 2017 13:03:50 GMT
The annoying thing is he does not seem to want to admit how poor we have been this season and puts any criticism down to fans' heightened expectations. That is treating us like fools. Many of here have been watching Stoke, and plenty of other football, for 40 years or more (myself included) and we have a pretty good idea as to the quality of what we witness. To dress up most of this season's performances as anything other than a desperately disappointing backwards step on the early years of his management of the club is simply self-serving, job protecting nonsense. My concern is not of if my expectations have been met this season ... far from it. MY concern is of what will happen NEXT season, whether we finish 10th or 17th this season, it will have absolutely zero bearing on my worry that for the last 15th months I've been watching a manager who doesn't appear to know what he's doing. That worries me a heck of a lot for the season to come.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 28, 2017 13:06:42 GMT
Hughes said after the West Ham game last season that, at times, the fans here 'demand' that you bang it long and chase after it. I've just tweaked one of the words slightly. (naughty). It's roughly 1 minute in on the video in the link: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36240338I remember Chief Delilah being particularly pissed off with that, and rightly so. It's Hughes's "steak and chips" moment. For what it's worth, I think fans have been pretty patient with Hughes.
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Post by Gods on Apr 28, 2017 13:33:38 GMT
The annoying thing is he does not seem to want to admit how poor we have been this season and puts any criticism down to fans' heightened expectations. That is treating us like fools. Many of here have been watching Stoke, and plenty of other football, for 40 years or more (myself included) and we have a pretty good idea as to the quality of what we witness. To dress up most of this season's performances as anything other than a desperately disappointing backwards step on the early years of his management of the club is simply self-serving, job protecting nonsense. Sparky just doesn't do humble/reflective/repentant, it is nowhere in his soul, mind or spirit. If we want a long dark night of the soul from the boss when things are going wrong we definitely need a new manager
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Post by liamo on Apr 28, 2017 13:37:44 GMT
The annoying thing is he does not seem to want to admit how poor we have been this season and puts any criticism down to fans' heightened expectations. That is treating us like fools. Many of here have been watching Stoke, and plenty of other football, for 40 years or more (myself included) and we have a pretty good idea as to the quality of what we witness. To dress up most of this season's performances as anything other than a desperately disappointing backwards step on the early years of his management of the club is simply self-serving, job protecting nonsense. My concern is not of if my expectations have been met this season ... far from it. MY concern is of what will happen NEXT season, whether we finish 10th or 17th this season, it will have absolutely zero bearing on my worry that for the last 15th months I've been watching a manager who doesn't appear to know what he's doing. That worries me a heck of a lot for the season to come. That's the main issue, not aknowledging how shit we've been is a dangerous road to go down, it implies that he doesn't think anything is wrong... which means he won't change a thing He's given us no reason to believe we're looking to turn a corner, that things will be different next season, we got outplayed by Hull for 60 minutes and then lost to Swansea, if we have our typical wank 6 game start and start losing to the bottom teams we could be in some real trouble He's walking around stress free because his target is top 10, it doesn't matter that even if we do finish 10th we've still only come top of a shit 10 team mini league, the best of a bad bunch It wasn't that long ago that we were being talked up by players and manager alike, we were moving upwards and looking at European qualification, even this season after being knocked out of the FA Cup by Wolves Hughes said he expects players to really push and 7th was achievable... now he's hoping for top 10 and saying we need to manage the expectations that he's given us?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 28, 2017 13:40:55 GMT
The criticism of Butland's return is beyond pathetic. He's our number one goalkeeper, one of the best goalkeepers in the country, he's fit and he needs to be playing games to get back to his very best. I agree Dave , just not sure that last week was the time to bring him in but certainly these last 4 will do him good
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 28, 2017 13:45:36 GMT
Hughes said after the West Ham game last season that, at times, the fans here 'demand' that you bang it long and chase after it. I've just tweaked one of the words slightly. (naughty). It's roughly 1 minute in on the video in the link: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36240338I remember Chief Delilah being particularly pissed off with that, and rightly so. It's Hughes's "steak and chips" moment. For what it's worth, I think fans have been pretty patient with Hughes. That is where the game is going wrong , fans want to see games that are full blooded and end to end with chances and incidentsa to talk about the style he likes to play can produce some great moments but so much time spent retaining possession but doing nothing productive with it is just as boring as TP's 9 men behind the ball when we are attacking tactcs , its just as dull but in a different way . TP's style produced some great games too but the boring games took over in the end and at times now it feels pretty similar .
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Post by geoffscott on Apr 28, 2017 13:51:20 GMT
I don't think Hughes is saying that is he? I think his comments are perfectly reasonable. He knows we've fallen short of the standards he himself set for this club and he's acknowledged that. Some people will pick fault with absolutely everything even when there is no need to pick fault. Exactly! The only real disappointment this season has been a small minority of supporters, who seem to be losing a sense of realism as to what supporting Stoke City is about.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 28, 2017 13:52:28 GMT
I remember Chief Delilah being particularly pissed off with that, and rightly so. It's Hughes's "steak and chips" moment. For what it's worth, I think fans have been pretty patient with Hughes. That is where the game is going wrong , fans want to see games that are full blooded and end to end with chances and incidentsa to talk about the style he likes to play can produce some great moments but so much time spent retaining possession but doing nothing productive with it is just as boring as TP's 9 men behind the ball when we are attacking tactcs , its just as dull but in a different way . TP's style produced some great games too but the boring games took over in the end and at times now it feels pretty similar . I agree, and I am getting a bit pissed off with the "You've never had it so good" line being peddled. Hughes and his transfer team has massively under performed for two seasons and I think that is beyond dispute. I think Stoke fans are pretty easily pleased, by and large, but most know a shambles when they see it.
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Post by Gods on Apr 28, 2017 13:58:13 GMT
I don't think Hughes is saying that is he? I think his comments are perfectly reasonable. He knows we've fallen short of the standards he himself set for this club and he's acknowledged that. Some people will pick fault with absolutely everything even when there is no need to pick fault. Exactly! The only real disappointment this season has been a small minority of supporters, who seem to be losing a sense of realism as to what supporting Stoke City is about. Come on mate, you know that's not true. Who for example was happy that we flunked out of both cup competitions (our only realistic chance of any success) at more or less the first hurdle at home to hapless Hull and Wolves both of whom fielded weakened teams? No one could have fixed an inane grin on their face and smiled their way through those 2 defeats could they ?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 28, 2017 14:16:26 GMT
The main problem is that everyone is picking apart every little word said in his press conference, when in reality (and as sheikhmomo said) it's nothing more than standard, meaningless "managerese" said by umpteen managers up and down the country every week in just about every press conference you hear. If you're looking for (or waiting/hoping for) a full, in depth analysis by any manager where he acknowledges every issue and holds his hands up to appease the fans, in what is basically a token press assembly then you could be in for a long,long wait as they rarely happen at any club's pre-matchday "presser"
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Post by geoffscott on Apr 28, 2017 14:19:39 GMT
Exactly! The only real disappointment this season has been a small minority of supporters, who seem to be losing a sense of realism as to what supporting Stoke City is about. Come on mate, you know that's not true. Who for example was happy that we flunked out of both cup competitions (our only realistic chance of any success) at more or less the first hurdle at home to hapless Hull and Wolves both of whom fielded weakened teams? No one could have fixed an inane grin on their face and smiled their way through those 2 defeats could they ? My mate is a Wolves fan and sat amongst our fellow Stoke City supporters, naturally he was chuffed with the result, but the one thing he still talks about now is how shocking our support was and how precious we have become. Look on here every day you can see it, after the Hull game we had 'yeah we scored 3 world class goals but some of the other stuff was shocking', its laughable if it wasn't your own club. Not to mention the disgraceful booing at the substitutions against Hull. When you see that happening you have to be grateful we have experienced players, who obviously have more pride in the club than some of these supporters.
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Post by Gods on Apr 28, 2017 14:31:52 GMT
Come on mate, you know that's not true. Who for example was happy that we flunked out of both cup competitions (our only realistic chance of any success) at more or less the first hurdle at home to hapless Hull and Wolves both of whom fielded weakened teams? No one could have fixed an inane grin on their face and smiled their way through those 2 defeats could they ? My mate is a Wolves fan and sat amongst our fellow Stoke City supporters, naturally he was chuffed with the result, but the one thing he still talks about now is how shocking our support was and how precious we have become. Look on here every day you can see it, after the Hull game we had 'yeah we scored 3 world class goals but some of the other stuff was shocking', its laughable if it wasn't your own club. Not to mention the disgraceful booing at the substitutions against Hull. When you see that happening you have to be grateful we have experienced players, who obviously have more pride in the club than some of these supporters. Fair enough but that's a valid point about the quality of our support, compromised as it is by a growing sense of entitlement. It's not the same as saying there has been no on-field 'disappointment' this season. Whether you take us garnering just 1 point from the first possible 18, our complete abdication in the cup competitions, our failure to score an away goal since January 10th, our string of 4 goal drubbings...whatever measure you care to put on it there has been disappointment this season and unfortunately its come in spades
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Post by alster on Apr 28, 2017 14:40:27 GMT
Come on mate, you know that's not true. Who for example was happy that we flunked out of both cup competitions (our only realistic chance of any success) at more or less the first hurdle at home to hapless Hull and Wolves both of whom fielded weakened teams? No one could have fixed an inane grin on their face and smiled their way through those 2 defeats could they ? My mate is a Wolves fan and sat amongst our fellow Stoke City supporters, naturally he was chuffed with the result, but the one thing he still talks about now is how shocking our support was and how precious we have become. Look on here every day you can see it, after the Hull game we had 'yeah we scored 3 world class goals but some of the other stuff was shocking', its laughable if it wasn't your own club. Not to mention the disgraceful booing at the substitutions against Hull. When you see that happening you have to be grateful we have experienced players, who obviously have more pride in the club than some of these supporters. What absolute horseshit, that reaction has building for a longtime. You really can't deal with different views can you. Those supporters who booed payed to be at that game and probably all the other home games minimum but you'll happily slag them off in preference to players who are just passing through. How many of them would pay to be there. I'll give you a clue its a number beginning with Z. Do yourself a favor learn to appreciate other peoples views and loyalty because they'll still be there when Mark Hughes and your precious players have long gone, the fans are the club, all of them whether they agree with you or not players and managers are but temporary employees being handsomely rewarded whilst passing through.
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Post by alster on Apr 28, 2017 14:44:18 GMT
My mate is a Wolves fan and sat amongst our fellow Stoke City supporters, naturally he was chuffed with the result, but the one thing he still talks about now is how shocking our support was and how precious we have become. Look on here every day you can see it, after the Hull game we had 'yeah we scored 3 world class goals but some of the other stuff was shocking', its laughable if it wasn't your own club. Not to mention the disgraceful booing at the substitutions against Hull. When you see that happening you have to be grateful we have experienced players, who obviously have more pride in the club than some of these supporters. Fair enough but that's a valid point about the quality of our support, compromised as it is by a growing sense of entitlement. It's not the same as saying there has been no on-field 'disappointment' this season. Whether you take us garnering just 1 point from the first possible 18, our complete abdication in the cup competitions, our failure to score an away goal since January 10th, our string of 4 goal drubbings...whatever measure you care to put on it there has been disappointment this season and unfortunately its come in spades You're not allowed to be disappointed or vocalise your frustration. He must have a major problem with Coates then who uttered the word disappointing about 20 times in one short interview the other week.
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Post by geoffscott on Apr 28, 2017 14:51:19 GMT
My mate is a Wolves fan and sat amongst our fellow Stoke City supporters, naturally he was chuffed with the result, but the one thing he still talks about now is how shocking our support was and how precious we have become. Look on here every day you can see it, after the Hull game we had 'yeah we scored 3 world class goals but some of the other stuff was shocking', its laughable if it wasn't your own club. Not to mention the disgraceful booing at the substitutions against Hull. When you see that happening you have to be grateful we have experienced players, who obviously have more pride in the club than some of these supporters. Fair enough but that's a point about the quality of our support, compromised as it is by a growing sense of entitlement. It's not the same as saying there has been no on-field 'disappointment' this season. Whether you take us garnering just 1 point from the first possible 18, our complete abdication in the cup competitions, our failure to score an away goal since January 10th, our string of 4 goal drubbings...whatever measure you care to put on it there has been disappointment this season and unfortunately its come in spades I know you are Stoke City through and through, but instead of looking for and then trying to focus on negatives, as a fellow Stoke City supporter try and consider these ideas..... After 4 years of Mark Hughes and his team raising and more often than not exceeding expectations, if this is a failure and disappointment, then I can't wait for more as I would suggest the club is in very safe hands. One of the most experienced managers around, pushing the boundaries, 3 top 9's, a cup semi final, not afraid to try something different, punching above our weight, attracting top quality players, seeing the type of goals regularly scored by Stoke players that I might see once every couple of years. Already so much to look forward to next season and that's before we make any new signings. Booing because we are 1-0 down or because a player that is older than 29 is coming on the pitch, that's not support and it shouldn't be associated with Stoke City.
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