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Post by 3putts on Apr 25, 2017 11:30:54 GMT
what do we the british taxpayer get from hanging on to these british territories? 1] the falklands its ridiculous to cling onto a little rock thousands of miles away.thatcher used it to boost her popularity at the cost of many lives from both sides.[2] gibralter is in spanish waters are we going to start another war for a tiny piece of rock? i would suggest if the inhabitants want to continue to live as britts then they relocate to this sceptered isle.
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Post by lordb on Apr 25, 2017 11:40:02 GMT
1: Access to S.Atlantic Oil fields
2: Strategic control over the 'entrance'to the med.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 11:40:29 GMT
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Post by woodstein on Apr 25, 2017 12:02:53 GMT
what do we the british taxpayer get from hanging on to these british territories? 1] the falklands its ridiculous to cling onto a little rock thousands of miles away.thatcher used it to boost her popularity at the cost of many lives from both sides.[2] gibralter is in spanish waters are we going to start another war for a tiny piece of rock? i would suggest if the inhabitants want to continue to live as britts then they relocate to this sceptered isle. Think about the folk who live and were born there, why should they move here? It belongs to Britain yet if someone says foreigners living here should locate back to their country of origin folk go bonkers. By the way, our forces defended the place from an Argentine invasion, it wasn't Thatcher's plan to boost her image. Would you say the same about Churchill? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 12:05:49 GMT
Who are you to tell people where they should and shouldn't live?
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Post by 3putts on Apr 25, 2017 12:42:12 GMT
its been on my mind for a while so i thought i would put it open for debate.many people in the uk still believe we rule the world sadly those days are long gone but dont tell that to the daily mail.i just find it bizzare that we still control land in foriegn places. i wonder how people would react if the isle of man was owned by argentina? and the isle of white owned by spain?
i also wonder what is the true cost to the british taxpayer in keeping these lump of rock british?
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Post by lowlands on Apr 25, 2017 12:49:14 GMT
255 serviceman gave their lives to save the Falklands from an invading force. Also the inhabitants are British and wish to remain so. And exactly why should they move and at what cost. As we are on this subject lets hand over Northern Ireland to the Irish, and let Scotland and Wales and the Isle of Wight and Man become independent and see where England would stand in the trading world. Bankrupt and broke I believe
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 12:53:35 GMT
its been on my mind for a while so i thought i would put it open for debate.many people in the uk still believe we rule the world sadly those days are long gone but dont tell that to the daily mail.i just find it bizzare that we still control land in foriegn places. i wonder how people would react if the isle of man was owned by argentina? and the isle of white owned by spain? i also wonder what is the true cost to the british taxpayer in keeping these lump of rock british? In terms of the Falklands, it's my understanding that there are potentially large oil/gas reserves there. Otherwise we quite possibly would've handed it back by now because it serves very little strategic purpose beyond helping us pretend that we're still a virile superpower  Gibraltar's strategic importance in terms of its location and its established economy is far more obvious. I'd imagine that Brexit will see Spain apply far more pressure to hand it back; whether Spain can apply enough to make Gibraltar economically/strategically non-viable will determine whether we do so or not  |
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Post by 3putts on Apr 25, 2017 13:17:52 GMT
255 serviceman gave their lives to save the Falklands from an invading force. Also the inhabitants are British and wish to remain so. And exactly why should they move and at what cost. As we are on this subject lets hand over Northern Ireland to the Irish, and let Scotland and Wales and the Isle of Wight and Man become independent and see where England would stand in the trading world. Bankrupt and broke I believe both sides lost many lives due to the pig headedness of both leaders.nobody came out of this with any credit. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 14:49:10 GMT
its been on my mind for a while so i thought i would put it open for debate.many people in the uk still believe we rule the world sadly those days are long gone but dont tell that to the daily mail.i just find it bizzare that we still control land in foriegn places. i wonder how people would react if the isle of man was owned by argentina? and the isle of white owned by spain? i also wonder what is the true cost to the british taxpayer in keeping these lump of rock british? Gibraltar is self sufficient. It doesn't cost us anything to keep it British. |
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 25, 2017 14:55:39 GMT
Gibralter key to navel passage in the area hence us keeping that for the navel rights
Falklands key gives us a share of the polar cap and the oil deposits under it as it is one of the nearest areas to the cap
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 15:13:14 GMT
255 serviceman gave their lives to save the Falklands from an invading force. Also the inhabitants are British and wish to remain so. And exactly why should they move and at what cost. As we are on this subject lets hand over Northern Ireland to the Irish, and let Scotland and Wales and the Isle of Wight and Man become independent and see where England would stand in the trading world. Bankrupt and broke I believe both sides lost many lives due to the pig headedness of both leaders.nobody came out of this with any credit. Well what do you think should have been the course of action then , when British territory and the home of British subjects was the subject of an armed invasion by a foreign aggressive military force ....should we have done nothing in response ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 15:19:28 GMT
both sides lost many lives due to the pig headedness of both leaders.nobody came out of this with any credit. Well what do you think should have been the course of action then , when British territory and the home of British subjects was the subject of an armed invasion by a foreign aggressive military force ....should we have done nothing in response ? It seems to me he is saying those living on the Falklands should have come back to Britain. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 15:24:21 GMT
Well what do you think should have been the course of action then , when British territory and the home of British subjects was the subject of an armed invasion by a foreign aggressive military force ....should we have done nothing in response ? It seems to me he is saying those living on the Falklands should have come back to Britain. Even though most of them were born and raised there ? Whether people agree or not it was and is British territory ...it was sad that the loss of lif occurred , but that blame lies at the feet of General Galtieri and his Junta who instigated the whole sorry affair . |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 25, 2017 15:34:48 GMT
its been on my mind for a while so i thought i would put it open for debate.many people in the uk still believe we rule the world sadly those days are long gone but dont tell that to the daily mail.i just find it bizzare that we still control land in foriegn places. i wonder how people would react if the isle of man was owned by argentina? and the isle of white owned by spain? i also wonder what is the true cost to the british taxpayer in keeping these lump of rock british? But that is the key.... They are not Foreign places, they are British places. If the Argentines (or more likely Spanish) owned the Isle of Wight, no doubt people would visit to enjoy the local culture, yachting etc, etc.... I am not sure what you are getting at? I am surprised you haven't started on the Commonwealth yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 15:36:03 GMT
its been on my mind for a while so i thought i would put it open for debate.many people in the uk still believe we rule the world sadly those days are long gone but dont tell that to the daily mail.i just find it bizzare that we still control land in foriegn places. i wonder how people would react if the isle of man was owned by argentina? and the isle of white owned by spain? i also wonder what is the true cost to the british taxpayer in keeping these lump of rock british? But that is the key.... They are not Foreign places, they are British places. If the Argentines (or more likely Spanish) owned the Isle of Wight, no doubt people would visit to enjoy the local culture, yachting etc, etc.... I am not sure what you are getting at? I am surprised you haven't started on the Commonwealth yet. Give it time . |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 25, 2017 15:45:09 GMT
But that is the key.... They are not Foreign places, they are British places. If the Argentines (or more likely Spanish) owned the Isle of Wight, no doubt people would visit to enjoy the local culture, yachting etc, etc.... I am not sure what you are getting at? I am surprised you haven't started on the Commonwealth yet. Give it time . I'm just slightly confused where the issue is, or the debate. On this point, I'm waiting for the calls for Jersey and Guernsey to be given to France! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 15:48:18 GMT
I'm just slightly confused where the issue is, or the debate. On this point, I'm waiting for the calls for Jersey and Guernsey to be given to France! There is none mate .....Do the French really want the Chanel Islands back ? Don't think I've heard much on that front |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 15:51:40 GMT
I'm just slightly confused where the issue is, or the debate. On this point, I'm waiting for the calls for Jersey and Guernsey to be given to France! There is none mate .....Do the French really want the Chanel Islands back ? Don't think I've heard much on that front Is Tristan Da Cunha still ours ?  |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 25, 2017 16:09:29 GMT
I admit I had to look at Wikipedia and it seems it still is yours! Looks a lovely place to be (less the seasonal storms) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 16:37:13 GMT
There is none mate .....Do the French really want the Chanel Islands back ? Don't think I've heard much on that front Is Tristan Da Cunha still ours ? Could you please keep your Racist comments to yourself?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 16:57:56 GMT
Is Tristan Da Cunha still ours ? Could you please keep your Racist comments to yourself? Sorry , I'll do better next time.  |
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Post by felonious on Apr 25, 2017 18:20:51 GMT
Gibralter key to navel passage in the area hence us keeping that for the navel rights Falklands key gives us a share of the polar cap and the oil deposits under it as it is one of the nearest areas to the cap I see you've been gazing at the maps |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 25, 2017 18:54:30 GMT
The exact same that we get for holding the Isle of Man.
They've had multiple referendums on who they want as sovereign, and they've emphatically answered. Seems fair enough to me.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 25, 2017 19:17:46 GMT
Gibralter key to navel passage in the area hence us keeping that for the navel rights Falklands key gives us a share of the polar cap and the oil deposits under it as it is one of the nearest areas to the cap I see you've been gazing at the maps No just watching the news over a period of years |
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Post by 3putts on Apr 25, 2017 19:55:17 GMT
its just one mans [mine] opinion and i knew i would get a fair bit of flak, but i still dont see any reason where we can lay claim to land outside the british isles? we gave back hong kong. i would rather we handed them back to the nearest country [argentina/spain] for free than have another life lost in a futile war.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Apr 25, 2017 20:04:00 GMT
It isn't just the Falklands & Gibraltar.
We also have the Ascension Isles where Signals train jointly with US forces & Alexander Barracks in Cyprus
Belize & Brunei are used for jungle training purposes.
There are a number of other Countries used for military training/operations.
Any compromising on the Sovereignty of the Falklands & Gibraltar would also have knock on effects on the above & severely hamper the training & thus effectiveness of British Forces.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 20:48:04 GMT
its just one mans [mine] opinion and i knew i would get a fair bit of flak, but i still dont see any reason where we can lay claim to land outside the british isles? we gave back hong kong. i would rather we handed them back to the nearest country [argentina/spain] for free than have another life lost in a futile war. Hong Kong. was never a British territory , we leased it off them for 99 years , at the end of the leasehold we mearly handed it back to China ( in a much better state ) than when we took it on ) |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 25, 2017 21:01:13 GMT
its just one mans [mine] opinion and i knew i would get a fair bit of flak, but i still dont see any reason where we can lay claim to land outside the british isles? we gave back hong kong. i would rather we handed them back to the nearest country [argentina/spain] for free than have another life lost in a futile war. Lose another life??? Do you know something is happening?? |
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Post by woodstein on Apr 25, 2017 21:43:18 GMT
its just one mans [mine] opinion and i knew i would get a fair bit of flak, but i still dont see any reason where we can lay claim to land outside the british isles? we gave back hong kong. i would rather we handed them back to the nearest country [argentina/spain] for free than have another life lost in a futile war. Do you think Britain shouldn't have stepped in to help countries invaded by Germany in ww2? Don't think you would have if you don't even think our own territories are worth defending. I'd rather tax payers money go to those islands than help pay to look after lazy idle scroungers. |
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