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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 11:22:27 GMT
...on here at least, dont have a GENUINE footballing brain (including me)
We all have opionions but..
Ask the players what they think the problem is... they would say themselves and very lttle to do with mh and co
Instead people come on here with shallow extreme alarmist statements about players and manager in the guise of knowing something genuine about whats going on ....mh is doing a good job
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Post by Davef on Apr 24, 2017 11:25:47 GMT
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Post by Gods on Apr 24, 2017 11:26:35 GMT
Jack Butland says we're not trying hard enough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 11:28:04 GMT
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 24, 2017 11:29:15 GMT
Can we rename 1 of the forums, Chat Misty - Get Binned ?
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Post by liamo on Apr 24, 2017 11:47:55 GMT
Don't need a footballing brain to know we've gone to shit this past 18 months, if Mark Hughes has a footballing brain it must be on ice somewhere because we're moving backwards at an alarming pace
You can choose to believe that most Stoke fans are wrong and put your faith in a man that hasn't addressed the major issues we've had for a long time, you can choose to believe that he knows exactly what he's doing and has a master plan if you want but i can't
He's not doing anything but making excuses and treading water, we're safe, it's the perfect time to test out some youth players, perfect time to try something new and to finish the season looking like we've turned a corner but all we get is weak performances
The end of last season results and performances really took a down turn but Hughes had earned the right to tell us to trust him to start the new season and really push on from there...we didn't and haven't, performances are just as weak now as they were then, so knowing that, why should we believe that next season will be any different? Give me one positive point, anything to say that we're going to improve next season with Mark hughes at the helm? It's far more likely that we'll just start weak like we always do except now we've started losing to the bottom teams who we dominated earlier in the season
It's a recipe for disaster
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Post by sonichuth on Apr 24, 2017 11:53:11 GMT
Yeah, you probably would get that response from the players, because they're professionals who don't want to throw their manager under the bus. Nothing to do with what they actually think.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 24, 2017 11:56:14 GMT
Nevermind a footballing brain, just a brain would suffice.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 24, 2017 11:58:50 GMT
Hi Mark
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 12:10:16 GMT
Jack Butland says we're not trying hard enough. The OP obviously meant "Ask the outfield players what they think the problem is ..." |
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Post by SCFC92 on Apr 24, 2017 12:34:58 GMT
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Post by MooG on Apr 24, 2017 12:47:57 GMT
I'm sure the players would say it's down to them. I'm also sure that the management team would say it was their fault and even the board would accept their share of the blame.
Partly this is down to loyalty - but it is also true that when everybody "takes responsibility", then that responsibility gets spread so thin nobody actually has to individually do anything to fix the problem.
As a trivial example see how often players will accept that "we need to improve our defending at set pieces" and how often that is followed by "and that means I will be...".
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Post by Glory Hunter on Apr 24, 2017 12:56:19 GMT
Most Stoke fans would do well to remember that just 10 years ago we were playing Scunthorpe, Colchester and Plymouth and even in our promotion year the average crowd was 16,000, so 12,000 empty seats. We relied on loaned players as we either couldn't afford them or they didn't want to come here. Now we have an established Premier League club and I for one, don't take that for granted.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Apr 24, 2017 13:00:02 GMT
So we are doing fine, we are top 6, we are safe with 4 games to go, we are playing good football, we aren't getting regular 4-0 thrashings, we aren't spending millions on players who either aren't being played or a playing shite, the players look highly motivated and put a shift in every game, the manager's starting lineup and subs always make sense..........................................**
** All utter bullshit.
Fucking hell.
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Post by jebbstuart on Apr 24, 2017 13:58:49 GMT
This league is big money, big egos and big rewards. Its 2017 not ten years ago, if you stand still other teams just pass you by. You have 38 games the best team wins it the worst three go down happens every season we have had a poor season but if we stand still and say we are still a premier league team look where we where 10 years ago all the other teams will spend money buy better players and pass us by.
We got to look forward not back the questions are- is mark Hughes going to improve this team next season, are the players still up for the job? If we don't address the problems we have at present then next season could be a big troubling time
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Post by Stoke711 on Apr 24, 2017 14:10:35 GMT
If you go back to August, a certain player said we don't work on defending.
That player was then sold. Do you really think players will risk their careers/reputation by bad mouthing their current manager.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 14:13:36 GMT
If you go back to August, a certain player said we don't work on defending. That player was then sold. Do you really think players will risk their careers/reputation by bad mouthing their current manager. I thought he was sold because he was surplus to requirements? I think Bournemouth made the same judgement call 3 months into his Cherries career as well..... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 14:39:26 GMT
Most Stoke fans would do well to remember that just 10 years ago we were playing Scunthorpe, Colchester and Plymouth and even in our promotion year the average crowd was 16,000, so 12,000 empty seats. We relied on loaned players as we either couldn't afford them or they didn't want to come here. Now we have an established Premier League club and I for one, don't take that for granted. Hmmmm..I'd forgotten that we existed before 2008. You won't have a Premier League status to take for granted, if we continue our last 18 months form, for another 12 months. Can you see the 'green shoots' of recovery? Because I cannot. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 24, 2017 15:28:25 GMT
What we need is a captain with some steel behind him and regroup the lads, bit like Overson did!!!
Shawcross just doesn't have captain material to me.....there's more to it than just having your picture taken in the centre circle at the start of the match Ryan!!!
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 24, 2017 15:34:09 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2017 15:57:48 GMT
Footballing brain? I question any type of brain with some.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Apr 24, 2017 18:08:22 GMT
Yes because the players are going to come out and say "We're so bad because Mark Hughes is fucking clueless"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 18:16:46 GMT
...on here at least, dont have a GENUINE footballing brain (including me) We all have opionions but.. Ask the players what they think the problem is... they would say themselves and very lttle to do with mh and co Instead people come on here with shallow extreme alarmist statements about players and manager in the guise of knowing something genuine about whats going on ....mh is doing a good job |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 18:19:58 GMT
...on here at least, dont have a GENUINE footballing brain (including me) We all have opionions but.. Ask the players what they think the problem is... they would say themselves and very lttle to do with mh and co Instead people come on here with shallow extreme alarmist statements about players and manager in the guise of knowing something genuine about whats going on ....mh is doing a good job that might be you too? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 18:23:12 GMT
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 24, 2017 18:53:06 GMT
Most Stoke fans would do well to remember that just 10 years ago we were playing Scunthorpe, Colchester and Plymouth and even in our promotion year the average crowd was 16,000, so 12,000 empty seats. We relied on loaned players as we either couldn't afford them or they didn't want to come here. Now we have an established Premier League club and I for one, don't take that for granted. Oh pleeeeeeez stop wheeling out the "remember where we were x years ago" shite - I'm sick of hearing it used as a reason why we should be eternally grateful for just being in the Prem - we have multi-billionaire owners and massive commercial income and it's not unreasonable to expect better performances and management from extremely highly paid professionals - this ain't Fradley Homes anymore! |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 24, 2017 18:58:35 GMT
Most Stoke fans would do well to remember that just 10 years ago we were playing Scunthorpe, Colchester and Plymouth and even in our promotion year the average crowd was 16,000, so 12,000 empty seats. We relied on loaned players as we either couldn't afford them or they didn't want to come here. Now we have an established Premier League club and I for one, don't take that for granted. You shouldn't take it for granted. Only the top 6 are established |
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 24, 2017 20:22:39 GMT
...on here at least, dont have a GENUINE footballing brain (including me) We all have opionions but.. Ask the players what they think the problem is... they would say themselves and very lttle to do with mh and co Instead people come on here with shallow extreme alarmist statements about players and manager in the guise of knowing something genuine about whats going on ....mh is doing a good job I do think a lot of Stoke fans are disrespectful toward Hughes given what he has achieved and a lot of the criticism he gets is hardly constructive. He has had 3 9th place finishes and could still finish in 9th this year, if we can get a decent haul of points from our remaining(winnable) games. If a manager is to have longevity at a club then fans should accept that the team will have the odd bad season, especially while a new generation is formed. On the face of it though, he does seem to have problem building his own teams. He did have success at some clubs, but I think I am correct in saying that QPR, Blackburn and Fulham were relegated not long after he left, perhaps suggesting that he does not leave a legacy either. Defensively I am baffled, we have only 6 full-time defenders, easily the lowest number in the prem, 5 of those defenders are arguably not good enough at this level and the only 1 who is of premiership quality(our captain) will probably be licking his lips at a move away from the potteries. Defensively, for me, we are now at a terminal state in terms of quality and numbers. If somebody new comes in he is going to have a massive problem to re-build, if Hughes stays he has given us no evidence to suggest he is even aware we have a problem in that department. He said in 1 pre-match press conference that he ideally likes to have 3 players to cover for each position, yet he has a back four that picks itself with no backup whatsoever - I just dont get it, when he has a chairman who is prepared to back him. We do also have big issues with the balance of the side and struggle to put out a competitive midfield with the players we have at hand, I have lost count of the amount of times I hear the words "stoke are being overrun in midfield" we were dire against Hull in this department. He also does seem to have an issue with youth or an obsession with old players, either way, it is niggling some of our fans. Despite his fantastic record at our club I have grave doubts about our future with Hughes at the helm if I am honest. How he ends this season will be a good indication of whether he has lost the dressing room or not and I think this will be what Coates is looking at. I do like the guy though and wish him well for the rest of the season and hopefully, he can stay and have a brilliant window and address all our concerns, at the moment, though, there is not 1 part of my DNA that says he is capable of doing it. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 24, 2017 20:41:11 GMT
It might be the players fault but after four years they are mostly his players and in the football business if there is a fear of failure the manager pays the price albeit with a nice juicy hand out
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