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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 3:44:52 GMT
How much a week are we playing these two, to not even get on the bench, it's just insane.
They must be pissing themselves laughing every time they see their pay cheque.
I bet between them it's 120K a week easily.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Apr 23, 2017 7:46:39 GMT
So frustrating isn't it, these two should be first team regulars and ability wise would make a big difference to the team. I almost want a new manager in just to see if he possesses the man management skills to get inside the heads of these two players and get them out on the pitch. I'm not convinced both of them are lost causes just yet.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 23, 2017 7:49:05 GMT
I would be pissed off, not laughing.
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Post by premiershipteamfor10years on Apr 23, 2017 7:53:43 GMT
So frustrating isn't it, these two should be first team regulars and ability wise would make a big difference to the team. I almost want a new manager in just to see if he possesses the man management skills to get inside the heads of these two players and get them out on the pitch. I'm not convinced both of them are lost causes just yet. I am certain this will be going through Peter Coates mind. They can't all of a sudden become bad players. |
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Post by trigger on Apr 23, 2017 8:04:01 GMT
Sure I read that Bony was on 120k per week at Man City and that we were picking up most of it, either way if I was PC I'd be pretty miffed at paying that out every week, absolutely scandalous from Hughes.
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 23, 2017 8:05:40 GMT
I'd drather see the chuckle brothers playing ,to me to you
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 23, 2017 8:06:35 GMT
How much a week are we playing these two, to not even get on the bench, it's just insane. They must be pissing themselves laughing every time they see their pay cheque. I bet between them it's 120K a week easily. I think you're looking more 200,000 for the pair a week😮 |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 23, 2017 8:07:20 GMT
What was even more bizarre was they both travelled and warmed up yesterday
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Post by charlesjefferson on Apr 23, 2017 8:27:27 GMT
I knew he hadn't featured for a long time but looking at Wilfried Bony's game appearance record this season really hits home how little he's been used... www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=55236The last time he featured for us was an 85th minute substitute appearance in the 4-1 defeat at Liverpool on December 27th 2016. Crazy. After he scored those 2 goals against Swansea i thought he'd kick on and the potential was there i felt. What happened was he vanaished from our matchday squads completely after the ACON. Imbula's another mystery... www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=71243It's a lot of cash to splash on a couple of players to have them train in the week and when matchday arrives allow them to just pop off home and go out to do a bit of shopping. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 8:49:40 GMT
Bony has played a grand total of 755 minutes across 16 appearances, and has only completed 90 minutes twice - his first two appearances.
Wow.
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Post by werrington on Apr 23, 2017 8:57:35 GMT
Bony has played a grand total of 755 minutes across 16 appearances, and has only completed 90 minutes twice - his first two appearances. Wow. This signing and his non participation in a team struggling to score could ultimately be the catalyst |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 8:58:51 GMT
Bony has played a grand total of 755 minutes across 16 appearances, and has only completed 90 minutes twice - his first two appearances. Wow. This signing and his non participation in a team struggling to score could ultimately be the catalyst What kind of catalyst are we talking here? I'm getting a bit concerned by a change to your normal, 'level' demeanour. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 23, 2017 8:59:03 GMT
When Hughes decided to let Bojan go then Imbula just had to play, the fact he's seen Whelan, Adam and even Muniesa as more capable than him is utterly shambolic "management" imo. We have zero creativity, zero presence, zero anything.
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 23, 2017 9:08:36 GMT
I have seen hughes play a few times and bowen play once ( v bayern munich on the telly) and they looked really fired up for it, totally committed players.
I just don't understand why they are signing players who don't play with the attitude they themselves did.
I am not trying to be sarcastic, I genuinely don't get it.
Surely the way they themselves played is the way they think footballers should behave from the first whistle to the last.
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 23, 2017 9:09:40 GMT
So frustrating isn't it, these two should be first team regulars and ability wise would make a big difference to the team. I almost want a new manager in just to see if he possesses the man management skills to get inside the heads of these two players and get them out on the pitch. I'm not convinced both of them are lost causes just yet. And when they have been in the team and not cut it, that would be the managers fault too, for keep playing them. He can't win can he. |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Apr 23, 2017 9:11:47 GMT
Bony wasn't even playing that badly.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 23, 2017 9:13:26 GMT
So frustrating isn't it, these two should be first team regulars and ability wise would make a big difference to the team. I almost want a new manager in just to see if he possesses the man management skills to get inside the heads of these two players and get them out on the pitch. I'm not convinced both of them are lost causes just yet. And when they have been in the team and not cut it, that would be the managers fault too, for keep playing them. He can't win can he. Good point but ultimately it is his fault for signing them for huge money |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 23, 2017 9:15:50 GMT
So frustrating isn't it, these two should be first team regulars and ability wise would make a big difference to the team. I almost want a new manager in just to see if he possesses the man management skills to get inside the heads of these two players and get them out on the pitch. I'm not convinced both of them are lost causes just yet. And when they have been in the team and not cut it, that would be the managers fault too, for keep playing them. He can't win can he. Not really, because he signed them. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 23, 2017 9:17:21 GMT
Bony wasn't even playing that badly. Certainly more effective than Berahino that is a fact. |
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Post by werrington on Apr 23, 2017 9:18:29 GMT
So frustrating isn't it, these two should be first team regulars and ability wise would make a big difference to the team. I almost want a new manager in just to see if he possesses the man management skills to get inside the heads of these two players and get them out on the pitch. I'm not convinced both of them are lost causes just yet. And when they have been in the team and not cut it, that would be the managers fault too, for keep playing them. He can't win can he. Mate I'm in your camp 99% of the time but this one he can't escape Bony imbula Bojan Diouf ( 14 goals ) etc etc Players he's chased long and hard, payed good money for and on long contracts and big wages nowhere near the squad and some not even in the country whilst we watch the same turgid players just meander and plod around the pitch when they should of been replaced years ago We even have people on here saying play the old guard when in reality he has and that's why we are where we are Coates isn't stupid and those decisions will be his downfall |
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Post by stokecitydom on Apr 23, 2017 9:19:35 GMT
The exclusion of these two is bewildering.
Imbula has his faults, but we are so utterly devoid of any quality in the middle of the park that he has to be atleast part of the plans.
We simply to not control the midfield. His ball retention and ability to move us up the pitch is something that we need. Rather than lumping the ball long.
I don't understand the Bony situation at all. We are pathetic upfront and he hasn't even had a sniff of a chance for half a season. It appears to be Hughes pride that is getting in the way. As Hughes must see how awful we are upfront. Obviously something has happened and he just refuses to select him in a squad, even if it costs him his job.
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Post by barcaontrent on Apr 23, 2017 9:19:47 GMT
I struggle to see what Bony could do that is worse than berhaino at the moment
I struggle to see what Imbula could do that is worse than allen, Adam or Whelan
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 23, 2017 9:20:40 GMT
And when they have been in the team and not cut it, that would be the managers fault too, for keep playing them. He can't win can he. Good point but ultimately it is his fault for signing them for huge money Okay, but every single signing, by every manager is a gamble isn't it. You can never know for sure how someone is going to work out. I think most of us would of rolled the dice on Bony, in hope he would find his form, which he never did. Hughes rightly dropped Bony, and Bony didn't like it. Did he really expect to be selected again after his interview saying he wished he never came to Stoke? So many on here were saying how shit Imbula was playing, and he was... Hughes drops him, and all of a sudden it's Hughes fault that he can't manage him. I take your point that ultimately the signings are down to Hughes... But really, how many of Hughes signings have been busted? Bony and Imbula? |
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 23, 2017 9:26:46 GMT
And when they have been in the team and not cut it, that would be the managers fault too, for keep playing them. He can't win can he. Mate I'm in your camp 99% of the time but this one he can't escape Bony imbula Bojan Diouf ( 14 goals ) etc etc Players he's chased long and hard, payed good money for and on long contracts and big wages nowhere near the squad and some not even in the country whilst we watch the same turgid players just meander and plod around the pitch when they should of been replaced years ago We even have people on here saying play the old guard when in reality he has and that's why we are where we are Coates isn't stupid and those decisions will be his downfall I hear you mate, but I don't think Bojan and Diouf have been failures to be honest. Bony and Imbula, yes, agreed. My biggest issue is Imbula, he spent 18 mil on him, and he clearly isn't going to make it, unless there something changes. |
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Post by werrington on Apr 23, 2017 9:35:20 GMT
Mate I'm in your camp 99% of the time but this one he can't escape Bony imbula Bojan Diouf ( 14 goals ) etc etc Players he's chased long and hard, payed good money for and on long contracts and big wages nowhere near the squad and some not even in the country whilst we watch the same turgid players just meander and plod around the pitch when they should of been replaced years ago We even have people on here saying play the old guard when in reality he has and that's why we are where we are Coates isn't stupid and those decisions will be his downfall I hear you mate, but I don't think Bojan and Diouf have been failures to be honest. Bony and Imbula, yes, agreed. My biggest issue is Imbula, he spent 18 mil on him, and he clearly isn't going to make it, unless there something changes. I never said they were failures mate, far from it ....they imo should all be in the squad/team and the fact they aren't will ultimately be his downfall |
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Post by dadofsam on Apr 23, 2017 9:35:47 GMT
[quote I take your point that ultimately the signings are down to Hughes... But really, how many of Hughes signings have been busted? Bony and Imbula?[/quote]
I'm afraid we may be adding Berahino to that list - and it's not just signings it's contract extensions.
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Post by werrington on Apr 23, 2017 9:39:31 GMT
I struggle to see what Bony could do that is worse than berhaino at the moment I struggle to see what Imbula could do that is worse than allen, Adam or Whelan Why are people pointing all this at Berahino? Crouch was rancid ( again ) Walters has an occasional good game and all whilst our top scorer at centre forward only never to play there again and a bloke on £80k per week are nowhere to be seen Berahino has been here THREE months and he gets all the stink whilst others go under the radar and they have all been pivotal in where we are now |
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 23, 2017 9:45:22 GMT
I hear you mate, but I don't think Bojan and Diouf have been failures to be honest. Bony and Imbula, yes, agreed. My biggest issue is Imbula, he spent 18 mil on him, and he clearly isn't going to make it, unless there something changes. I never said they were failures mate, far from it ....they imo should all be in the squad/team and the fact they aren't will ultimately be his downfall Take Bojan as an example then. He struggled to find form when given the opportunity, that much was obvious. Hughes couldn't keep selecting him in the hope he'd get going. Bojan was benched, and wasn't happy about it, but the player must be responsible for his own performances, in a bid to keep him happy and in hope that game time would help him rediscover his form, Hughes agrees to loan him out, probably under pressure from the player saying "I want to play, here or somewhere else, but I need to play". I just don't see what else Hughes was meant to do with him. |
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Post by werrington on Apr 23, 2017 9:50:18 GMT
I never said they were failures mate, far from it ....they imo should all be in the squad/team and the fact they aren't will ultimately be his downfall Take Bojan as an example then. He struggled to find form when given the opportunity, that much was obvious. Hughes couldn't keep selecting him in the hope he'd get going. Bojan was benched, and wasn't happy about it, but the player must be responsible for his own performances, in a bid to keep him happy and in hope that game time would help him rediscover his form, Hughes agrees to loan him out, probably under pressure from the player saying "I want to play, here or somewhere else, but I need to play". I just don't see what else Hughes was meant to do with him. He was thrown under the bus at the Wolves game mate It was always him replaced no matter what and for me the Leicester game was the one that proved that ...he was superb but inexplicably replaced and the rest is history |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 23, 2017 9:57:51 GMT
Bony looked like a player who was.going to hold the ball up well, and get 8-9 goals a season, which is as much as we can expect from any striker here when you have wingers who take ten minutes to decide if they are putting a cross in, then decide just to pass backwards.
The problem is the whole ethos of the team, and the personnel in midfield and the flank areas, not the strikers
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