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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 22, 2017 20:04:32 GMT
I think when he took over at stoke he had been left a decent squad
Which makes me wonder what he would be like if he took over a club without a decent squad and without the fall back position of relying on the previous managers signings
For example, a club like qpr
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Post by crownmeking on Apr 22, 2017 20:07:15 GMT
Lets not forget the first two and half seasons. The speed with which he turned us into a more dynamic football side and recognised the players that Tone had on a leash could actually play was staggering. Three 9th place finishes wont be bettered soon either. 8.5 for me and a generous round of applause whenever he comes back. Hate to break it to you, but he hasn't gone anywhere yet, and isn't likely to in the short term.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 20:09:08 GMT
8. As frustrated as I am right now he still has enough credit in the bank to start the next season
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 22, 2017 20:17:05 GMT
It's a shame that he's lost his way this season, because his first three years (well, perhaps two and a half years) were great.
I remain stubbornly hopeful that he can find something to build on over the final 4 games.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 22, 2017 20:24:36 GMT
8
There's no denying that he's brought us on as a club with the likes of Arnie, Affelay ect but hrs also relied heavily on the core group of players that were already here when he joined (Whelan, Walters, Shawcross, Butland, Nzonzi ect)
That core group over the past 2 seasons have either not been available through injury or age is catching up with them and it's shown. Hughes' biggest task is to start to rebuild the core of the team because we can't rely of Whelan ams Walters week in week out now.
He's definitely built upon when he inherited but I'm not sure whether he can rebuild our core group.
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Post by liamo on Apr 22, 2017 20:37:46 GMT
It's hard to find a word for it, disheartening maybe? We looked really good when he started bringing players in and putting his team together, we retained some of that Pulis grit but actually played football and looked dangerous going forward, some games we lost but it didn't matter because he had the balls to have a go
That's the difference between then and now, you get the feeling he had everything to gain and nothing to lose when he got the Stoke job and he went for it, balls out full on ferocious attacking play, our games were open and enjoyable because we had a go, now it looks like he's shitting bricks every time we play, like he's a man who is setting up so cautiously because he's scared and has everything to lose
It's sad because he looked to really be on to something... then something happened around the time we got knocked out of the league cup at Liverpool, i don't know what but we shifted from exciting balls out football to slow and steady, like someone who's had a near death experience and won't go near the water anymore
We stopped playing our exciting players and favoured the trusted oldschool, he started to lose confidence in 4-2-3-1 and we've been in limbo ever since, swapping and changing players and formation on a wim, not really knowing our identity anymore
Teams actually didn't want to play us because they were afraid of being outplayed, just let that sink in, big teams were shit scared of playing Stoke because we were dangerous and not dangerous in a rugby way for once
So yeah, all in all i'd rate Hughes as 30% brilliant and 70% coward
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Post by robstokie on Apr 22, 2017 21:05:02 GMT
9 for the first 2.5 seasons (up till Liverpool Semi), 5 since, so overall that's a 7. Promised much, never delivered and we have drifted backwards over the last 15 months. Still, 3 9th place finishes (2 on a relative shoestring) is worthy of credit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 21:29:39 GMT
1st season: Very good! 2nd season: Very good! 3d season: A small step backwards 4th season: Simply not good enough! Very difficult to argue with this. Whether he gets the sack in the Summer is open to debate but I really think he'll be gone by Christmas. Somethings wrong at the club and I fear this will carry on into next season. We need a fresh start.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 23, 2017 19:44:19 GMT
9 for the first 2.5 seasons (up till Liverpool Semi), 5 since, so overall that's a 7. Promised much, never delivered and we have drifted backwards over the last 15 months. Still, 3 9th place finishes (2 on a relative shoestring) is worthy of credit. 9 * 2.5 + 5 * 1.5 = 30 / 4 = 7.5
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Post by Glory Hunter on Apr 23, 2017 19:50:33 GMT
It's not been great this year, but has been for previous 3 years. Coates will do his performance review and encourage and fund him to do better next term. We can help. By being the supporters we profess to be.
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Post by robstokie on Apr 23, 2017 20:24:35 GMT
9 for the first 2.5 seasons (up till Liverpool Semi), 5 since, so overall that's a 7. Promised much, never delivered and we have drifted backwards over the last 15 months. Still, 3 9th place finishes (2 on a relative shoestring) is worthy of credit. 9 * 2.5 + 5 * 1.5 = 30 / 4 = 7.5 C'mon man... I failed GCSE Maths twice. Smart and Arse are two words that come to mind
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Post by jarhead on Apr 23, 2017 21:48:31 GMT
8. As frustrated as I am right now he still has enough credit in the bank to start the next season This, well said
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Post by duckling on Apr 23, 2017 23:57:49 GMT
If Hughes' Stoke career were to end this season, how would you rate him relative to Pulis?
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Post by thegift on Apr 24, 2017 0:35:05 GMT
2 and thats being generous. Never wanted him in charge in the first place
TP is a legend
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Apr 24, 2017 4:10:16 GMT
With Sunderland and Boro being replaced by Brighton and Newcastle - which 3 teams will finish below us next year?
Hull - beat us in the cup Swansea - beat us Burnley - beat us
Yikes!!!!!
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2017 6:02:39 GMT
Took over a stable, well-organised setup and turned it into an omni-shambles. Oh dear. Never mind, you got a like from Toxic's chief cheerleader. What a pathetic post march.
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Post by lancashirelad on Apr 24, 2017 7:20:36 GMT
8 on average but was a 10 a couple of years ago.
As said above the last 15 months we have gone backwards since the Liverpool semi and Imbula signing which looked like another step forward but has taken us backwards.
He is limping to the end of this season then hopefully a revamp and try to bring the right balance of players and not just people he thinks can play the dead No. 10 role or centre back who can play tippy tappy.
Also add a new coaching staff member who he trusts for NEW ideas and can see the weaknesses.
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Post by greyman on Apr 24, 2017 8:45:57 GMT
2 and thats being generous. Never wanted him in charge in the first place TP is a legend And there we have it. Why Hughes or any other manager will never stand a chance with some 'supporters'. The people who think one man is bigger than the club.
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Post by skip on Apr 24, 2017 9:55:21 GMT
Regardless of the final league position this year, if you had a showreel of the Best Of highlights of Hughes' signings, with the exception of Crouch's wonder goal against Man City, they knock Team Pulis into a cocked hat. It's such a shame that there hasn't been a consistent first XI or system. I'm genuinely saddened that Bojan is on loan, and the Waving Cat too come to that, and that Bony hasn't clicked (or been played) and so on.
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Post by mattface on Apr 24, 2017 10:04:50 GMT
Regardless of the final league position this year, if you had a showreel of the Best Of highlights of Hughes' signings, with the exception of Crouch's wonder goal against Man City, they knock Team Pulis into a cocked hat. It's such a shame that there hasn't been a consistent first XI or system. I'm genuinely saddened that Bojan is on loan, and the Waving Cat too come to that, and that Bony hasn't clicked (or been played) and so on. There in lies the problem, I'm not sure Hughes knows how to get the best out of the squad he has put together. There have been some great times, performance, goals etc during the first 3 seasons - all sadly lacking this one. Maybe it is time for a change - just glad I don't have to make it
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Post by greyman on Apr 24, 2017 10:48:37 GMT
Regardless of the final league position this year, if you had a showreel of the Best Of highlights of Hughes' signings, with the exception of Crouch's wonder goal against Man City, they knock Team Pulis into a cocked hat. It's such a shame that there hasn't been a consistent first XI or system. I'm genuinely saddened that Bojan is on loan, and the Waving Cat too come to that, and that Bony hasn't clicked (or been played) and so on. There in lies the problem, I'm not sure Hughes knows how to get the best out of the squad he has put together. There have been some great times, performance, goals etc during the first 3 seasons - all sadly lacking this one. Maybe it is time for a change - just glad I don't have to make it The issue is that it's hard to understand why he's lost his way so badly. I've yet top hear anybody come up with a proper explanation of why things have gone so wrong with him. He just seems to have no idea at the moment. I can't recall us putting out the same team in the same formation at any point over this past year.
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Post by skip on Apr 24, 2017 21:56:26 GMT
There in lies the problem, I'm not sure Hughes knows how to get the best out of the squad he has put together. There have been some great times, performance, goals etc during the first 3 seasons - all sadly lacking this one. Maybe it is time for a change - just glad I don't have to make it The issue is that it's hard to understand why he's lost his way so badly. I've yet top hear anybody come up with a proper explanation of why things have gone so wrong with him. He just seems to have no idea at the moment. I can't recall us putting out the same team in the same formation at any point over this past year. Maybe this season is the one where he tests the mixture of the new and the old? It's the only explanation I can think of.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 24, 2017 22:15:18 GMT
6, took what we had and improved on it, played some really nice football, but once the team became more his own it started to go badly wrong and I can only see it going one way.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2017 22:22:13 GMT
Four seasons,started well but most by then were against Pullis so we thought this is refreshing,Second season same as first,third and fourth poor .This season may be the lowest points tally,our away form is dire . Signings Pieters average at best. Johnson passed best. Ireland no comment Given. no comment Wolly. no comment Hagland even Wigan don't want him. Bardesly not let us down. Grant. Very good Bruno. Very good worried he has not been signed up. Bojan Manager did not now where and when to play him. Muni Could be good if given a extended run in one position. Arnie. For 2.5 million good buy. Allen. 13 million average at best. Imbula 18 million was of space. Shack 12 million good when he wants. Sohbi 5 million MH does no fancy him. WBA striker 12 million why. l have missed a few as I am on my way out. How could you forget Bony, Shea and Teixiera? Pieters was a Pulis recruit.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2017 22:22:36 GMT
I think when he took over at stoke he had been left a decent squad Which makes me wonder what he would be like if he took over a club without a decent squad and without the fall back position of relying on the previous managers signings For example, a club like qpr Behave
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 22:22:47 GMT
It's hard to find a word for it, disheartening maybe? We looked really good when he started bringing players in and putting his team together, we retained some of that Pulis grit but actually played football and looked dangerous going forward, some games we lost but it didn't matter because he had the balls to have a go That's the difference between then and now, you get the feeling he had everything to gain and nothing to lose when he got the Stoke job and he went for it, balls out full on ferocious attacking play, our games were open and enjoyable because we had a go, now it looks like he's shitting bricks every time we play, like he's a man who is setting up so cautiously because he's scared and has everything to lose It's sad because he looked to really be on to something... then something happened around the time we got knocked out of the league cup at Liverpool, i don't know what but we shifted from exciting balls out football to slow and steady, like someone who's had a near death experience and won't go near the water anymore We stopped playing our exciting players and favoured the trusted oldschool, he started to lose confidence in 4-2-3-1 and we've been in limbo ever since, swapping and changing players and formation on a wim, not really knowing our identity anymore Teams actually didn't want to play us because they were afraid of being outplayed, just let that sink in, big teams were shit scared of playing Stoke because we were dangerous and not dangerous in a rugby way for once So yeah, all in all i'd rate Hughes as 30% brilliant and 70% coward Absolutely spot on. I would fucking love to know why though.
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Post by Davef on Apr 24, 2017 22:23:18 GMT
How was Pieters a Pulis recruit?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 24, 2017 22:25:46 GMT
How was Pieters a Pulis recruit? He was signing before Hughes got here.
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Post by Davef on Apr 24, 2017 22:27:51 GMT
How was Pieters a Pulis recruit? He was signing before Hughes got here. Doesn't mean it was a Pulis signing. Shea and Butland were both signed during his tenure but it's pretty common knowledge that he had little or nothing to do with their moves.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2017 22:36:31 GMT
8, anything less than a 7 is harsh currently but it'll be 6 if he stays and next season is as bad as expected!
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