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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 22, 2017 16:51:47 GMT
Can we really blame Hughes for constantly shit performances by players? Can Hughes cross the Ball for Johnson or head the ball for Berahino? Can he take a decent penalty under pressure for Arnie? Or has Hughes lost the dressing room entirely to cause this under performing? I honestly don't know who to blame for this shit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 16:52:34 GMT
If it's one or two players, you can blame the players.
When it's 8 or 9 players, whilst others are being omitted for little reason, you can probably blame the manager.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 16:53:13 GMT
Both need to up their game. The manager is the fall guy though it's how it will always be.....
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 22, 2017 16:56:29 GMT
Ultimately the manager carries the can in my opinion. He decides who plays, the system to be played and what players we need when replacements are required. The players must of course step-up but they do not decide the tactics.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Apr 22, 2017 16:58:58 GMT
Even if Stoke scored those chances, Do you think Stoke deserves to win? for me NO, Swan. were fighting for each ball while Stoke players were sleeping.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 17:01:38 GMT
It's the manager.
All good teams need direction no matter what line of business you are in.
Players are shithouses in the fact that they will down tools if they don't believe in what their manager is telling them to do. It's up to the manager to stop them from being shithouses.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 22, 2017 17:03:33 GMT
Can we really blame Hughes for constantly shit performances by players? Can Hughes cross the Ball for Johnson or head the ball for Berahino? Can he take a decent penalty under pressure for Arnie? Or has Hughes lost the dressing room entirely to cause this under performing? I honestly don't know who to blame for this shit. I see your point but Why is Johnson in the side when he has been shit all season ? Even worse we are now stuck with him for next season Would any other prem manager have touched Berahino with a barge pole ? Why is our play so slow ? Why is Pieters always in the team when he is struggling ? Why do we regularly concede soft goals when we never used to ? Why do other teams look fitter ? Of course the players have a responsibilty but there are a lot of decisions there that are down to the manager
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Post by liamo on Apr 22, 2017 17:06:28 GMT
Simple way to look at it...
Look at the talent we have here, should we be higher up the table?
If yes then it's obviously Hughes
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Post by redwhite on Apr 22, 2017 17:06:52 GMT
Hughes picks the team, Hughes picks the system, Hughes watches that system completely fail, Hughes, with the power to change the system and the team, does neither.
He's lost it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 17:59:38 GMT
The squad is a shambles!
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Post by harrysburrow on Apr 22, 2017 18:04:25 GMT
If his team talks and training sessions are as inspiring as his interviews then no wonder it's all as flat as a kipper.
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Post by jzime on Apr 22, 2017 18:06:20 GMT
The manager picks the players, buys the players, sells and loans out the other player, picks the formation and tactics, decides how we train.
When we are consistently poor, consistently concede from set-pieces, consistently disjointed because we change the formation literally every week and also have an £18 million signing not even making the matchday squad most weeks, and players out on loan who are capable of scoring against Barcelona and Real Madrid, or Bayern Munich, I'd say it's all on the manager.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 22, 2017 18:10:15 GMT
If Tesco start losing market share and profits tumble who carries the can? All the store managers/staff? Or the CEO who decides where to open/close stores, decides whether to go head to head against Lidl or Waitrose, who decides if on line shopping/home delivery is the way forward?
Only difference is the "store managers" at SCFC get paid more than the boss.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 22, 2017 18:20:15 GMT
Can we really blame Hughes for constantly shit performances by players? Can Hughes cross the Ball for Johnson or head the ball for Berahino? Can he take a decent penalty under pressure for Arnie? Or has Hughes lost the dressing room entirely to cause this under performing? I honestly don't know who to blame for this shit. I blame the users of the Oatcake, the 21st Century, social media, not getting enough sleep, Talksport and the nearness {or otherwise} of the moon. The inventors of the game Frustration. And supermarkets. Seriously though... it's shared responsibility. Coates employed Hughes. Hughes buys players and picks them. Players shit out. Simple. Sack Hughes. No, not for me. It's football, individual let downs but today wasn't any shade of shit in my eyes, who you gonna call? KTF
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Post by liquidlen on Apr 22, 2017 18:26:07 GMT
I dont to watch these sort of performances next season. We really need a change in management because sadly I don't think it can possibly improve under Hughes. Let him go this summer with his dignity and reputation intact. Best this way.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 22, 2017 18:27:31 GMT
THE PLAYERS
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 22, 2017 18:30:01 GMT
Can we really blame Hughes for constantly shit performances by players? Can Hughes cross the Ball for Johnson or head the ball for Berahino? Can he take a decent penalty under pressure for Arnie? Or has Hughes lost the dressing room entirely to cause this under performing? I honestly don't know who to blame for this shit. He still plays them even after constantly shit performances, the fault lies with Hughes.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 22, 2017 18:31:12 GMT
Both to blame but players don't get the sack. The players should hang their heads in shame today, they've probably got their manager the sack.
It was too horrific for words but ultimately Hughes lunatic transfer dealings will do for him and hopefully fucking Cartwright and Scholes as well.
It needs to be root and branch, Pete.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 18:35:59 GMT
Players...even they would admit that!!
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 22, 2017 18:37:09 GMT
It's Hughes. They are his fucking players.
15 million on Berahino? Looks like the latest bucket load of money he's pissed up the wall. Useless and certainly no better than Diouf.
He needs to go.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 22, 2017 18:37:23 GMT
Players...even they would admit that!! Whose players are they?
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 22, 2017 18:37:38 GMT
Who signed those players?
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 22, 2017 18:39:23 GMT
Manager has ultimate responsibility, that can't be argued.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 22, 2017 18:41:42 GMT
Who signed those players? and decides who plays where, develops them & motivates them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 18:48:41 GMT
Hughes Signs the players, is responsible for training the players, he coaches the players, he picks the players to play and sit on the bench, he makes the substitutions. Apart from last weekend his substitutions usually cost us points rather than consolidate the game.
So all in all I would say it is Hughes
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 22, 2017 18:54:46 GMT
Who signed those players? and decides who plays where, develops them & motivates them. Well there were plenty of comments on today's thread and many others before today, criticising the players not getting the basics right, AND also questioning their basic effort. These are professional fuckin footballers not a bunch of 10 year olds. To lay it all at Hughes' door is just bang wrong. Our bunch of so called 'professionals' get off far too lightly
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 18:55:10 GMT
The players have been total garbage.
But it seems that Hughes can't get them motivated or structured.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 22, 2017 19:07:52 GMT
and decides who plays where, develops them & motivates them. Well there were plenty of comments on today's thread and many others before today, criticising the players not getting the basics right, AND also questioning their basic effort. These are professional fuckin footballers not a bunch of 10 year olds. To lay it all at Hughes' door is just bang wrong. Our bunch of so called 'professionals' get off far too lightly Don't disagree the players get an easy ride, Chelsea and Leicester have recently been examples of 'player power'. But at the end of the day the buck stops with the manager. It's his head on the block if it goes wrong as he well knows.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 22, 2017 19:15:11 GMT
Well there were plenty of comments on today's thread and many others before today, criticising the players not getting the basics right, AND also questioning their basic effort. These are professional fuckin footballers not a bunch of 10 year olds. To lay it all at Hughes' door is just bang wrong. Our bunch of so called 'professionals' get off far too lightly Don't disagree the players get an easy ride, Chelsea and Leicester have recently been examples of 'player power'. But at the end of the day the buck stops with the manager. It's his head on the block if it goes wrong as he well knows. Sadly you're right.....it will never ever ever change - mores the pity. There's a few in our squad I would gladly give a P45 to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 19:16:31 GMT
The players have to take some blame. The manager takes a lot of it for not realising how shit our midfield is and playing with only 2 in the middle. One problem compliments the other.
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