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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 16, 2017 11:28:29 GMT
The amount of criticism Mark Hughes and the club gets is totally unjust. Time to be realistic. There's been periods of frustration over the last couple of years as with every club, but overall Mark Hughes has moved us on to another level from 4 seasons ago. As for his signings, vast majority are a success. Even Sir Alex got some transfers badly wrong... We have the nucleus of a squad and first 11 that can challenge for the top 8 with 2-3 top class additions which I am sure we have the budget for. Yet people calling for Walters to go, or Shaq to go. We need a few off the books no doubt, but who's to say this isn't planned? Let's start supporting them all rather than being ungrateful for being 9th in the Prem and having Swiss internationals score 30 yarders. There aren't many better managers available that could do more with us than Hughes. He will know what we need to do for next season. And if people really think Ranieri can come in and do a better job have a look at yourself. ( And yes I know 'he' won the league with Leicester, it was a fluke.) "Time to be realistic". It's not a fluke if you win the Premier League by a ten point margin with a club like Leicester. It's a bloody fantastic achievement. "As for his signings, the vast majority are a success". If you're going to be realistic, you should know that that's a very questionable statement. As for being "ungrateful for being 9th". I don't think anybody is. I think the criticism of Hughes has been about his line-ups, tactics, substitutions, a lot of boring football, mismanagement of certain players and so on. "There aren't many better managers available that could do more with us than Hughes." As depressing as it is to say it, you're probably right. I doubt that will stop Coates from having a look, though. You never know, there might be a manager who isn't currently available who, for a price, might be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 13:03:24 GMT
6 th place is out of reach. Accept it. For your own sanity.
8th, doable.
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Post by jonnynico on Apr 16, 2017 14:46:17 GMT
As bad as hughes is (supposedly)and as bad as stoke are there are only 10 teams in the whole of England that are better than stoke at the moment. Its not too long ago when a lot would be happy with 17th, be happy that we are where we are.
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 16, 2017 14:57:59 GMT
There's been a few more than that this season otherwise my post may have been different. Who have the wins been against again??
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Post by yamyampotter on Apr 16, 2017 15:02:32 GMT
There's been a few more than that this season otherwise my post may have been different. Who have the wins been against again?? Do you get more points for a win depending on who it's against then?
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 16, 2017 15:17:32 GMT
Who have the wins been against again?? Do you get more points for a win depending on who it's against then? No but it shows that we are currently relying on beating shit, championship bound teams to stay above water!! Alot of them wins have been unvonvincing to say the least. This season has been boring, uninspiring tripe for the majority but we have been poor since January last year. Things have gone stale and its time for a change. 3 points in all of our remaining games will not change my mind unfortunately. I wont slag anyone off for thinking differently however, i wanted Hughes to prove that he was the man to take us to the next level but I feel he isn't the man for the job.
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Post by stokie1954 on Apr 16, 2017 15:26:39 GMT
The amount of criticism Mark Hughes and the club gets is totally unjust. Time to be realistic. There's been periods of frustration over the last couple of years as with every club, but overall Mark Hughes has moved us on to another level from 4 seasons ago. As for his signings, vast majority are a success. Even Sir Alex got some transfers badly wrong... We have the nucleus of a squad and first 11 that can challenge for the top 8 with 2-3 top class additions which I am sure we have the budget for. Yet people calling for Walters to go, or Shaq to go. We need a few off the books no doubt, but who's to say this isn't planned? Let's start supporting them all rather than being ungrateful for being 9th in the Prem and having Swiss internationals score 30 yarders. There aren't many better managers available that could do more with us than Hughes. He will know what we need to do for next season. And if people really think Ranieri can come in and do a better job have a look at yourself. ( And yes I know 'he' won the league with Leicester, it was a fluke.) What a load of old bollocks. How is the criticism unjust when the bloke has spent big money and we are actually going backwards.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 16, 2017 15:30:15 GMT
We're not far off being an excellent side if we can address the right spots. We have some good youngsters too who will hopefully start breaking through in the next couple of seasons. For me if we could start next season with an 11 like this well be doing well Butland New RB Ryan Indi (fingers crossed) New LB Allen New DM Sobhi Shaq Arni Berahino That's exactly the team I want to see.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 15:34:33 GMT
We're not far off being an excellent side if we can address the right spots. We have some good youngsters too who will hopefully start breaking through in the next couple of seasons. For me if we could start next season with an 11 like this well be doing well Butland New RB Ryan Indi (fingers crossed) New LB Allen New DM Sobhi Shaq Arni Berahino That's exactly the team I want to see. Do we think Berahino will work on his own up front?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 16, 2017 15:39:54 GMT
That's exactly the team I want to see. Do we think Berahino will work on his own up front? If he doesn't then he'll need to be replaced. We need to be building the team around the '3' of Arnie, Shaqiri and Ramadan, not splitting it up (or even simply giving it a go) so that Berahino has got a strike partner.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 15:45:18 GMT
Do we think Berahino will work on his own up front? If he doesn't then he'll need to be replaced. We need to be building the team around the '3' of Arnie, Shaqiri and Ramadan, not splitting it up (or even simply giving it a go) so that Berahino has got a strike partner. I've got my doubts and if he can't play as the lone striker then it's another chunk of money Hughes has wasted. Early signs are that he's going to struggle in that role but it's early days and hopefully he can adjust his game to suit. He just doesn't look like the line leading centre forward that we've been craving for so long.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 16, 2017 15:58:14 GMT
He's ticked all your boxes in his first 3 full seasons. As usual people like you cannot name a suitable replacement that Coates would go for. To be honest mate you're just making up a load of shit. The facts are Stoke would need to spend major money to get near the top 6. Coates won't do that. "As usual people like you cannot name a suitable replacement" I clearly stated I know who I'd like to go for but it's not upto me and don't even know how realistic it would be. No point chucking names about as Hughes will still be here next year. Tell us then, what harm can it do?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 16, 2017 16:01:27 GMT
If he doesn't then he'll need to be replaced. We need to be building the team around the '3' of Arnie, Shaqiri and Ramadan, not splitting it up (or even simply giving it a go) so that Berahino has got a strike partner. I've got my doubts and if he can't play as the lone striker then it's another chunk of money Hughes has wasted. Early signs are that he's going to struggle in that role but it's early days and hopefully he can adjust his game to suit. He just doesn't look like the line leading centre forward that we've been craving for so long. This is my major issue with Hughes ... he seems to buy players on a whim without any consideration of how they're going to fit into a formation. Here we are with just a handful of games left to play this season and he clearly still hasn't got the foggiest idea what his best formation is. He's still changing it week to week hoping on stumbling on something - I find that worrying.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 16, 2017 16:07:57 GMT
He's had some good times here but it's time for a change. We need to look to the future as much as we look back. The fact is I do worry about a Mark Hughes led Stoke City next season, as I can't see it improving on this season (which has been pretty dull).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 16:12:52 GMT
I've got my doubts and if he can't play as the lone striker then it's another chunk of money Hughes has wasted. Early signs are that he's going to struggle in that role but it's early days and hopefully he can adjust his game to suit. He just doesn't look like the line leading centre forward that we've been craving for so long. This is my major issue with Hughes ... he seems to buy players on a whim without any consideration of how they're going to fit into a formation. Here we are with just a handful of games left to play this season and he clearly still hasn't got the foggiest idea what his best formation is. He's still changing it week to week hoping on stumbling on something - I find that worrying. Agree with that 100% Hughes has been here long enough now and should have settled on a formation and bought players in to suit this formation. I don't see it getting any better if he stays next season and if I were in charge there is no way I would be trusting him to spend another chunk of my money.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 16:17:59 GMT
Tell us then, what harm can it do? I'd prefer English but struggle to think of anybody I'd want other than Eddie Howe and I'm not overly keen on him so I'd try Frank de Boer. Could potentially be a great move, on the other hand no prem experience could cost us dearly. Changing manager is always a risk. You just have to weigh up whether that risk is worth taking or not. In my opinion it's definitely worth taking because I'm positive that there are managers out there who could get a better tune out of this squad and judging by Hughes' spending recently there will be men out there who could spend Coates' money better as well.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 16, 2017 16:18:37 GMT
Do we think Berahino will work on his own up front? If he doesn't then he'll need to be replaced. We need to be building the team around the '3' of Arnie, Shaqiri and Ramadan, not splitting it up (or even simply giving it a go) so that Berahino has got a strike partner. So why did we buy another striker who does better in a front 2? That's Diouf, Joselu and Berahino that Hughes has signed, now. If we insist on 4-2-3-1 surely we need a Crouch replacement?
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 16, 2017 16:21:15 GMT
People whinge about Hughes and not coaching defence then come up with Eddie Howe. They should take a look how many goals B'mouth have conceded these past two seasons in the PL.
FdB? Maybe. Could be another Koeman, could be another Boskamp.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 16, 2017 16:22:40 GMT
If he doesn't then he'll need to be replaced. We need to be building the team around the '3' of Arnie, Shaqiri and Ramadan, not splitting it up (or even simply giving it a go) so that Berahino has got a strike partner. So why did we buy another striker who does better in a front 2? That's Diouf, Joselu and Berahino that Hughes has signed, now. If we insist on 4-2-3-1 surely we need a Crouch replacement? Because (and as I said earlier) Hughes appears to buy players on a whim without any apparent consideration of how they are going to fit into a system.
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Post by sonichuth on Apr 16, 2017 17:12:01 GMT
Yep, and more threads like this appear when we pick up the points against Swansea or Bournemouth or West Ham.
A good win yesterday, and important one. But you can't pretend it's undone any of people's reasons to be unhappy with how this season has gone. Thankfully our goals were belters, and we created more chances than we usually do, so we've gone happy on the whole, but f**k me everything from about 20-66 minutes was dross. Hull were making mugs of us, and better wingers would have sent Johnson and Pieters into an early retirement.
It was a whole season in a game really. The best of it involved Arnie and Shaq, Crouchy popped up when we needed him, but so much of it was dull, one-paced and uninspired. The initial system was awful, and showed up our wing-backs massively, and the midfield was non-existant. Oh, let me drive Adam to his next club.
That said - Hughes made a good double sub (booing baffled me - why be upset that a shite system was being changed?) and those goals will live long in the memory. We got the points and that's why we're here.
Yet, a win against a poor away side doesn't undo the facts that -Hughes doesn't know his best system (STILL), our defence is too slow and unsure of itself, -our midfielders were an out of sorts Geoff Cameron, a really out of sorts Charlie Adam and centre-half Marc Muniesa with our record signing now officially being shown the door, -we have no number 10, -Saido looks completely shot for confidence and we're spending the last third of the season trying to get him to find it to the detriment of the team, -our best strikers are about 150 years old
Fortunately, Shaq and Arnie sprinkled enough stardust to fuel some optimism. By god we've missed Shaq, what a player. Even in games where he's quiet he produces stuff for us, so when he's really on form like yesterday he's worth the admission fee on his own.
At 1-1 yesterday, I really worried. The stadium was as tense and as tetchy as I've experienced in a long time, and that uncertainty was coming from the pitch as well (see Lee and Erik's little spat). So yeah, still some gloom and doom here. Doesn't mean I didn't go berserk at our third or not punch the air with delight at full time. It seems to me that Stoke fans' need to be proven to be a 'better fan' outweighs actually having a discussion. Voice a dissenting opinion and you're labelled a plastic, JCL, etc by a Radio Stoke caller. I'm just as much a fan as anyone, a Stoke goal makes me as happy as anyone else, but I'm still entitled to be critical of the management team.
I am grateful for the fact we have some great players and another year in the PL has been secured, however I'm a long way from happy with the direction Hughes has taken us pretty much ever since the Anfield semi final.
A good win yesterday, I hope it's the springboard for something. If we can produce good performances in our remaining games maybe I'll come round to 'Hughes in Happy Clapper', but I'm not there yet.
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Apr 16, 2017 17:25:26 GMT
Its been a tough season. Yes Mark Hughes has made mistakes and some of the players could of performed better. If fans want MH out. Who would come in with the amount the owners can spend and the size of club - and do any better. A good summer transfer window is needed with a few players going. If we get that right, next season should be more consistent.
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Post by 3putts on Apr 16, 2017 17:28:24 GMT
The amount of criticism Mark Hughes and the club gets is totally unjust. Time to be realistic. There's been periods of frustration over the last couple of years as with every club, but overall Mark Hughes has moved us on to another level from 4 seasons ago. As for his signings, vast majority are a success. Even Sir Alex got some transfers badly wrong... We have the nucleus of a squad and first 11 that can challenge for the top 8 with 2-3 top class additions which I am sure we have the budget for. Yet people calling for Walters to go, or Shaq to go. We need a few off the books no doubt, but who's to say this isn't planned? Let's start supporting them all rather than being ungrateful for being 9th in the Prem and having Swiss internationals score 30 yarders. There aren't many better managers available that could do more with us than Hughes. He will know what we need to do for next season. And if people really think Ranieri can come in and do a better job have a look at yourself. ( And yes I know 'he' won the league with Leicester, it was a fluke.) well said sir
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 17:29:49 GMT
Depends on people's outlook I guess. I came away from yesterday's game buzzing about 3 absolutely superb goals that were worth the entrance fee alone, yet some people were walking away saying we we were utter shite. Each to their own....
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Post by 3putts on Apr 16, 2017 17:31:25 GMT
The amount of criticism Mark Hughes and the club gets is totally unjust. Time to be realistic. There's been periods of frustration over the last couple of years as with every club, but overall Mark Hughes has moved us on to another level from 4 seasons ago. As for his signings, vast majority are a success. Even Sir Alex got some transfers badly wrong... We have the nucleus of a squad and first 11 that can challenge for the top 8 with 2-3 top class additions which I am sure we have the budget for. Yet people calling for Walters to go, or Shaq to go. We need a few off the books no doubt, but who's to say this isn't planned? Let's start supporting them all rather than being ungrateful for being 9th in the Prem and having Swiss internationals score 30 yarders. There aren't many better managers available that could do more with us than Hughes. He will know what we need to do for next season. And if people really think Ranieri can come in and do a better job have a look at yourself. ( And yes I know 'he' won the league with Leicester, it was a fluke.) "Time to be realistic". It's not a fluke if you win the Premier League by a ten point margin with a club like Leicester. It's a bloody fantastic achievement. "As for his signings, the vast majority are a success". If you're going to be realistic, you should know that that's a very questionable statement. As for being "ungrateful for being 9th". I don't think anybody is. I think the criticism of Hughes has been about his line-ups, tactics, substitutions, a lot of boring football, mismanagement of certain players and so on. "There aren't many better managers available that could do more with us than Hughes." As depressing as it is to say it, you're probably right. I doubt that will stop Coates from having a look, though. You never know, there might be a manager who isn't currently available who, for a price, might be. it was a fluke none of the big 6 challenged last year, i thought spurs were going to make a go of it after they played like barcelona v us but in the next game they played like a pub side.i personaly think that was the best chance spurs will ever have of taking the title.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Apr 16, 2017 17:34:53 GMT
The evidence seems to indicate that Hughes will still be in charge for next season.
Some supporters need to start to recognise this and understand that the one person that matters (Coates) doesn't agree with their narrative.
I understand peoples frustrations but the complete and utter negativity spouted constantly by certain sections of out support is bewildering. You would think we were Leyton Orient based on some of the comments on here and Twitter.
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Post by 3putts on Apr 16, 2017 17:35:02 GMT
i make no apologies for liking mh as a manager. as a player i detested him thought refs let him get away with murder. but as a manager he has certainly won me over. i like his honesty.take a look at the liverpool defeat he could have moaned that liverpool should have been down to ten men but he was honest in his interview stating that we have to keep the ball better.contrast to someone like brendan rogers who would have stated that the pool player never touched him and liverpool should have won that game 6-1. be careful what you wish for
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