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Post by chad on Apr 9, 2017 18:35:36 GMT
Hadn't realised how poor some of the gates had become in the late 80s. In the Sun today the results from this week in 88
Chelsea had 16000. Everton, who were third had 21000 the mighty toon army numbered only 18000. The only other games saw 14000at Coventry 14000 at Saints and 10000 at Watford. Average top flight gate for the day under 16000
Admittedly it was semi final day and some of the bigger clubs didn't play but for all it's many many faults the Premier League doesn't half pull in the crowds
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 9, 2017 22:25:43 GMT
88 semis were Liverpool v Forest and Wimbledon v Luton.
Go back and look at some of the England crowds at Wembo in them days. In fact all the way up to Euro 96 really. And someone on here said when we played Lithuania there was 'only 77,000' there.
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Post by Waggy on Apr 10, 2017 4:57:33 GMT
In 92/93 season when we won the old division 2 , we had crowds of 19-21,000 regulary and were beating or not far off some big teams attenedances. 80's saw low crowds. Think we had some terrible ones . Apart from Man utd , liverpool, spurs and Arsenal most teams suffered a lot
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Post by yoc on Apr 10, 2017 6:35:47 GMT
Saw that myself, maybe due to high hooliganism at the time, not as much interest, pre Prem and Sky?
Saw Hazard was still scoring for Chelsea, iike this weekend, he must be getting on a bit now?
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 10, 2017 7:33:58 GMT
Football fans were the pariahs of the nation before Gazza cried his way into our collective hearts. It's impossible to compare the two different beasts of today & yesterday's football. We were underclass, but kids could pay to watch with their pocket money & stand with their mates in a proper right of passage. I'd walk with my school friends from Wolstanton to Stoke for a night match, at the age of 12...
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 10, 2017 8:14:38 GMT
People forget how much the hooliganism problem put people off going football, and of course the poor state of our stadiums. It's hard to believe we stood behind giant fences in the Boothen Paddock that fucked up the view. There was that unbelievable 3 month spell in 1985 that encompassed the Luton-Millwall riot, the Bradford fire, Birmingham-Leeds riot and the Heysel disaster. Our Black players were getting regular racial abuse from the terraces. That what football was like then. It's not surprising looking back that many people either abandoned the game, or potential support didn't want to know.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 10, 2017 9:52:47 GMT
For me, the biggest change is them London clubs. Apart from Millwall, you can now rock up, drink pretty much where you want & get home without any mither. That facup game at Chelsea a few seasons ago would have been unimaginable. Coming out of the ground & singing defamatory songs about their captain would have caused a riot. I can only imagine that their hardcore nutters have been gerrymandered out of the area.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 10, 2017 10:21:35 GMT
Hadn't realised how poor some of the gates had become in the late 80s. In the Sun today the results from this week in 88 Chelsea had 16000. Everton, who were third had 21000 the mighty toon army numbered only 18000. The only other games saw 14000at Coventry 14000 at Saints and 10000 at Watford. Average top flight gate for the day under 16000 Admittedly it was semi final day and some of the bigger clubs didn't play but for all it's many many faults the Premier League doesn't half pull in the crowds That was when English football was really in the doldrums. Heysel meant English clubs had no European football from 85-90, the Bradford fire disaster was still fresh in people's minds, stadia were increasingly unfit for purpose, hooliganism was rife, the England team was shit and about to be embarrassed at Euro 88. All in all a bit crap. It was all still a long way from Gazza, Italia 90 and then the lad culture of the mid 90s making footballers trend-setters and stars instead of thick thugs, going out with Spice Girls etc. You can argue that Sky and the PL have stitched up football for the super-rich clubs who, Leciester apart, win almost everything between them these days, but as a marketing tool it's been very effective. As a competition, it's dead as a dodo. Stilll, that doesn't appear to stop people turning up in droves these days. |
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Post by alster on Apr 10, 2017 10:42:40 GMT
People forget how much the hooliganism problem put people off going football, and of course the poor state of our stadiums. It's hard to believe we stood behind giant fences in the Boothen Paddock that fucked up the view. There was that unbelievable 3 month spell in 1985 that encompassed the Luton-Millwall riot, the Bradford fire, Birmingham-Leeds riot and the Heysel disaster. Our Black players were getting regular racial abuse from the terraces. That what football was like then. It's not surprising looking back that many people either abandoned the game, or potential support didn't want to know. Watching the game from behind those fences was the biggest most horrendous change in my football supporting life. I went from sitting on the wall in the Butler Street paddock inches away from the players taking throw ins to being treated like a caged animal. It was a really sad time for football and young supporters like myself especially. Totally ruined the matchday experience, never really got that buzz back until I was bigger and we moved to the Boothen end and became a part of that sea of people. |
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Post by lowlands on Apr 10, 2017 12:10:48 GMT
Lowest home attendance for top flight football
4,597 vs Norwich City (24 April 1985) our average attendances that season was 10,500 in a stadium that at the time could accommodate 35,000
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Post by stokiesteve on Apr 10, 2017 19:48:22 GMT
Lowest home attendance for top flight football 4,597 vs Norwich City (24 April 1985) our average attendances that season was 10,500 in a stadium that at the time could accommodate 35,000 I think that's been beaten though hasn't it? Didn't Wimbledon draw a mighty crowd of around 3.5k for a match at their Plough Lane shed once? |
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Post by werrington on Apr 10, 2017 19:51:56 GMT
Lowest home attendance for top flight football 4,597 vs Norwich City (24 April 1985) our average attendances that season was 10,500 in a stadium that at the time could accommodate 35,000 I think that's been beaten though hasn't it? Didn't Wimbledon draw a mighty crowd of around 3.5k for a match at their Plough Lane shed once? It was v Everton or Sheffield Wednesday at Selhurst park I think |
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Post by Davef on Apr 10, 2017 19:55:43 GMT
Lowest home attendance for top flight football 4,597 vs Norwich City (24 April 1985) our average attendances that season was 10,500 in a stadium that at the time could accommodate 35,000 Everybody who's going now was at that Norwich game though.  |
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Post by Waggy on Apr 10, 2017 20:06:13 GMT
Football fans were the pariahs of the nation before Gazza cried his way into our collective hearts. It's impossible to compare the two different beasts of today & yesterday's football. We were underclass, but kids could pay to watch with their pocket money & stand with their mates in a proper right of passage. I'd walk with my school friends from Wolstanton to Stoke for a night match, at the age of 12... Yes at the age if 12 i too would attend, i would pop on a cashmere pullover, jump into the back of fathers cortina, put on a pair of mittens and enter the Butler Street. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 10, 2017 21:45:00 GMT
Younger people reading might find this hard to believe but there was a time when football wasn’t fashionable. In fact, football supporters were pariahs, regarded with disgust and contempt. Walking down a street wearing a football shirt could result in people crossing the road to avoid you and if fathers found out their teenage daughters were dating a football fan it could signal a sudden halt to blossoming love. I remember starting work in 1985 and telling one of my colleagues I was a Stoke fan and attended matches and she nearly dropped her sponge. She shook her head and told me she was surprised because I’d “Seemed such a nice lad”. In the mid 80s football was not something the nation could easily hold close to it’s heart. By 1988 things had started to improve a bit but the stigma took time shed.
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Post by duckling on Apr 10, 2017 22:07:51 GMT
How many clubs went out of existence during that time? If attendance was so poor even in the top tier, how did the lower tiers manage to survive?
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Apr 11, 2017 11:30:30 GMT
How many clubs went out of existence during that time? If attendance was so poor even in the top tier, how did the lower tiers manage to survive? Clubs survived by not spending fortunes on overpaid prima donnas Linkety link |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 11, 2017 11:35:55 GMT
How many clubs went out of existence during that time? If attendance was so poor even in the top tier, how did the lower tiers manage to survive? If a private business performed as badly as some football clubs in that era, then it'd go under. However, no bank wanted to pull the plug on a football club. |
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Apr 11, 2017 12:25:21 GMT
Lowest home attendance for top flight football 4,597 vs Norwich City (24 April 1985) our average attendances that season was 10,500 in a stadium that at the time could accommodate 35,000 I remember reading somewhere it was the lowest top flight crowd outside of Wimbledon since the war. |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 11, 2017 14:49:27 GMT
Lowest home attendance for top flight football 4,597 vs Norwich City (24 April 1985) our average attendances that season was 10,500 in a stadium that at the time could accommodate 35,000 I remember reading somewhere it was the lowest top flight crowd outside of Wimbledon since the war. I believe Arsenal may have had a smaller crowd in the 1960s, if memory serves me correctly. |
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