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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 9, 2017 15:33:47 GMT
When you look at Everton and Leicester now they seem streets apart to us in the way they approach games. Pace, power, entertaining to watch.
I'm convinced that a lot of it is to do with coaching as we have plenty of players Arnie, Sobhi, Shaq, Berahino etc who have the skills to play in that way. Approach is a big thing but if there's 4 things that could get us back on track Id go with
1 - A new manager with new ideas and coaching methods. I hate to say it but a continental like De Boer or Silva from Hull.
2 - A change of formation. 4231 for me with pace / trickery in the front 4 positions. For me we have those players already.
3 - 2 young pacey full backs who can get up and down the pitch for 90 mins.
4 - 2 DMs who sit deep but can see a pass and defend well.
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Post by chuckrocky on Apr 9, 2017 15:48:24 GMT
If Hughes stays then pre-season will be massive. I don't envisage a squad overhaul like many are asking for, it'll be the usual 3/4 players in.
Hughes us got to rip up his normal pre-season template of playing about four games with a different team and system in each game. We need a clear plan and we need to spend the entire Summer working on it.
Hopefully Hughes will forget about this bollocks of his teams starting slowly so they can finish strongly and we can attempt to win some of the first seven games.
Here's hoping the board see sense and make a change in the Summer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 15:53:40 GMT
Most importantly - buy a mobile defensive midfielder, preferably in the mould of a Geoff Cameron with better passing.
-Back to 4231
-Keep BMI
-Keep our top creative attacking players (Bojan/Shaq/Arnie/Ramadan)
-New right back
-clear a few of the over 30s out
-possibly a new young left back to challenge/understudy to erik
Butland
New Signing - Shawcross - BMI - Pieters
Allen - new signing
3 from Shaqiri/Bojan/Arnie/Ramadan
Berahino
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Post by stokie1954 on Apr 9, 2017 16:12:50 GMT
A manager who isn't a clueless, arrogant prick would help!.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 9, 2017 16:20:15 GMT
Identify a way of playing and then buying players who are capable of playing that way. Sounds simple but it's something Hughes hasn't done for a couple of seasons now.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 9, 2017 16:25:25 GMT
This is a difficult question to answer because it is more about the fans expectations. If the new guy comes in and we finish 10th is that considered regression/failure?
I suppose this "next level" or "moving on" is about about enjoying the entertainment on offer? Is there really a better "feeling" for the fans if we finish 8th instead of 11th?
Maybe we already reached the next level
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Post by premiershipteamfor10years on Apr 9, 2017 16:25:36 GMT
One of Mark Hughes' biggest failure has been his inability to sort the defence out.
It lacks pace and solidity and in my opinion this needs addressing more than anything else.
2 x CB's
1 x LB
1 x RB
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Post by StatesideStokie on Apr 9, 2017 16:27:04 GMT
Pace, mobility & fitness throughout the squad.
A massive improvement from set pieces at both ends of the pitch.
Players with the ability to consistently deliver quality crosses from both flanks.
A consistent, balanced and effective partnership in the middle of the park.
A striker capable of delivering the goods when all of the above has been fixed.
A sense of identity and a style of play that has a mix of physicality and flair - ideally the fitness, power and sheer strength of the Pulis years, with the attacking flair that we saw over the first 12 months of Hughes's tenure. Is that asking too much?
There is a lot to fix. Some of it can be accomplished with players who are currently on the books, but we also need significant upgrades in a number of areas. The big question is, who leads the transition? Do we stick with Hughes and hope to God he turns it around, or do we gamble on a new gaffer with fresh ideas and hope to god it doesn't backfire big time? I've got no fucking clue, but whoever is in charge, all of the above needs to happen quickly.
If all of that happens and we can still finish consistently in the top ten, deliver the occasional bloody nose to the "big boys" and have the odd cup run, I'll be happy as a pig in shit.
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Post by liamo on Apr 9, 2017 16:29:37 GMT
Identify a way of playing and then buying players who are capable of playing that way. Sounds simple but it's something Hughes hasn't done for a couple of seasons now. That's the main issue, we're in no man's land not doing anything particularly well, he's frozen creativity out in favour of hard graft because he couldn't make 4-2-3-1 work and he hasn't bought players in to allow us to return to what we're best suited to We've gone stale and he hasn't done enough to fix it |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Apr 9, 2017 16:34:04 GMT
Stick with Hughes & hopes he spends wisely to strengthen the areas we need....and improve.?
Or
1st thing to do is get rid of Hughes & plan with an early managerial appointment?
One or the other, and if Hughes doesn't manage to get the first option right then he doesn't deserve to be Stoke City manager. Simple.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 9, 2017 16:35:02 GMT
Review the effectiveness of our transfer team.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 9, 2017 16:37:44 GMT
Review the effectiveness of our transfer team. 1 million percent. Some of us questioned it from day one. |
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Post by greystokie on Apr 9, 2017 16:43:47 GMT
Most importantly - buy a mobile defensive midfielder, preferably in the mould of a Geoff Cameron with better passing. -Back to 4231 -Keep BMI -Keep our top creative attacking players (Bojan/Shaq/Arnie/Ramadan) -New right back -clear a few of the over 30s out -possibly a new young left back to challenge/understudy to erik Butland New Signing - Shawcross - BMI - Pieters Allen - new signing 3 from Shaqiri/Bojan/Arnie/Ramadan Berahino I agree with that, apart from the Bojan bit - I just don't think he'll ever recover his pre injury form. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 16:57:28 GMT
Most importantly - buy a mobile defensive midfielder, preferably in the mould of a Geoff Cameron with better passing. -Back to 4231 -Keep BMI -Keep our top creative attacking players (Bojan/Shaq/Arnie/Ramadan) -New right back -clear a few of the over 30s out -possibly a new young left back to challenge/understudy to erik Butland New Signing - Shawcross - BMI - Pieters Allen - new signing 3 from Shaqiri/Bojan/Arnie/Ramadan Berahino I agree with that, apart from the Bojan bit - I just don't think he'll ever recover his pre injury form. In my view he did, last season, he was 2nd top scorer. The loss of Butland put more light on our awful defence, and then people like Bojan were weaned out to try and fix that. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 9, 2017 17:01:25 GMT
If Hughes stays then pre-season will be massive. I don't envisage a squad overhaul like many are asking for, it'll be the usual 3/4 players in.
Hughes us got to rip up his normal pre-season template of playing about four games with a different team and system in each game. We need a clear plan and we need to spend the entire Summer working on it. Hopefully Hughes will forget about this bollocks of his teams starting slowly so they can finish strongly and we can attempt to win some of the first seven games. Here's hoping the board see sense and make a change in the Summer. That's right, major overhauls don't happen for 2 reasons: 1. It's impossible to unload the players you don't want, if you don't want them then sure as shit no one else does. 2. The fear of throwing the baby out with the bath water. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 9, 2017 17:15:44 GMT
Get Roberto Mancini as manager he is available
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 17:19:59 GMT
A beast of a defensive midfielder would transform the team overnight.....
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 9, 2017 17:21:00 GMT
Get Roberto Mancini as manager he is available Coates is more of O'Neil/ Moyes type guy I would reckon. Mancini seems exciting when you think about it  |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 9, 2017 17:25:24 GMT
Let players who perform well keep their place , form players should be allowed a run in the team otherwise why will they be arsed to stay motivated. If we want to retain a squad of any quality we have to use it
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Post by StatesideStokie on Apr 9, 2017 17:28:11 GMT
I'm fine with three or four coming in, but the have to be the right players for the right positions, and offer a significant upgrade on what we have. I think the right additions, suited to a system that works for players that we currently have, would go a long way to fixing the underlying issues. We need a massive injection of pace throughout the side, and that should be a pre-requisite for any incoming additions.
Ideally, a massive upgrade on Whelan, two pacy full backs who carry an attacking threat, and either an attacking midfielder who can pull the strings behind Berahino or a big, powerful lump of a target man capable of holding up the ball and also knows where the goal is. Too much to ask?
Those additions, alongside our current goalkeepers, Bruno and Ryan, Allen, Arnie Shaq, Ramadan, Berahino should do the trick.
Would keep a hold of Peiters, Beardsley, Cameron, Affelay and Diouf, and then it's up to Imbula, Bojan and Muniesa to decide if they want to stay and battle it out for a starting place or find a new home.
Honestly, the likes of Adam, Crouch, Walters, Whelan and Johnson have to be shipped out, or at best be told they are squad players and not likely to be starting. They deserve a huge amount of credit for all they've done at this club and should all be recognized for what they have achieved, but it's time to move on.
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Post by lancashirelad on Apr 9, 2017 17:33:01 GMT
His dream of playing the false 9 was great for a month (Dec 15).
Now he appears to have either 442 to fit Berahino or plan B 352 but get proper wing backs. Buy players for a system not fit a system around players who struggle with it.
pace throughout the team, plus reduced the squad age"
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 9, 2017 18:05:45 GMT
Review the effectiveness of our transfer team. 1 million percent. Some of us questioned it from day one. Welcome to the club |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 9, 2017 18:07:33 GMT
1 million percent. Some of us questioned it from day one. Welcome to the club I was a founding member son. |
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Post by richardparker on Apr 9, 2017 18:45:46 GMT
A leader and team spirit to give us some fight.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Apr 9, 2017 18:46:00 GMT
Blue Peter badges for everybody!
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 9, 2017 20:02:15 GMT
Your all over complicating it.
Intensity.
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Post by NassauDave on Apr 9, 2017 20:30:46 GMT
Tin hat on, but here goes:
Hughes to go. The sooner the better.
A big clear out. It could be cruel but it has to happen. Our squad is too old.
A manager with faith in his signings and some tactical nous.
Build a team around players like Arnie, Ramadan, Berahino and Campbell.
A huge thank you to them but these guys now need to move on:
Crouch
Johnson
Whelan
Pieters
Haugaard ( why did we bother?)
Adam
Possible unless he starts to act like a Captain:
Shawcross
The following can either get their fingers out and put a shift in or fuck right off for big money:
Shaq - man up!
Imbulla - stop sulking ffs.
I fear that we will lose Arnie and Ramadan if we carry on as we are.
Bring Bojan back.
Its just an opinion folks!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:44:00 GMT
Pace.
2 decent fullbacks and someone in midfield who can tackle and pass.
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 9, 2017 21:10:44 GMT
One of Mark Hughes' biggest failure has been his inability to sort the defence out. It lacks pace and solidity and in my opinion this needs addressing more than anything else. 2 x CB's 1 x LB 1 x RB So an entire defence then I agree entirely with you. We have 6 full-time defenders at the moment easily the worst in the prem in terms of numbers, 4 of those: Johnson, Bards, Cam and Muni are not good enough at this level - defensively, in my opinion. Although, I do like Cam in centre mid and would love to see Muni given a shot, at some time, in this position too We need, like every other prem club, at least 8 defenders in our squad and competition in every position - Hughes blind spot is defence and if he stays he needs help in this department - the defensive woes are fast becoming terminal, at the moment we have an average back four that picks itself and absolutely no competition at all for places within that back four. |
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Post by rawli on Apr 9, 2017 21:22:37 GMT
Pace.
Trust in youth.
More than 10 mins a week on set pieces.
Less management by stats.
Training twice a day - we don't look fit.
A Plan A and a Plan B. We used to have a Plan A, at the moment there doesn't seem to be anything.
A bit more pace.
A nasty enforcer who'll get things going in midfield.
Some more pace.
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