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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2017 3:37:28 GMT
Could this actually be a detrimental affect on us?
If Hughes somehow scrapes a result from the last remaining games we have, this may keep him in a job for next year and put a shadow on the last 9/10 games.
My concern with that is hughes has totally lost the plot with formations, signings, tactics and when the going gets tough he doesn't know where to start.
We could end up next year in a relegation battle by November and not have enough points to secure our premier league status.
For one I am not wishing we lose the last remaining games as I am stoke fan, but if you look at it from another angle Hughes could keep His job by getting a few lucky results from now till the end of the season, and that could be catastrophic to let him continue next season.
Will Coates see through it?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Apr 9, 2017 3:47:05 GMT
I want Hughes to do well and take us forward. Why would you want otherwise?
For the poor season or so we have had we still have a chance of a fourth consecutive top half finish under his tenure and that was after a couple of really good seasons.
Sounds like some fans have already made up their minds and are almost willing poor results on us in order to expedite the process.
There should be no agenda or bad will towards Mark Hughes. Short memories.
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2017 3:55:23 GMT
I want Hughes to do well and take us forward. Why would you want otherwise? For the poor season or so we have had we still have a chance of a fourth consecutive top half finish under his tenure and that was after a couple of really good seasons. Sounds like some fans have already made up their minds and are almost willing poor results on us in order to expedite the process. There should be no agenda or bad will towards Mark Hughes. Short memories. I'm not wishing poor results on anyone. This year mark hughes has shown his true self, the guy sent QPR down and is slowly drawing the life ot of stoke. I want stoke to win but I do support stoke, not mark hughes. He will take us down next year if he stays the manager. |
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2017 5:36:53 GMT
Take a look at our players. Grant player of the season. Gifted Butland on the mend. Given ageing Johnson,muniesa ,Afellay, shaqiri quality ,came to us with a list of previous injuries. Pieters good ability Arnie cares, good ability to awesome depending on his artistic temperament on the day. Bards Diouf Whelan Adam Walters crouch , ability ,hard as nails, have done us proud over the years. Now aged. Allen, sobhi bright lights of our team. Hughes had a year of aged players,who we should be very grateful to. Players who need careful management due to recent or previous injuries. Difficult year. We've been mainly top 10. What has that got to do with the original post? To be honest I disagree with pretty much everything you've said. Pieters has been fucking dreadful, No excuse for butland being out as grant is more than good enough as cover It's all well and good arnie playing well 'on his day' unfortauntely this doesn't happen enough. We may have aging players in the team but hughes should of realised this when he took over and brought a decent amount of replacements in, and shouldn't Have whelan or adam anywhere near the team. I'm not sure who needs careful management, Ramadan gets Dropped after being our best player for the last few games, Muniesa has a stormer after being asked to play 2 Hours before a game and then gets dropped. Johnson is fucking wank Shaqiri is good on his day by this doesn't happen often enough because of 'injury' Imbula was a terrible buy. No point in buying Bojan if he's going to send him on loan and play whelan. We can't score much goals yet insists on playing BERAHINO up front on his own (another bad buy) and sending Joseulu on loan who can score goals. Need I carry on because I could write another 4 pages on this clueless idiot |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 9, 2017 6:22:05 GMT
IF we picked up enough pts in our remaining games to finish in the top 10,that would be 4 top 10's in 4 seasons,how could we sack him without looking like a bunch of idiots?
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2017 6:24:12 GMT
IF we picked up enough pts in our remaining games to finish in the top 10,that would be 4 top 10's in 4 seasons,how could we sack him without looking like a bunch of idiots? Just because you finish in a top 10, it does not make this season for the supporters any better than finishing 15th. Dross boring non existent football, poor team selections, spunked loads of money with no benefit, the list is literally endless. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 9, 2017 6:27:17 GMT
Anyone who wants Stoke to win games should fuck off up the Vale.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Apr 9, 2017 8:10:40 GMT
The decision the chairman has to make is, do we change the manager at the end of the season, or do we give the man who has spent 40 mill on players he won't use another 20 plus mill this summer to buy players he won't use.
We either have a fire sale and loose a fortune on player Mark has bought and then spend another fortune replacing them, or we spend 5-6mill bringing in manager who can turn this squad round, over to you Peter.
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 9, 2017 8:17:22 GMT
My biggest problem, is I've enjoyed about 3 games the season, watford away and Sunderland away (both of which I didn't actually go to). It's just no fun watching us play with no passion of intensity, when we play with that intensity we are a million times better to watch. And we'd possibly pick up a few more points in the process.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 8:30:04 GMT
Could this actually be a detrimental affect on us? If Hughes somehow scrapes a result from the last remaining games we have, this may keep him in a job for next year and put a shadow on the last 9/10 games. My concern with that is hughes has totally lost the plot with formations, signings, tactics and when the going gets tough he doesn't know where to start. We could end up next year in a relegation battle by November and not have enough points to secure our premier league status. For one I am not wishing we lose the last remaining games as I am stoke fan, but if you look at it from another angle Hughes could keep His job by getting a few lucky results from now till the end of the season, and that could be catastrophic to let him continue next season. Will Coates see through it? Quite agree Gift the home win v West ham pappered over the cracks of a horrendous second half of thr season last time out. I have already said on another thread that with that marvellous thing called hindsight end of last season was possibly the time to go |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 9, 2017 8:36:09 GMT
If we lost every game and got relegated he'd definitely be sacked in the summer. So in reference to your original post that wouldn't be detrimental to the club?
Also if we win it's because of luck but if we lose it's because of Hughes, is that what you're going with?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 8:46:14 GMT
I just want him to get us the three points that we need. At least then, we can relax and enjoy the last few games! Hull for me is a must win game. The rot is setting in, we need to treat it!
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Post by GrahamHyde on Apr 9, 2017 9:15:01 GMT
I want Hughes to do well and take us forward. Why would you want otherwise? For the poor season or so we have had we still have a chance of a fourth consecutive top half finish under his tenure and that was after a couple of really good seasons. Sounds like some fans have already made up their minds and are almost willing poor results on us in order to expedite the process. There should be no agenda or bad will towards Mark Hughes. Short memories. I'm not wishing poor results on anyone. This year mark hughes has shown his true self, the guy sent QPR down and is slowly drawing the life ot of stoke. I want stoke to win but I do support stoke, not mark hughes. He will take us down next year if he stays the manager. Okay then, to answer your question. I would rather we won (some of) the remaining games and retain him as manager next season. I don't think there's any evidence to say that he is going to take us down other than the points tally being lower in what has been a tougher season this time around. It may or may not point to a trend and in any case we have never been in any real danger (bar the first 6 games, as usual). Also on the face of it the last 6 results haven't been that unexpected: 0-0 Man City, good result. 1-2 Chelsea, expected, good shift. 2-0 Leicester, champions, QF of UCL 1-0 Burnley, good home form, should have at least had a point. 1-2 Liverpool, top 4 side, should have had at least a point. Disappointing against Liverpool and Burnley, granted but not all too surprising. |
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2017 10:51:02 GMT
I'm not wishing poor results on anyone. This year mark hughes has shown his true self, the guy sent QPR down and is slowly drawing the life ot of stoke. I want stoke to win but I do support stoke, not mark hughes. He will take us down next year if he stays the manager. Okay then, to answer your question. I would rather we won (some of) the remaining games and retain him as manager next season. I don't think there's any evidence to say that he is going to take us down other than the points tally being lower in what has been a tougher season this time around. It may or may not point to a trend and in any case we have never been in any real danger (bar the first 6 games, as usual). Also on the face of it the last 6 results haven't been that unexpected: 0-0 Man City, good result. 1-2 Chelsea, expected, good shift. 2-0 Leicester, champions, QF of UCL 1-0 Burnley, good home form, should have at least had a point. 1-2 Liverpool, top 4 side, should have had at least a point. Disappointing against Liverpool and Burnley, granted but not all too surprising. Your finding excuses for him all the time. Fact is out of them games mentioned, i believe we should of picked up 3 points AT THE VERY LEAST (not including man city) and we picked a big fat 0 |
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Post by PolPotter on Apr 9, 2017 10:58:55 GMT
Anyone who wants Stoke to win games should fuck off up the Vale. I don't think I should do that because I want Stoke to win games. You are just weird. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Apr 9, 2017 13:08:04 GMT
Could this actually be a detrimental affect on us? If Hughes somehow scrapes a result from the last remaining games we have, this may keep him in a job for next year and put a shadow on the last 9/10 games. My concern with that is hughes has totally lost the plot with formations, signings, tactics and when the going gets tough he doesn't know where to start. We could end up next year in a relegation battle by November and not have enough points to secure our premier league status. For one I am not wishing we lose the last remaining games as I am stoke fan, but if you look at it from another angle Hughes could keep His job by getting a few lucky results from now till the end of the season, and that could be catastrophic to let him continue next season. Will Coates see through it? This is my worry as well surely Coates is not stupid enough to be blinded by us scraping a near miss of relegation. The rot has been there for all to see for a good 15 months with no sign of improvement this would be criminal if he is allowed to continue into another season. By the way i like Hughes & wanted him to take us forward but he seems incapable of getting the best out of which in my mind is a good squad of players. |
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Post by StatesideStokie on Apr 9, 2017 13:22:47 GMT
I want Hughes to do well and take us forward. Why would you want otherwise? For the poor season or so we have had we still have a chance of a fourth consecutive top half finish under his tenure and that was after a couple of really good seasons. Sounds like some fans have already made up their minds and are almost willing poor results on us in order to expedite the process. There should be no agenda or bad will towards Mark Hughes. Short memories. I'm not wishing poor results on anyone. This year mark hughes has shown his true self, the guy sent QPR down and is slowly drawing the life ot of stoke. I want stoke to win but I do support stoke, not mark hughes. He will take us down next year if he stays the manager. Playing devils advocate here, but why is it that the last year is "Hughes true self"? QPR aside, he's got an excellent record of consistently guiding teams to top half Premier League finishes, and the early part of his tenure with us has shown he is capable of building a decent side that can play attractiive, attacking football. Sure, it's a risk to let him rebuild in the summer, just as it's a massive risk to bring in somebody new. There a very few who would could attract that would have anywhere near Hughes proven pedigree, and do we really want to disrupt and destabilize because we're assuming the last 12 months is Hughes "true self"? Based on his record elsewhere, there's a very good chance it's not. You can't keep beating him with the QPR bat while ignoring everything else he's done. |
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Post by Davef on Apr 9, 2017 13:28:45 GMT
I want Hughes to do well and take us forward. Why would you want otherwise? For the poor season or so we have had we still have a chance of a fourth consecutive top half finish under his tenure and that was after a couple of really good seasons. Sounds like some fans have already made up their minds and are almost willing poor results on us in order to expedite the process. There should be no agenda or bad will towards Mark Hughes. Short memories. I'm not wishing poor results on anyone. This year mark hughes has shown his true self, the guy sent QPR down and is slowly drawing the life ot of stoke. I want stoke to win but I do support stoke, not mark hughes. He will take us down next year if he stays the manager. Hughes didn't send QPR down. He was sacked 12 games into their relegation season. You can obviously argue that he played his part and laid the foundations but Harry Redknapp had 24 games to save them. The same Harry Redknapp incidentally who one idiot sees as Hughes' replacement at Stoke. Truly as thick as shit. |
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Post by thegift on Apr 9, 2017 15:42:42 GMT
I'm not wishing poor results on anyone. This year mark hughes has shown his true self, the guy sent QPR down and is slowly drawing the life ot of stoke. I want stoke to win but I do support stoke, not mark hughes. He will take us down next year if he stays the manager. Hughes didn't send QPR down. He was sacked 12 games into their relegation season. You can obviously argue that he played his part and laid the foundations but Harry Redknapp had 24 games to save them. The same Harry Redknapp incidentally who one idiot sees as Hughes' replacement at Stoke. Truly as thick as shit. Which is why i don't want him here next season. If we get to christmas and its going tits up no matter who we get in it may be too late, just like it was for QPR when Redknapp took over. |
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Post by Davef on Apr 9, 2017 15:45:25 GMT
Hughes didn't send QPR down. He was sacked 12 games into their relegation season. You can obviously argue that he played his part and laid the foundations but Harry Redknapp had 24 games to save them. The same Harry Redknapp incidentally who one idiot sees as Hughes' replacement at Stoke. Truly as thick as shit. Which is why i don't want him here next season. If we get to christmas and its going tits up no matter who we get in it may be too late, just like it was for QPR when Redknapp took over. Redknapp had more than enough time to save QPR. More time in fact than Pulis had to rescue Palace who were in a far worse situation. |
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Post by liamo on Apr 9, 2017 15:46:25 GMT
People aren't asking for the world..
If we can play some decent football, win a few games and look like we've turned a corner then I'm all for him staying personally
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 9, 2017 20:44:56 GMT
Could this actually be a detrimental affect on us? If Hughes somehow scrapes a result from the last remaining games we have, this may keep him in a job for next year and put a shadow on the last 9/10 games. My concern with that is hughes has totally lost the plot with formations, signings, tactics and when the going gets tough he doesn't know where to start. We could end up next year in a relegation battle by November and not have enough points to secure our premier league status. For one I am not wishing we lose the last remaining games as I am stoke fan, but if you look at it from another angle Hughes could keep His job by getting a few lucky results from now till the end of the season, and that could be catastrophic to let him continue next season. Will Coates see through it? If Hughes rallies the troops and we finish strong and top half again then he will have done well and we will have to give him some credit - wont we? I think, perhaps, you like many others have written him off, so now even if we do win it is considered a scraped victory  He really can't win anyway in the eyes of many. I do get the sentiment though. We are going backward at the moment and have been for the last 4 transfer windows if we are honest and he does worry the feck out of me and has done for a while. He's replacement would worry me even more though, not forgetting with the Coates family he would have to be British I do remember Hughes saying he had learned a big lesson from the QPR experience, where he built a team of talented individuals, the majority with suspect character, while totally neglecting the defence - lesson learned of Deja Vu? If he survives the season and stays, he has to do some major surgery in the next window and show he knows where the issues are. If he continues in the same vein as he is now, then letting him have another window could be a disaster, he just does not do defence at all, in terms of tactics or even buying defenders. If Bruno and Johnson move on in the summer then I would not be surprised to see Cam and Diouf as regular starters in defence next year A bizarre manager but not talentless though - utterly clueless defensively and needs help in that department which is possibly why we have been linked with Terry. The doom and gloom I tell you, I wouldn't put it past us to win the next 2 games and then the, europe here we come, posters will be treading the boards again |
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He really can't win anyway in the eyes of many.
