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Post by raythesailor on Apr 3, 2017 15:53:58 GMT
Radio Stoke have been going on all day about Gibralter and Brexit.
I am a little suprised at what I think has been a TOTAL MEDIA OVER REACTION to this situation.
I may be wrong but from what I have read Spain has at no time in the last few days since the triggering of article 50 bought up the question of sovereignty. Suddenly has been politicians are comparing it to the Faulklands, talking of military involvement, and some guy on Radio Joke this morning said we should send in the Navy, Airforce and Army and blockade Spanish ports !!
The combined forces are already there and have been for some considerable time!
Gibralter is a quite a small place. It is principally a tax haven. At week ends there can be considerable traffic jams on the Spanish side of the border. Why ? Spaniards going into Gib for cheap petrol, diesel and tobacco. At anyone time 100's (no exaggeration) of large ships at anchor both in the bay and to the East ,often in Spanish waters. Why? To refuel with millions of gallons of fuel with reduced vat/ duty in Gib.
There are thousands of companies registered in this small area. Why? Low taxes.
Gibralter is a very wealthy small area, possibly not much bigger than Tunstal, but more densely populated. Spain struggling to pay for medical and social services sees possibly billions, but ceartainly millions of euros of revenue going disproportionately into this small/large economy
So is it unreasonable for Spain to say; In the case of an agreement being made which could have a major effect on us and our border with our immediate neighbours we would like to have a look at and pass comments. ?
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 3, 2017 16:07:28 GMT
I tend to agree. Storm in a teacup.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 3, 2017 16:10:31 GMT
What next the French grabbing the Channel Islands
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 3, 2017 16:14:02 GMT
Radio Stoke have been going on all day about Gibralter and Brexit. I am a little suprised at what I think has been a TOTAL MEDIA OVER REACTION to this situation. I may be wrong but from what I have read Spain has at no time in the last few days since the triggering of article 50 bought up the question of sovereignty. Suddenly has been politicians are comparing it to the Faulklands, talking of military involvement, and some guy on Radio Joke this morning said we should send in the Navy, Airforce and Army and blockade Spanish ports !! The combined forces are already there and have been for some considerable time! Gibralter is a quite a small place. It is principally a tax haven. At week ends there can be considerable traffic jams on the Spanish side of the border. Why ? Spaniards going into Gib for cheap petrol, diesel and tobacco. At anyone time 100's (no exaggeration) of large ships at anchor both in the bay and to the East ,often in Spanish waters. Why? To refuel with millions of gallons of fuel with reduced vat/ duty in Gib. There are thousands of companies registered in this small area. Why? Low taxes. Gibralter is a very wealthy small area, possibly not much bigger than Tunstal, but more densely populated. Spain struggling to pay for medical and social services sees possibly billions, but ceartainly millions of euros of revenue going disproportionately into this small/large economy So is it unreasonable for Spain to say; In the case of an agreement being made which could have a major effect on us and our border with our immediate neighbours we would like to have a look at and pass comments. ? Not really. Spain can look and pass comment on the final UK EU deal all they want but Tusk hinting that Spain would have to "agree" any final trade deal between the EU and Gibraltar is bollocks.
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Post by raythesailor on Apr 3, 2017 16:34:51 GMT
Radio Stoke have been going on all day about Gibralter and Brexit. I am a little suprised at what I think has been a TOTAL MEDIA OVER REACTION to this situation. I may be wrong but from what I have read Spain has at no time in the last few days since the triggering of article 50 bought up the question of sovereignty. Suddenly has been politicians are comparing it to the Faulklands, talking of military involvement, and some guy on Radio Joke this morning said we should send in the Navy, Airforce and Army and blockade Spanish ports !! The combined forces are already there and have been for some considerable time! Gibralter is a quite a small place. It is principally a tax haven. At week ends there can be considerable traffic jams on the Spanish side of the border. Why ? Spaniards going into Gib for cheap petrol, diesel and tobacco. At anyone time 100's (no exaggeration) of large ships at anchor both in the bay and to the East ,often in Spanish waters. Why? To refuel with millions of gallons of fuel with reduced vat/ duty in Gib. There are thousands of companies registered in this small area. Why? Low taxes. Gibralter is a very wealthy small area, possibly not much bigger than Tunstal, but more densely populated. Spain struggling to pay for medical and social services sees possibly billions, but ceartainly millions of euros of revenue going disproportionately into this small/large economy So is it unreasonable for Spain to say; In the case of an agreement being made which could have a major effect on us and our border with our immediate neighbours we would like to have a look at and pass comments. ? Not really. Spain can look and pass comment on the final UK EU deal all they want but Tusk hinting that Spain would have to "agree" any final trade deal between the EU and Gibraltar is bollocks. I thought all 27 had to agree. If Derbyshire and Cheshire county councils decided to build several nuclear power stations on the Staffordshire border would it be unreasonable of Staffs CC to have something to say about it ?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 3, 2017 16:50:12 GMT
Not really. Spain can look and pass comment on the final UK EU deal all they want but Tusk hinting that Spain would have to "agree" any final trade deal between the EU and Gibraltar is bollocks. I thought all 27 had to agree. If Derbyshire and Cheshire county councils decided to build several nuclear power stations on the Staffordshire border would it be unreasonable of Staffs CC to have something to say about it ? County Councils v Spain/UK is not the same. Building Nuclear power stations on the Staffs border?? Calm thee sen youth.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 3, 2017 20:25:52 GMT
Not really. Spain can look and pass comment on the final UK EU deal all they want but Tusk hinting that Spain would have to "agree" any final trade deal between the EU and Gibraltar is bollocks. I thought all 27 had to agree. If Derbyshire and Cheshire county councils decided to build several nuclear power stations on the Staffordshire border would it be unreasonable of Staffs CC to have something to say about it ? You're correct that they all have to agree. Therefore Spain has to agree. Therefore Todger is (ironically) talking out of his arse. Again
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Post by Northy on Apr 3, 2017 20:40:03 GMT
What next the French grabbing the Channel Islands or the moroccans grabbing ceuta and melilla, which they have asked Spain to hand back
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Post by Northy on Apr 3, 2017 20:42:07 GMT
raythesailor, it's Gibraltar and Falklands
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 20:44:19 GMT
What next the French grabbing the Channel Islands Don't float the idea for them mate
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 3, 2017 20:46:31 GMT
What next the French grabbing the Channel Islands Don't float the idea for them mate I think you need to start a free lanzarote campaign bish , burn some flags
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 20:49:42 GMT
Don't float the idea for them mate I think you need to start a free lanzarote campaign bish , burn some flags There is already one going Harry , the slogans are everywhere ....free the Canaries , Spanish go home is the general theme in evidence
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 3, 2017 20:55:30 GMT
I think you need to start a free lanzarote campaign bish , burn some flags There is already one going Harry , the slogans are everywhere ....free the Canaries , Spanish go home is the general theme in evidence We could swap them for gib ,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 20:56:54 GMT
What next the French grabbing the Channel Islands Over my dead body They're not having Guernsey
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 20:58:14 GMT
There is already one going Harry , the slogans are everywhere ....free the Canaries , Spanish go home is the general theme in evidence We could swap them for gib , Wouldn't be a bad swap ....not that the Gibbies would agree with that
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 21:00:30 GMT
What next the French grabbing the Channel Islands Over my dead body They're not having Guernsey The Germans will get there before them they left their calling cards all over the Channel Islands ....big concrete things with gun slits, the may decide to re- claim them
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 3, 2017 21:00:36 GMT
We could swap them for gib , Wouldn't be a bad swap ....not that the Gibbies would agree with that They are an odd bunch bish
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 21:01:45 GMT
Wouldn't be a bad swap ....not that the Gibbies would agree with that They are an odd bunch bish I know Harry I've been there .The apes were friendly enough though
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 3, 2017 21:07:09 GMT
They are an odd bunch bish I know Harry I've been there .The apes were friendly enough though They were the locals bish
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 21:09:11 GMT
I know Harry I've been there .The apes were friendly enough though They were the locals bish I thought they had a funny accent ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 22:06:55 GMT
Over my dead body They're not having Guernsey The Germans will get there before them they left their calling cards all over the Channel Islands ....big concrete things with gun slits, the may decide to re- claim them I know I had a shit in one
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Post by samba :) on Apr 3, 2017 22:19:25 GMT
Can we not deport all our criminals there and give it to them?
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 3, 2017 22:21:17 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on Apr 3, 2017 22:44:33 GMT
Not really. Spain can look and pass comment on the final UK EU deal all they want but Tusk hinting that Spain would have to "agree" any final trade deal between the EU and Gibraltar is bollocks. I thought all 27 had to agree. If Derbyshire and Cheshire county councils decided to build several nuclear power stations on the Staffordshire border would it be unreasonable of Staffs CC to have something to say about it ? Aren't we safe from nuclear power as we are landlocked and they are built on the coast to utilise an abundant supply of water to boil to produce electricity.😜
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 22:53:35 GMT
The Germans will get there before them they left their calling cards all over the Channel Islands ....big concrete things with gun slits, the may decide to re- claim them I know I had a shit in one Well there had to be some sort of use for them afterwards , that's as good as any .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 23:01:43 GMT
Seems they are stuck between a rock and a hard place =)
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 4, 2017 5:14:14 GMT
I thought all 27 had to agree. If Derbyshire and Cheshire county councils decided to build several nuclear power stations on the Staffordshire border would it be unreasonable of Staffs CC to have something to say about it ? You're correct that they all have to agree. Therefore Spain has to agree. Therefore Todger is (ironically) talking out of his arse. Again Wrong again, as per. The EU are trying to seperate Gib from the main trade deal. They say a final deal between the EU and the UK doesn't include Gib automatically unless Spain agrees. So Spain can agree to a deal between the EU and the UK but not agree to a deal between the EU and the UK including Gibraltar. That's the bit that's bollocks. I hope I don't have to explain every stage of these negotiations to you. That would be a rather tiresome two years.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 4, 2017 6:21:33 GMT
You're correct that they all have to agree. Therefore Spain has to agree. Therefore Todger is (ironically) talking out of his arse. Again Wrong again, as per. The EU are trying to seperate Gib from the main trade deal. They say a final deal between the EU and the UK doesn't include Gib automatically unless Spain agrees. So Spain can agree to a deal between the EU and the UK but not agree to a deal between the EU and the UK including Gibraltar. That's the bit that's bollocks. I hope I don't have to explain every stage of these negotiations to you. That would be a rather tiresome two years. You can explain anything you like Todge; it won't make you any more knowledgeable or right What you've written above is complete gibberish
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Post by Timmypotter on Apr 4, 2017 7:08:03 GMT
Wrong again, as per. The EU are trying to seperate Gib from the main trade deal. They say a final deal between the EU and the UK doesn't include Gib automatically unless Spain agrees. So Spain can agree to a deal between the EU and the UK but not agree to a deal between the EU and the UK including Gibraltar. That's the bit that's bollocks. I hope I don't have to explain every stage of these negotiations to you. That would be a rather tiresome two years. You can explain anything you like Todge; it won't make you any more knowledgeable or right What you've written above is complete gibberish Spain could no more veto a deal on the basis that it includes Stoke than they could veto a deal on the basis it includes Gibraltar - they are both internationally recognised as being under UK jurisdiction. It's also hugely hypocritical given the fact they hold Ceuta and Melilla.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 7:37:35 GMT
Wrong again, as per. The EU are trying to seperate Gib from the main trade deal. They say a final deal between the EU and the UK doesn't include Gib automatically unless Spain agrees. So Spain can agree to a deal between the EU and the UK but not agree to a deal between the EU and the UK including Gibraltar. That's the bit that's bollocks. I hope I don't have to explain every stage of these negotiations to you. That would be a rather tiresome two years. You can explain anything you like Todge; it won't make you any more knowledgeable or right What you've written above is complete gibberish When you put 3 smileys after your post. Is that to convince yourself you've said something to win an argument? Because its only working in your eyes
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