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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 2, 2017 22:54:07 GMT
Do 5-0 at Bolton then instead. Relying on tp's players is my point, which you seem to be disputing. He's relying on players, signed by to, who should have been phased out years ago, hence we are more the tp team that he left behind than we are qpr. It's not rocket science is it? Immediately following a European game that was barely in Europe. What is Hughes excuse for 9 (Nine) 4 goal humiliations in 11 months. Not sacking him will be an error akin to not insuring the Butler St roof. For every 4 goal defeat you could find similar under pulis. 7 v Chelsea, 5 v manure, countless 3's v man city, 4 v Arsenal, 4 v Sunderland, 5 v Bolton. No one likes losing like that but to say its a Hughes domain and it never happened under previous managers is rewriting history.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 2, 2017 23:08:49 GMT
Do 5-0 at Bolton then instead. Relying on tp's players is my point, which you seem to be disputing. He's relying on players, signed by to, who should have been phased out years ago, hence we are more the tp team that he left behind than we are qpr. It's not rocket science is it? Immediately following a European game that was barely in Europe. What is Hughes excuse for 9 (Nine) 4 goal humiliations in 11 months. Not sacking him will be an error akin to not insuring the Butler St roof. This is more about your infatuation with leaker. And it was insured.
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Post by senojbor on Apr 2, 2017 23:26:01 GMT
Good fixture to judge him on that... How about 5-0 at Sunderland then? How about all the pathetic hammerings we get now on a regular basis? Why are you harping on about Pulis anyway? He left 4 years ago, get over it.
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Post by senojbor on Apr 2, 2017 23:33:14 GMT
Piss poor performances, putting the club at risk by spunking huge amounts of money and wages on duds. We couldn't even beat a poor Hull side and a poor championship side in the cups. Yep, QPR all over again
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Post by thegift on Apr 2, 2017 23:35:33 GMT
I just am concerned if we keep Hughes and he spends more money in the summer and we get off to shit start next season after the players come back from there Dubai trip again (Sarcastic laugh), all hell is gonna break loose and there is gonna be world war 3.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 23:44:01 GMT
Piss poor performances, putting the club at risk by spunking huge amounts of money and wages on duds. We couldn't even beat a poor Hull side and a poor championship side in the cups. Yep, QPR all over again You've just told Dave to get over Pulis because it was four years ago, then had a go at Hughes for his time with QPR. How long ago do you think that was then?
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 2, 2017 23:55:35 GMT
Yes we are.
Thier fan base is full of weapons, like ours.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 2, 2017 23:56:08 GMT
Piss poor performances, putting the club at risk by spunking huge amounts of money and wages on duds. We couldn't even beat a poor Hull side and a poor championship side in the cups. Yep, QPR all over again You've just told Dave to get over Pulis because it was four years ago, then had a go at Hughes for his time with QPR. How long ago do you think that was then? He's being ironic, must be. Well done to the team and Tony Pulis. All but secured our spot for next season in on of the hardest leagues in the world. 18 teams have been relegated since we returned to the prem and apart from a poor run this year we've easily reached saftey. Statistics of a good manager is the way I see it, and I for one applaud that. Well done. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/user/9285/recent?page=22#ixzz4d8hxSmxH
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Post by thegift on Apr 2, 2017 23:56:15 GMT
Yes we are. Thier fan base is full of weapons, like ours. ours has been like this for many years.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 3, 2017 6:56:19 GMT
How about 5-0 at Sunderland then? How about all the pathetic hammerings we get now on a regular basis? Why are you harping on about Pulis anyway? He left 4 years ago, get over it. I'm not harping on about him at all. If you actually care to read the thread, you will note that I said we are turning more into the TP team that your hero left behind than we are the QPR team that Mark Hughes left behind and the comment about the numerous hammerings that we took under Pulis are in response to claims that he left behind a hard working, well organised, defensively sound team when in actual fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
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Post by thegift on Apr 3, 2017 20:32:53 GMT
How about all the pathetic hammerings we get now on a regular basis? Why are you harping on about Pulis anyway? He left 4 years ago, get over it. I'm not harping on about him at all. If you actually care to read the thread, you will note that I said we are turning more into the TP team that your hero left behind than we are the QPR team that Mark Hughes left behind and the comment about the numerous hammerings that we took under Pulis are in response to claims that he left behind a hard working, well organised, defensively sound team when in actual fact, nothing could be further from the truth. I am 100% pulis motivated the team more than hughes, under pulls we at least put in the effort. We just weren't good enough under him. Where as this time round we have the expensive players that hughes has brought in, but he's not using them to their full potential and has wasted so much money
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 3, 2017 20:37:54 GMT
I'm not harping on about him at all. If you actually care to read the thread, you will note that I said we are turning more into the TP team that your hero left behind than we are the QPR team that Mark Hughes left behind and the comment about the numerous hammerings that we took under Pulis are in response to claims that he left behind a hard working, well organised, defensively sound team when in actual fact, nothing could be further from the truth. I am 100% pulis motivated the team more than hughes, under pulls we at least put in the effort. We just weren't good enough under him. Where as this time round we have the expensive players that hughes has brought in, but he's not using them to their full potential and has wasted so much money You are right mate. That Wilson Palacios fella really bust a gut for us, as did Vincent pericard before him. The 40m he spent on 13 players in the summer of 2011 was money well spent and propelled us forward massively. Meanwhile, the 5.5m he spent on whitehead was money well spent, as was the 5m on Kitson. Even better value for money were sonko and Collins for a combined fee of almost as much as bruno will cost us.
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Post by Davef on Apr 3, 2017 20:39:43 GMT
Do 5-0 at Bolton then instead. Relying on tp's players is my point, which you seem to be disputing. He's relying on players, signed by to, who should have been phased out years ago, hence we are more the tp team that he left behind than we are qpr. It's not rocket science is it? Immediately following a European game that was barely in Europe. What is Hughes excuse for 9 (Nine) 4 goal humiliations in 11 months. Not sacking him will be an error akin to not insuring the Butler St roof. You know the Butler Street roof was insured.
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Post by thegift on Apr 3, 2017 20:46:34 GMT
I am 100% pulis motivated the team more than hughes, under pulls we at least put in the effort. We just weren't good enough under him. Where as this time round we have the expensive players that hughes has brought in, but he's not using them to their full potential and has wasted so much money You are right mate. That Wilson Palacios fella really bust a gut for us, as did Vincent pericard before him. The 40m he spent on 13 players in the summer of 2011 was money well spent and propelled us forward massively. Meanwhile, the 5.5m he spent on whitehead was money well spent, as was the 5m on Kitson. Even better value for money were sonko and Collins for a combined fee of almost as much as bruno will cost us. You have missed the point. Regardless of what Pulis spent, I'm just saying he blatantly motivated the team more than hughes. Some games we don't turn up at all, a lot this season we haven't. At least with Pulis on the whole we would come out the blocks at some point. Where hughes has spent a fortune and just can't motivate, still doesn't know his best team, still can't select the right positions for players, and lets better players go on loan.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 3, 2017 22:04:15 GMT
You are right mate. That Wilson Palacios fella really bust a gut for us, as did Vincent pericard before him. The 40m he spent on 13 players in the summer of 2011 was money well spent and propelled us forward massively. Meanwhile, the 5.5m he spent on whitehead was money well spent, as was the 5m on Kitson. Even better value for money were sonko and Collins for a combined fee of almost as much as bruno will cost us. You have missed the point. Regardless of what Pulis spent, I'm just saying he blatantly motivated the team more than hughes. Some games we don't turn up at all, a lot this season we haven't. At least with Pulis on the whole we would come out the blocks at some point. Where hughes has spent a fortune and just can't motivate, still doesn't know his best team, still can't select the right positions for players, and lets better players go on loan. You've missed my point...I think you are talking absolute bollocks. There is nothing wrong with the effort and application of our players. They are sometimes, though rarely, found wanting in that regard. The current bunch, simply aren't good enough and are lacking quality in key areas. Tony Pulis spent a fortune, still couldn't select the right position for players, kept better players isolated completely, not even letting them go out on loan, didn't attempt to play any kind of football, particularly away from home and generally spent more time managing expectation than managing the team. At the same time, he completely lost the dressing room and fell out with pretty much every person at the club in the process behind the scenes. This current team is crap and performances don't make for particularly pleasant viewing. Painting out the previous regime as some kind of shining example which the current one should aspire to emulate is a complete load of bollocks. Out of interest, what better players do we have out on loan? Not wee little whiny, cry baby Bojan by any chance? The same Bojan who can't get into Mainz's side and when he's played for them has contributed the sum total of fuck all?
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Post by thegift on Apr 3, 2017 23:51:26 GMT
You have missed the point. Regardless of what Pulis spent, I'm just saying he blatantly motivated the team more than hughes. Some games we don't turn up at all, a lot this season we haven't. At least with Pulis on the whole we would come out the blocks at some point. Where hughes has spent a fortune and just can't motivate, still doesn't know his best team, still can't select the right positions for players, and lets better players go on loan. You've missed my point...I think you are talking absolute bollocks. There is nothing wrong with the effort and application of our players. They are sometimes, though rarely, found wanting in that regard. The current bunch, simply aren't good enough and are lacking quality in key areas. Tony Pulis spent a fortune, still couldn't select the right position for players, kept better players isolated completely, not even letting them go out on loan, didn't attempt to play any kind of football, particularly away from home and generally spent more time managing expectation than managing the team. At the same time, he completely lost the dressing room and fell out with pretty much every person at the club in the process behind the scenes. This current team is crap and performances don't make for particularly pleasant viewing. Painting out the previous regime as some kind of shining example which the current one should aspire to emulate is a complete load of bollocks. Out of interest, what better players do we have out on loan? Not wee little whiny, cry baby Bojan by any chance? The same Bojan who can't get into Mainz's side and when he's played for them has contributed the sum total of fuck all? I actually ignored your point, because that was bollocks too, mate. i believe some players out there for stoke do not put in 100% when they play every match, to name some Shaqiri Imbula The players we have out on loan that deserve a place in the squad are Bojan and Joselu. Joselu has done nothing wrong to be sent on loan and with the team thats playing under hughes he would have more chance of scoring than berahino. Bojan is also better than both adam and whelan yet hughes adores them like its lampard and gerrard. The guy is clueless.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 4, 2017 7:51:06 GMT
You've missed my point...I think you are talking absolute bollocks. There is nothing wrong with the effort and application of our players. They are sometimes, though rarely, found wanting in that regard. The current bunch, simply aren't good enough and are lacking quality in key areas. Tony Pulis spent a fortune, still couldn't select the right position for players, kept better players isolated completely, not even letting them go out on loan, didn't attempt to play any kind of football, particularly away from home and generally spent more time managing expectation than managing the team. At the same time, he completely lost the dressing room and fell out with pretty much every person at the club in the process behind the scenes. This current team is crap and performances don't make for particularly pleasant viewing. Painting out the previous regime as some kind of shining example which the current one should aspire to emulate is a complete load of bollocks. Out of interest, what better players do we have out on loan? Not wee little whiny, cry baby Bojan by any chance? The same Bojan who can't get into Mainz's side and when he's played for them has contributed the sum total of fuck all? I actually ignored your point, because that was bollocks too, mate. i believe some players out there for stoke do not put in 100% when they play every match, to name some Shaqiri Imbula The players we have out on loan that deserve a place in the squad are Bojan and Joselu. Joselu has done nothing wrong to be sent on loan and with the team thats playing under hughes he would have more chance of scoring than berahino. Bojan is also better than both adam and whelan yet hughes adores them like its lampard and gerrard. The guy is clueless. You see only what you want to see unfortunately. For Shaqiri and Imbula say Palacios, Kitson and Kenwyne Jones. For better players not playing in favour of shit players, see Ricardo Fuller rotting on the bench whilst Jon Fucking Walters ploughed up front like a headless chicken. Worse still, see Ricardo Fuller sat on the bench whilst we took to the field with a combination of Kenwyne and Jon Carew up front. For players being played in unfamiliar positions, see Shawcross at right back and Ryan Shotton on the right wing. Joselu did plenty wrong. His problems are evidenced by his performance for his loan club at the weekend where the commentators actually discussed his total lack of effort, application and physicality. Joselu clearly has the attributes to be a very good player but he would have one good game followed by another when he simply wouldn't put in the physical effort required of a player in his position in the premier league, hence he found himself surplus to requirements. Bojan plays a different position to Adam and Whelan and clearly isn't the player you seem to think he is. He can't even get into Mainz's side who are struggling themselves. You say Hughes adores Whelan and Adam yet after a series of poor performances, both have found themselves dropped. Hardly evidence of a manager who adores his players is it. We've been poor for large parts of this season. It is an inescapable fact that Hughes will need to address sooner rather than later. If he doesn't he will most likely get the bullet. That would be fair criticism. The points you are raising are, in the main, a complete and utter fabrication and a total re-writing of history where comparisons with the previous manager are concerned. In short, you are full of shit and if you pine for Pulis that much, you can make the short journey down to Rio de Smethwick on a weekly basis to get your fix.
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Post by buxtonpotter on Apr 4, 2017 7:52:51 GMT
Yes.
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Post by viewfromasofa on Apr 4, 2017 10:44:09 GMT
He needs sacking today I don't why people. Defend his stupid team tinkering,he doesn't. Know after 3 years his best starting 11 ,30 million spunked on imbula and shaquiri does nothing to encourage youth players ,and has as personally attitude of a toilet. Brush,Steve bould come home to longton asap Did you ever study english at school ?
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Post by thegift on Apr 4, 2017 20:06:59 GMT
HUGHES OUT.
He will take us down next year if he is still here.
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Post by woodstein on Apr 4, 2017 20:17:34 GMT
Slowly turning into Coventry City or even Stockport County!
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Post by thegift on Apr 4, 2017 21:18:25 GMT
I wonder if people who doubted my original post still disagree?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 4, 2017 22:39:20 GMT
I wonder if people who doubted my original post still disagree? Once again there was no lack of effort. The players gave it everything. I still disagree. You other stat is also a load of garbage as well. Not beat a team in the top half of table you say?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 4, 2017 22:41:40 GMT
We're just very shit.
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Post by TexasPotter on Apr 4, 2017 22:42:01 GMT
Hell boys even I'm starting to get a southern accent and the "wrong" kinda southern accent akin to a QPR fan yelling stoke so painfully loud my neighbors cat falls off their balcony!
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Post by thegift on Apr 5, 2017 0:13:39 GMT
I wonder if people who doubted my original post still disagree? Once again there was no lack of effort. The players gave it everything. I still disagree. You other stat is also a load of garbage as well. Not beat a team in the top half of table you say? If that's all we can offer against one of the worst teams in the premier league, it's time to hang our boots up. That was a fucking shambles.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 5, 2017 0:21:25 GMT
Piss poor performances, putting the club at risk by spunking huge amounts of money and wages on duds. We couldn't even beat a poor Hull side and a poor championship side in the cups. Yep, QPR all over again You've just told Dave to get over Pulis because it was four years ago, then had a go at Hughes for his time with QPR. How long ago do you think that was then? There's all the difference in the world. Pulis's time was up and he was released, which was the right thing to do. However, Pulis was replaced by a man who had been fired twice in as many seasons and prior to that he was let go by Man City for reasons unknown.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 5, 2017 0:28:56 GMT
The only thing I'd take issue with your question, which I assume is rhetorical, would be the word "slowly".
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Post by thegift on Apr 8, 2017 16:08:07 GMT
I wasn't wrong was i? This guy is turning us into the next QPR.
Please get rid now.
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Post by thegift on Oct 21, 2017 15:10:45 GMT
I wasn't wrong was i? This guy is turning us into the next QPR. Please get rid now. I'm saying nothing.
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