|
Post by bringmesunshine on Mar 23, 2017 14:16:59 GMT
Not to worry he was a British born Muslim apparently that makes all the difference. gives a whole new meaning to made in Britain. Where he was born mattered a lot to most people on this thread, until we found out he was British-born then it mattered little. If its possible I think it makes it worse that he was born here, having enjoyed all the privileges of growing up in a democratic and free country where the state paid for his health care and schooling and also provided his parents with money as he grew up he decided to murder innocent people, the fact that he was born here and was either radicalised here or brought up surrounded by people who have such hatred for the people of Britain and British values makes it even more abhorrent.
|
|
|
Post by kingdong on Mar 23, 2017 14:17:52 GMT
British born attacker Lets ban British born people living here Or just deport them to their families country of origin simple. You can't deport someone to a country they are not a citizen of.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2017 14:20:11 GMT
Where he was born mattered a lot to most people on this thread, until we found out he was British-born then it mattered little. If its possible I think it makes it worse that he was born here, having enjoyed all the privileges of growing up in a democratic and free country where the state paid for his health care and schooling and also provided his parents with money as he grew up he decided to murder innocent people, the fact that he was born here and was either radicalised here or brought up surrounded by people who have such hatred for the people of Britain and British values makes it even more abhorrent. And that is bang on the money and why we need to root out all these radicals and remove them from our society.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2017 14:20:53 GMT
Or just deport them to their families country of origin simple. You can't deport someone to a country they are not a citizen of. Tell that to the Germans
|
|
|
Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 23, 2017 14:31:56 GMT
all we can do is what we do already, monitor threats, try and police the internet and hope we can just disrupt them, it can never be stopped which saddens me I hear stories about radicalisation in prisons too, now that is easy, segregation and known trouble makers into solitary The Henry Jackson Society produced a report in March this year titled “Islamist Terrorism: Analysis of Offences and Attacks in the UK". The reports findings include; 264 convictions since 1998, 93% were male, modal arrest age was 22, almost half of those arrested were in their 20's, 72% were British born with ancestral links to South Asia, Africa, Middle East and Caribbean with over half coming from Pakistan and Bangladeshi extraction. London and The North West account for three quarters of all cases. East London was home to half of the London based offenders (22% overall), most commonly in Tower Hamlets, Newham and Waltham Forest. In Birmingham, the constituencies of Hall Green and Hodge Hill contained three quarters of all Birmingham-based offenders (11% overall). So that's 33% of all convicted (not just arrested or questioned) Islamist terrorists between 1998 and 2015 have come from 3 areas in London and two areas in Birmingham.The report also noted that more than half of offences were committed by people who lived with their family or lived at their family home. So, I'd be all over British born males with Pakistani and Bangladeshi heritage. Aged 14 - 30, living with family or at their family home, in the wards of Tower Hamlets, Newham, Waltham Forest, Hall Green and Hodge Hill. This isn't rocket science Flea. A caller on 5Live started saying he wasn't surprised that the attacker was from Birmingham because there were "well known" areas..... he was cut short by the presenter.... why? Because the BBC doesn't want to air the public's concern with inner city segregation? Molenbeek provided one of the perpetrators of the 2004 Madrid bombings and the AK 47-wielding man grappled to the ground by three passengers on the Amsterdam-Paris train last April. The gunman who shot four people at Brussels’ Jewish Museum in May 2014 had also spent time in the area. Not to mention the Bataclan Theatre killers who came from Brussels and were found four months later in a flat back in Molenbeek. Of course what I'm proposing will be attacked as racial profiling which is always criticised by Human Rights groups. Under section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000, police officers are permitted to stop and search individuals with justifiable cause. Figures from the MoJ show Asian people were over five times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people. Black people were seven times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people. I understand that. We're not suspecting retired white women from Skegness. In January 2010 the Court of Human Rights ruled that section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 does violate the right to respect for private life. According to Liberty, the profiling of suspects should be based on actual suspicion and real intelligence. Stopping and searching on the basis of skin colour, name or dress code is not a valid reason. Of course there is something we can do.
|
|
|
Post by bringmesunshine on Mar 23, 2017 14:45:10 GMT
all we can do is what we do already, monitor threats, try and police the internet and hope we can just disrupt them, it can never be stopped which saddens me I hear stories about radicalisation in prisons too, now that is easy, segregation and known trouble makers into solitary The Henry Jackson Society produced a report in March this year titled “Islamist Terrorism: Analysis of Offences and Attacks in the UK". The reports findings include; 264 convictions since 1998, 93% were male, modal arrest age was 22, almost half of those arrested were in their 20's, 72% were British born with ancestral links to South Asia, Africa, Middle East and Caribbean with over half coming from Pakistan and Bangladeshi extraction. London and The North West account for three quarters of all cases. East London was home to half of the London based offenders (22% overall), most commonly in Tower Hamlets, Newham and Waltham Forest. In Birmingham, the constituencies of Hall Green and Hodge Hill contained three quarters of all Birmingham-based offenders (11% overall). So that's 33% of all convicted (not just arrested or questioned) Islamist terrorists between 1998 and 2015 have come from 3 areas in London and two areas in Birmingham.The report also noted that more than half of offences were committed by people who lived with their family or lived at their family home. So, I'd be all over British born males with Pakistani and Bangladeshi heritage. Aged 14 - 30, living with family or at their family home, in the wards of Tower Hamlets, Newham, Waltham Forest, Hall Green and Hodge Hill. This isn't rocket science Flea. A caller on 5Live started saying he wasn't surprised that the attacker was from Birmingham because there were "well known" areas..... he was cut short by the presenter.... why? Because the BBC doesn't want to air the public's concern with inner city segregation? Molenbeek provided one of the perpetrators of the 2004 Madrid bombings and the AK 47-wielding man grappled to the ground by three passengers on the Amsterdam-Paris train last April. The gunman who shot four people at Brussels’ Jewish Museum in May 2014 had also spent time in the area. Not to mention the Bataclan Theatre killers who came from Brussels and were found four months later in a flat back in Molenbeek. Of course what I'm proposing will be attacked as racial profiling which is always criticised by Human Rights groups. Under section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000, police officers are permitted to stop and search individuals with justifiable cause. Figures from the MoJ show Asian people were over five times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people. Black people were seven times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people. I understand that. We're not suspecting retired white women from Skegness. In January 2010 the Court of Human Rights ruled that section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 does violate the right to respect for private life. According to Liberty, the profiling of suspects should be based on actual suspicion and real intelligence. Stopping and searching on the basis of skin colour, name or dress code is not a valid reason. Of course there is something we can do. I heard that caller and the presenter cut him off mid sentence, she was desperate not let him name the 2 areas of Birmingham he thought were breeding grounds for Islamic terrorism.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 14:46:25 GMT
"known to intelligence services".
How many times do we have to hear this?
These people simply shouldn't be free. There is too much danger in allowing for 'rehabilitation'.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2017 14:56:12 GMT
"known to intelligence services". How many times do we have to hear this? These people simply shouldn't be free. There is too much danger in allowing for 'rehabilitation'. Get them out of our society by any means necessary, if there is danger remove the risk simple stops the risk becoming a danger.
|
|
|
Post by Mint Berry Barks on Mar 23, 2017 15:06:32 GMT
After events like this you see thousands of people claiming that "Islam is a religion of peace" and that "a small minority does not represent the majority", and they'd be right. It would be rude to tar all Muslims with the same brush.
However..
Where is the aid from Muslim leaders and the Islamic community in helping to rid the cancer of their religion? Why do they sit idly by while the Western world is expected and forced by the public to take responsibility in solving this? We get no inclination that anything is being done about a group of radicals that are not only a threat to our society, but even to innocent Muslims in the East.
Why don't they step in?
Why don't they fucking do something?
|
|
|
Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 23, 2017 15:14:35 GMT
After events like this you see thousands of people claiming that "Islam is a religion of peace" and that "a small minority does not represent the majority", and they'd be right. It would be rude to tar all Muslims with the same brush. However.. Where is the aid from Muslim leaders and the Islamic community in helping to rid the cancer of their religion? Why do they sit idly by while the Western world is expected and forced by the public to take responsibility in solving this? We get no inclination that anything is being done about a group of radicals that are not only a threat to our society, but even to innocent Muslims in the East. Why don't they step in? Why don't they fucking do something? A Muslim-led crowdfunding website for victims has raised more than £7,000 within hours of being set up. Muddassar Ahmed, who witnessed Wednesday's attack, set up the website with Akeela Ahmed on Thursday morning to help victims and their families and "lessen their burden in some way". He called on "British Muslims, mosques, Imams, leaders, and groups to endorse and promote this initiative".
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 15:23:51 GMT
Or just deport them to their families country of origin simple. You can't deport someone to a country they are not a citizen of. You can but a parachute is an optional extra when doing so
|
|
|
Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 23, 2017 15:33:06 GMT
Fuckin 52 year old Muslim who's had all the privileges this country offers and the cunt does this😡
|
|
|
Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 23, 2017 15:37:49 GMT
You can't deport someone to a country they are not a citizen of. Tell that to the Germans They're deporting 2 people who hold Nigerian and Algerian citizenship respectively. They were born in and grew up in Germany, they are not German citizens however as they have foreign parents and that's how citizenship rules work in Germany (and most other european states as it happens..it's dependent upon your place of birth AND parents' nationalities as well). If neither parent is German, then you have to apply to become a German citizen (even if you were born and brought up there) but that rule only applies to people born after 01/01/2000. For people born before that date, you can't just apply to become a citizen based on having been born there and lived there all your life like you can over here. That isn't a dig at you by the way carpy, i appreciate that almost none of the British media sources that reported the story actually made any of that clear. They simply focused on the fact they were born there and then judged the rest of their story based around our citizenship laws whilst making no mention of the fact that the German citizenship laws are actually very different (but i suppose "Germany deport Nigerian citizen to Nigeria" probably wouldn't make as impressive a headline).
|
|
|
Post by woodstein on Mar 23, 2017 15:43:48 GMT
Or just deport them to their families county of origin simple. And when that country says sorry we're not taking them? Well, they go backwards and forwards to their mother country often enough to visit family, bring drugs back etc. We need very, very strict border controls for a start.
|
|
|
Post by salopstick on Mar 23, 2017 15:50:58 GMT
Kevin MaguireVerified account kevin_Maguire 8m8 minutes ago More Dead terrorist named as Islamist Abu Izzadeen, formerly Trevor Brooks, by @channel4news. Jailed 4.5 years in 2008 for terrorism offences His solicitor has just said he is still in jail so that's wrong. Fake news as usual London attack: Police name Westminster attacker www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39372154
|
|
|
Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 23, 2017 15:53:42 GMT
I'll give you *five guesses asto the name of the fella trying to drive this car filled with liquid gas, assault rifles & knives into a crowd of shoppers. *I say I'll give you five guesses as there are a few different ways you can spell Mohamed...
|
|
|
Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 23, 2017 15:59:43 GMT
His solicitor has just said he is still in jail so that's wrong. Fake news as usual London attack: Police name Westminster attacker www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39372154If the BBC version is true, then the media certainly aren't helping matters by using phrases like "Was already known to the Police" (like many were saying last night) unless they stipulate the reasons they were already known to the Police was absolutely nothing at all to do with terrorism. Using phrases like that does nothing but completely unnecessarily feed antagonism and a lack of confidence in our security forces which is completely unwarranted in this case if the info in their link is correct. If he already known due to terrorist related intelligence then fine, we can all say pre-emptive measures may be necessary...if he's already known for simple offences like GBH and possession of a threatening weapon then there's little that can be done as you can't keep up surveillance on / threaten to deport the hundreds of thousands of people around the UK who have been done for those kinds of offences in the past. The media nowadays aren't just reporting on the divide this terror is causing, they're actively fuelling it simply because it generates such "good copy" for their rags on a daily basis.
|
|
|
Post by samba :) on Mar 23, 2017 16:00:35 GMT
I'll give you *five guesses asto the name of the fella trying to drive this car filled with liquid gas, assault rifles & knives into a crowd of shoppers. *I say I'll give you five guesses as there are a few different ways you can spell Mohamed... is it farah? Or mohammed hussain
|
|
|
Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 23, 2017 16:04:14 GMT
If the BBC version is true, then the media certainly aren't helping matters by using phrases like "Was already known to the Police" (like many were saying last night) unless they stipulate the reasons they were already known to the Police was absolutely nothing at all to do with terrorism. Using phrases like that does nothing but completely unnecessarily feed antagonism and a lack of confidence in our security forces which is completely unwarranted in this case if the info in their link is correct. If he already known due to terrorist related intelligence then fine, we can all say pre-emptive measures may be necessary...if he's already known for simple offences like GBH and possession of a threatening weapon then there's little that can be done as you can't keep up surveillance on / threaten to deport the hundreds of thousands of people around the UK who have been done for those kinds of offences in the past. The media nowadays aren't just reporting on the divide this terror is causing, they're actively fuelling it simply because it generates such "good copy" for their rags on a daily basis. They stopped just reporting the news a while back, Mick.
|
|
|
Post by stockportstokie on Mar 23, 2017 16:06:31 GMT
After events like this you see thousands of people claiming that "Islam is a religion of peace" and that "a small minority does not represent the majority", and they'd be right. It would be rude to tar all Muslims with the same brush. However.. Where is the aid from Muslim leaders and the Islamic community in helping to rid the cancer of their religion? Why do they sit idly by while the Western world is expected and forced by the public to take responsibility in solving this? We get no inclination that anything is being done about a group of radicals that are not only a threat to our society, but even to innocent Muslims in the East. Why don't they step in? Why don't they fucking do something? Please just read or summit. We "the British" propelled Ibn Saud to have his wahhabism to be the dominant force in Islam. We knew full well what they were about, Churchill even spoke about it in parliament, yet we funded them to the hilt. Before that we bowed down to Al-Qasimi. Thoae radicals you speak of aren't Bedouin camel riders, they're major players. They were onboard with the Zioniat agenda from the get go and then stumbled upon oil reserves that meant they became one of the biggest players in Geo politics. Our western governments are complicit.
|
|
|
Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 23, 2017 16:08:32 GMT
If the BBC version is true, then the media certainly aren't helping matters by using phrases like "Was already known to the Police" (like many were saying last night) unless they stipulate the reasons they were already known to the Police was absolutely nothing at all to do with terrorism. Using phrases like that does nothing but completely unnecessarily feed antagonism and a lack of confidence in our security forces which is completely unwarranted in this case if the info in their link is correct. If he already known due to terrorist related intelligence then fine, we can all say pre-emptive measures may be necessary...if he's already known for simple offences like GBH and possession of a threatening weapon then there's little that can be done as you can't keep up surveillance on / threaten to deport the hundreds of thousands of people around the UK who have been done for those kinds of offences in the past. The media nowadays aren't just reporting on the divide this terror is causing, they're actively fuelling it simply because it generates such "good copy" for their rags on a daily basis. They stopped just reporting the news a while back, Mick. Yeah i know mate, just worrying how bad it's become nowadays. It's one thing having bias towards certain political parties (which has gone on for generations) but the way they seem to engender antagonism and fuel the fires in a situation like the world now faces with the constant terror threat and the very real divide it's creating is simply unforgivable.
|
|
|
Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 23, 2017 16:14:32 GMT
They stopped just reporting the news a while back, Mick. Yeah i know mate, just worrying how bad it's become nowadays. It's one thing having bias towards certain political parties (which has gone on for generations) but the way they seem to engender antagonism and fuel the fires in a situation like the world now faces with the constant terror threat and the very real divide it's creating is simply unforgivable. The TV is just as bad. I remember when you just watched the news and made your own mind up about it. Now, it's all sneering and biased with an obvious agenda. Bring back Sandy Gall!
|
|
|
Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 23, 2017 16:17:06 GMT
Diane Abbott please fuck off you horrible bastard 😡Just say it as it is instead of pandering to fuckin muslims
|
|
|
Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Mar 23, 2017 16:31:27 GMT
Does that include the Muslims in our first team squad as well then. Like Ramadan for example??????The problem is the general bullshit you and the other apologists for the NF etc spout displays a lack of understanding of the deep rooted issues that cause the likes of this individual to be radicalised in the first place. They kill anybody including members of their own religion not just us. That's a fact. And these deep rooted issues are ? Read seerpicos later most if it's not to much hard work for you.
|
|
|
Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Mar 23, 2017 16:35:17 GMT
Does that include the Muslims in our first team squad as well then. Like Ramadan for example??????The problem is the general bullshit you and the other apologists for the NF etc spout displays a lack of understanding of the deep rooted issues that cause the likes of this individual to be radicalised in the first place. They kill anybody including members of their own religion not just us. That's a fact. What is it with you limp-wristed apologists and your lack of reading comprehension? Please, by all means show where I said 'all Muslims'. If you'd have bothered to read what I posted rather than just going straight into 'kneejerk reaction and face planting the keyboard mode' you'd that see I said "these Muslims". But hey, don't let your progressive liberal blinkers stop you from seeing exactly what you want to see. You and your ilk are half the fucking problem here. Jawohl mein fuerher. Play on words nobrot talk about fucking backtracking. You know what you meant. Are you the other half then???
|
|
|
Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 23, 2017 16:47:40 GMT
Tell that to the Germans They're deporting 2 people who hold Nigerian and Algerian citizenship respectively. They were born in and grew up in Germany, they are not German citizens however as they have foreign parents and that's how citizenship rules work in Germany (and most other european states as it happens..it's dependent upon your place of birth AND parents' nationalities as well). If neither parent is German, then you have to apply to become a German citizen (even if you were born and brought up there) but that rule only applies to people born after 01/01/2000. For people born before that date, you can't just apply to become a citizen based on having been born there and lived there all your life like you can over here. That isn't a dig at you by the way carpy, i appreciate that almost none of the British media sources that reported the story actually made any of that clear. They simply focused on the fact they were born there and then judged the rest of their story based around our citizenship laws whilst making no mention of the fact that the German citizenship laws are actually very different (but i suppose "Germany deport Nigerian citizen to Nigeria" probably wouldn't make as impressive a headline). So born in Germany, 27 years old, not convicted of a crime or even charged with a crime and being deported back to Algeria the country of birth of his parents? Sounds great. Where do we sign up to that?
|
|
|
Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 23, 2017 17:01:37 GMT
If the BBC version is true, then the media certainly aren't helping matters by using phrases like "Was already known to the Police" (like many were saying last night) unless they stipulate the reasons they were already known to the Police was absolutely nothing at all to do with terrorism. Using phrases like that does nothing but completely unnecessarily feed antagonism and a lack of confidence in our security forces which is completely unwarranted in this case if the info in their link is correct. If he already known due to terrorist related intelligence then fine, we can all say pre-emptive measures may be necessary...if he's already known for simple offences like GBH and possession of a threatening weapon then there's little that can be done as you can't keep up surveillance on / threaten to deport the hundreds of thousands of people around the UK who have been done for those kinds of offences in the past. The media nowadays aren't just reporting on the divide this terror is causing, they're actively fuelling it simply because it generates such "good copy" for their rags on a daily basis. In her speech this morning May said MI5 had investigated him some years ago regarding violent extremism.
|
|
|
Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 23, 2017 17:04:59 GMT
They're deporting 2 people who hold Nigerian and Algerian citizenship respectively. They were born in and grew up in Germany, they are not German citizens however as they have foreign parents and that's how citizenship rules work in Germany (and most other european states as it happens..it's dependent upon your place of birth AND parents' nationalities as well). If neither parent is German, then you have to apply to become a German citizen (even if you were born and brought up there) but that rule only applies to people born after 01/01/2000. For people born before that date, you can't just apply to become a citizen based on having been born there and lived there all your life like you can over here. That isn't a dig at you by the way carpy, i appreciate that almost none of the British media sources that reported the story actually made any of that clear. They simply focused on the fact they were born there and then judged the rest of their story based around our citizenship laws whilst making no mention of the fact that the German citizenship laws are actually very different (but i suppose "Germany deport Nigerian citizen to Nigeria" probably wouldn't make as impressive a headline). So born in Germany, 27 years old, not convicted of a crime or even charged with a crime and being deported back to Algeria the country of birth of his parents? Sounds great. Where do we sign up to that? that's not what i was talking about. The poster that carpy quoted said you can't deport someone to a country they're not a citizen of, carpy made his reply so i was merely clearing up the fact that he actually IS a citizen of the country he was being sent to. Nothing more than that i.e. facts of what citizenship means in Germany. You don't always have to try to drag people into arguments, you know that don't you?
|
|
|
Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Mar 23, 2017 17:30:16 GMT
52 years old and born in Kent. Even more incomprehensible than before to even try and fathom out why he did what he did.
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2017 17:31:58 GMT
His solicitor has just said he is still in jail so that's wrong. Fake news as usual London attack: Police name Westminster attacker www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39372154A muslim convert always seems to be the converts who follow this route. More concerning Guido Fawkes are reporting he was only 3 unlocked doors away from the House of Commons and the only reason he was shot was due to the vote taking place meaning Michael Fallon was there and so therefore was his armed protection that shot him otherwise there would have been no armed police there.
|
|